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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1140 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:17pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:41am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:37am:
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Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:16am:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:13am:
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Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 8:23am:
What is a woman?

"What is it like to be a woman?" is a better question. Why?

Women's experience of being women is different to a man's experience of perceiving women as they are and then imagining himself what it would be like for him if he were a woman.

The former experience is authentic, organic and immediate while the latter is esentially and always inauthentic, derivative, full of misconstrued and misunderstood 'as ifs", of male perceptions of what it is like to be woman.




Says the man adamant about what a woman is.

Oh. The irony.

Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.


I can see you didnt understand any of it.

Do you think your idea of what it is like to be a man is the same as a man's idea of what it is like to be a man, given the obvious difference between a woman's perception and a man's.

Don't tell me you do not see the obvious.



And clearly you have just demonstrated that you have no idea at all what Trans even is.

Rail on in your ignorance, old man. For all of it's futility.



Do you think your idea of what it is like to be a man is the same as a man's idea of what it is like to be a man, given the obvious difference between a woman's perception and a man's?




I think my idea of what it's like to be a man is as nebulous as yours.

For example, i'm very empathetic to my male friends, my son and my husband, my father and uncles. None of which are anything like you. So i think i've a better idea of what being a man of worth is than you.

Does that count?


So trans women are men, not real women like you? Or are they real women like you and your mum? Would your son, husband etc regard them as real women like they regard you and your mum, cock no object?


Really??







What diseased, decaying matter do you use for a mind?

How did you get that from what i said?

Something seriously happened to you.

Yeah - I haven't lost my mind to absurd paradoxes, that's what happened, or rather didn't happen to me.



You say that your idea and my idea -  and your son's and husband's -  of what is a man and what is a woman  are nebulous - but trans women are real women like you and your mum because trans women's idea of what is a woman is NOT nebulous.  THEIR idea of what a woman is must be accepted as indisputable and real while ours must be treated as nebulous.

You problematise the normal (call it nebulous) in order to normalise the problematic (trans women are just like real women).

But you do not see that your insistence that transwomen are real women simply grants them a place among those with undefined, nebulous status (women) but which, nevertheless, you insist on being NOT nebulous but real, but only for transwomen. For all other - you, me, your son, husband - it is all nebulous, hazy, indeterminable etc. Only transwomen are on solid ground when it comes to knowing what a woman is (themselves), everyone else is at a loss in the face of this latest great mystery.i
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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1141 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:18pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:02pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:00pm:
**laughs**  I might mention you every couple of days or so as a prime source of Lefty style 'debating'.... utter nonsense, of course... any debating is all in your mind...

The only reason posts are about Lefty's kind is that he constantly posts about those who respond and attacks them ... got that?

Just shooting him down when he comes in, is not the same as getting after him... if he'd shut up for five minutes nobody would bother...

Now then - I see the trannies are not going to compete with women in swimming .. o, well ... them's the breaks based on gender differences....

Like playing chess with two pigeons all at once....


Debates are all in my mind because no one ever debates me.  LOL!!!!

Again, the decision to stop trans women swimming will be reversed.  Society is overall getting better but sometimes the vocal minority win, before ultimately losing

How often have you watched Womens swimming? That's not why you care, is it?


The vocal minority will be the ones attempting to overturn that decision - as usual you have it backwards.  The Silenced Majority do not believe that men competing as women directly with women is kosher...

Put it to a popular vote.......

I don't watch women's swimming - not that keen on watching Olympics etc...

What IS your problem, child?  What exactly is it you are trying to insinuate with your usual style of 'debating'?  Do you one single proven fact anywhere on the horizon?
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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1142 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:18pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:03pm:
Let me correct this for you....


To add, they transition without surgery because it's only all about genitals to people like you
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Reply #1143 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:19pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:17pm:
You say that your idea and my idea -  and your son's and husband's -  of what is a man and what is a woman  are nebulous - but trans women are real women like you and your mum because trans women's idea of what is a woman is NOT nebulous.  THEIR idea of what a woman is must be accepted as indisputable and real while ours must be treated as nebulous.

You problematise the normal (call it nebulous) in order to normalise the problematic (trans women are just like real women).

But you do not see that your insistence that transwomen are real women simply grants them a place among those with undefined, nebulous status (women) but which, nevertheless, you insist on being NOT nebulous but real, but only for transwomen. For all other - you, me, your son, husband - it is all nebulous, hazy, indeterminable etc. Only transwomen are on solid ground when it comes to knowing what a woman is (themselves), everyone else is at a loss in the face of this latest great mystery.


The difference is you want to DEFINE what a woman is, and we just accept that people who say they are women, are women.
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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1144 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:19pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:10pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:03pm:
Gender dsyphoria is still not being trans, they are still different. 
that's the theory, anyway
I've posted this at least 50 times and no right wing maggot
person
has ever responded to it. 
nothing to respond to - it's all theory.


Most trans people don't have gender surgery. 
then how are they trans if they are not transitioning to what they imagine themselves to be?
Another fact
verbal twist - not a fact - a fact is proven
I keep reminding you of

"You cannot transition naturally because it is essentially and fundamentally unnatural. " 
simple reality


this is the core of your deep sexual insecurity.  Keep it to yourself
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It's the theory of experts. Gender dysphoria is in DSM5 and is defined.  Being trans is emphatically not in DSM5.

people are naturally born trans.  Science confirms this

Be careful, you might end up debating me....



Theory is theory - like so many such things these days - only the fools consider it gospel for their own ends.

I always debate you and leave you burning on the ground.... just like here...
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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1145 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:20pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:18pm:
The vocal minority will be the ones attempting to overturn that decision - as usual you have it backwards.  The Silenced Majority do not believe that men competing as women directly with women is kosher...

Put it to a popular vote.......

I don't watch women's swimming - not that keen on watching Olympics etc...

What IS your problem, child?  What exactly is it you are trying to insinuate with your usual style of 'debating'?  Do you one single proven fact anywhere on the horizon?


The majority, including pretty much all women's sports club, do not want to ban trans women.  Read something before you speak, or assume the consensus in the nursing home represents society

So if you don't watch it, why do you care?

Yes, I have presented several facts on this thread.  For example, gender dysphoria is NOT being trans
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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1146 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:21pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:57am:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:48am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:46am:
cornered - so reverting to true form again. 

You and Lefty are so similar..... when in doubt, attack the other person.... when cornered, strike out and hope to score a hit....

If we could just make Monty move faster from the north - we could totally surround and destroy both the Lefty-SS and mothra-SS divisions in one hit!



It's funny because you are doing what you accuse others of.  When I ask a simple clear question, that's EXACTLY what you do in response.  Run and insult.


Liar...... you are so deluded....


actually, he's not lying. Roll Eyes
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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1147 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:22pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:21pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:57am:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:48am:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:46am:
cornered - so reverting to true form again. 

You and Lefty are so similar..... when in doubt, attack the other person.... when cornered, strike out and hope to score a hit....

If we could just make Monty move faster from the north - we could totally surround and destroy both the Lefty-SS and mothra-SS divisions in one hit!



It's funny because you are doing what you accuse others of.  When I ask a simple clear question, that's EXACTLY what you do in response.  Run and insult.


Liar...... you are so deluded....


actually, he's not lying. Roll Eyes


Indeed. He's spot on.
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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1148 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:23pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:18pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:03pm:
Let me correct this for you....


To add, they transition without surgery because it's only all about genitals to people like you



So they want to be a half-man or a half-woman but to whine when somebody says "you may compete as a half-woman or half-man then?".  They're so dedicated to their cause that they don't want to go the whole way?  They're a woman but they don't want to be?

Sounds more like BPD to me...
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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1149 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:24pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:17pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:41am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:37am:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:25am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:16am:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:13am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 9:36am:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 8:50am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 8:23am:
What is a woman?

"What is it like to be a woman?" is a better question. Why?

Women's experience of being women is different to a man's experience of perceiving women as they are and then imagining himself what it would be like for him if he were a woman.

The former experience is authentic, organic and immediate while the latter is esentially and always inauthentic, derivative, full of misconstrued and misunderstood 'as ifs", of male perceptions of what it is like to be woman.




Says the man adamant about what a woman is.

Oh. The irony.

Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.


I can see you didnt understand any of it.

Do you think your idea of what it is like to be a man is the same as a man's idea of what it is like to be a man, given the obvious difference between a woman's perception and a man's.

Don't tell me you do not see the obvious.



And clearly you have just demonstrated that you have no idea at all what Trans even is.

Rail on in your ignorance, old man. For all of it's futility.



Do you think your idea of what it is like to be a man is the same as a man's idea of what it is like to be a man, given the obvious difference between a woman's perception and a man's?




I think my idea of what it's like to be a man is as nebulous as yours.

For example, i'm very empathetic to my male friends, my son and my husband, my father and uncles. None of which are anything like you. So i think i've a better idea of what being a man of worth is than you.

Does that count?


So trans women are men, not real women like you? Or are they real women like you and your mum? Would your son, husband etc regard them as real women like they regard you and your mum, cock no object?


Really??







What diseased, decaying matter do you use for a mind?

How did you get that from what i said?

Something seriously happened to you.

Yeah - I haven't lost my mind to absurd paradoxes, that's what happened, or rather didn't happen to me.



You say that your idea and my idea -  and your son's and husband's -  of what is a man and what is a woman  are nebulous - but trans women are real women like you and your mum because trans women's idea of what is a woman is NOT nebulous.  THEIR idea of what a woman is must be accepted as indisputable and real while ours must be treated as nebulous.

You problematise the normal (call it nebulous) in order to normalise the problematic (trans women are just like real women).

But you do not see that your insistence that transwomen are real women simply grants them a place among those with undefined, nebulous status (women) but which, nevertheless, you insist on being NOT nebulous but real, but only for transwomen. For all other - you, me, your son, husband - it is all nebulous, hazy, indeterminable etc. Only transwomen are on solid ground when it comes to knowing what a woman is (themselves), everyone else is at a loss in the face of this latest great mystery.i



This is full blown paranoia.

Frank, do you have something you wish to share with us? I'd like to say this is a safe place but really, it's not.
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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #1150 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:25pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:41am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:37am:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:25am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:16am:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 11:13am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 9:36am:
mothra wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 8:50am:
Frank wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 8:23am:
What is a woman?

"What is it like to be a woman?" is a better question. Why?

Women's experience of being women is different to a man's experience of perceiving women as they are and then imagining himself what it would be like for him if he were a woman.

The former experience is authentic, organic and immediate while the latter is esentially and always inauthentic, derivative, full of misconstrued and misunderstood 'as ifs", of male perceptions of what it is like to be woman.




Says the man adamant about what a woman is.

Oh. The irony.

Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.


I can see you didnt understand any of it.

Do you think your idea of what it is like to be a man is the same as a man's idea of what it is like to be a man, given the obvious difference between a woman's perception and a man's.

Don't tell me you do not see the obvious.



And clearly you have just demonstrated that you have no idea at all what Trans even is.

Rail on in your ignorance, old man. For all of it's futility.



Do you think your idea of what it is like to be a man is the same as a man's idea of what it is like to be a man, given the obvious difference between a woman's perception and a man's?




I think my idea of what it's like to be a man is as nebulous as yours.

For example, i'm very empathetic to my male friends, my son and my husband, my father and uncles. None of which are anything like you. So i think i've a better idea of what being a man of worth is than you.

Does that count?


So trans women are men, not real women like you? Or are they real women like you and your mum? Would your son, husband etc regard them as real women like they regard you and your mum, cock no object?


Really??







What diseased, decaying matter do you use for a mind?

How did you get that from what i said?

Something seriously happened to you.

Yeah - I haven't lost my mind to absurd paradoxes, that's what happened, or rather didn't happen to me.



You say that your idea and my idea -  and your son's and husband's -  of what is a man and what is a woman  are nebulous - but trans women are real women like you and your mum because trans women's idea of what is a woman is NOT nebulous.  THEIR idea of what a woman is must be accepted as indisputable and real while ours must be treated as nebulous.

You problematise the normal (call it nebulous) in order to normalise the problematic (trans women are just like real women).

But you do not see that your insistence that transwomen are real women simply grants them a place among those with undefined, nebulous status (women) but which, nevertheless, you insist on being NOT nebulous but real, but only for transwomen. For all other - you, me, your son, husband - it is all nebulous, hazy, indeterminable etc. Only transwomen are on solid ground when it comes to knowing what a woman is (themselves), everyone else is at a loss in the face of this latest great mystery.


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Reply #1151 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:25pm
 



Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:23pm:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:18pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:03pm:
Let me correct this for you....


To add, they transition without surgery because it's only all about genitals to people like you



So they want to be a half-man or a half-woman but to whine when somebody says "you may compete as a half-woman or half-man then?".  They're so dedicated to their cause that they don't want to go the whole way?  They're a woman but they don't want to be?

Sounds more like BPD to me...




That's because you don't know what you're talking about.
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Reply #1152 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:26pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:23pm:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:18pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:03pm:
Let me correct this for you....


To add, they transition without surgery because it's only all about genitals to people like you



So they want to be a half-man or a half-woman but to whine when somebody says "you may compete as a half-woman or half-man then?".  They're so dedicated to their cause that they don't want to go the whole way?  They're a woman but they don't want to be?

Sounds more like BPD to me...


As usual, the right are obsessed with cock....
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Reply #1153 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:27pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:19pm:
Theory is theory - like so many such things these days - only the fools consider it gospel for their own ends.

I always debate you and leave you burning on the ground.... just like here...


So you're running away again? The theories of psychologists are irrelevant to your beliefs on what mental illness is?
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Reply #1154 - Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:28pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:20pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Jun 22nd, 2022 at 12:18pm:
The vocal minority will be the ones attempting to overturn that decision - as usual you have it backwards.  The Silenced Majority do not believe that men competing as women directly with women is kosher...

Put it to a popular vote.......

I don't watch women's swimming - not that keen on watching Olympics etc...

What IS your problem, child?  What exactly is it you are trying to insinuate with your usual style of 'debating'?  Do you one single proven fact anywhere on the horizon?


The majority, including pretty much all women's sports club, do not want to ban trans women.  Read something before you speak, or assume the consensus in the nursing home represents society

So if you don't watch it, why do you care?

Yes, I have presented several facts on this thread.  For example, gender dysphoria is NOT being trans



Women's sports are not intended for competition with men.  Simple, eh?

Bit quick on the amazing assumption that 'pretty much all women's sports clubs' don't agree with that decision?

How could you possibly know that?

So one can be trans in mind only, or to any degree chosen, but rarely fully?

Bizarre.... what do you imagine the word 'transitioning' means?  It means a change from one thing to another - not some whistle stop railway line of endless options.  Does a caterpillar get to chose its way point on transitioning?

ONLY in the minds of very few humans can such a deviation be in existence.

The supporters of this nonsense are merely twisting words to suit and trying to alter the meaning of words for their own ends, a trick they learned from the feminists years ago with all their gross distortions of language and reality.
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