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Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end?
Reply #660 - Apr 28^th, 2022 at 11:04pm

Well, the British government has said it: 'Russia must be expelled from all of the Ukraine'.

Even one of the CCP's banks has pulled out of Russia; looks like it backed the wrong horse - again.

India is also looking for a face-saving way back to the right side.

With the UN Secretary-General forced into a humbling position of having to face-off with Putin at the far end of Putin's big table, before viewing for himself the trail of scorched earth and genocide left by Putin in Ukraine. Humiliating much, Guterres?

Strange that, although Putin attempted to undermine the US multiple times over the last 10+ years, attacked Russia's near-neighbours during the same time-period, and climbed into bed with the CCP, the west appeased him.

Appeasement, like a lingering bad marriage, the west just can't quit you.

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Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end?
Reply #661 - Apr 28^th, 2022 at 11:45pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 27^th, 2022 at 11:43am:

Enquiring mind wrote on Apr 27^th, 2022 at 1:12am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 26^th, 2022 at 2:28pm:

From an Athos link:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/19/antonio-guterres-urged-to-take-lea...

"The former staff members, including many former UN undersecretaries, urged Guterrez to raise his profile and be prepared to take personal risks to secure peace, saying the UN is facing an existential threat due to the invasion of Ukraine by one of the five permanent members of the security council.

“What we and the broader public want to see, though, is a political UN presence and public engagement, in addition to the UN’s notable humanitarian response to the Ukraine crisis,” the authors said.

What the UN officials don't recognize is that the problem for the UN is its acceptance of the absurd/insane doctrine of 'legal' war.

If the UN can't reform itself, to outlaw war by (inter alia) getting rid of the UNSC veto, then what "personal risks" can Gutterez take, to end the war in Ukraine?

It's time we all learnt to accept the rulings of an ICJ to adjudicate in territorial disputes, since the days of empire building are now over: "the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible" (UN Charter).

That leaves the issue of competing ideologies. What's wrong with a *friendly* competition between one -party, and two (multi) -party states, with rules of the competition adjudicated by said ICJ?

Instead of the current Western paranoia re 'autocracy'.

Why can't you accept that the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible?

You could do this today. You won't.

Now why is that?

Oh ye of little self-awareness and even less insight...

A statement that, under international law "the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible", requires the institutional machinery to prevent such illegal acquisition. It's called rule of law.

Regardless of what you think (with no insight at all), or what I think..... even though unlike you I accept the need for international law, to ensure that "the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible".

You obviously have Taiwan in mind.

Actually in the case of China, 'One Country-Two Systems' is an accepted principle at the UN; and the CCP would have no problem with a separate political system in China as at present, so long as China's sovereignty over the island is accepted in international law, in circumstances where war is illegal.

That's what I keep asking you about, and you tap dance around the ice skating rink... by what means do you propose to actually impose this rule of law as designed by the United Nations with or without consent of all nations?

Who's going to sign up first? Russia? It is the right thing to do, after all... surely Putin wouldn't want to take any territory by force...... it's against the spirit of the Revolution....

Let's go ask him ......... ah - yes - he's preventing Ukraine from taking its own territory by force!! Of course - how silly of me.......................

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Grappler Racist Filth Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90881 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #662 - Apr 28^th, 2022 at 11:48pm ... and meanwhile Putin the Abysmally Stupid continues to kick the NATO and West Dragons while they are just waking ... NEVER kick a dragon after it's just been woken from hibernation by loud noises, before it's at least had one cup of good coffee..... Dictators never learn.................
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Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end?
Reply #663 - Apr 29^th, 2022 at 12:55pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2022 at 11:04pm:

Well, the British government has said it: 'Russia must be expelled from all of the Ukraine'.

Even one of the CCP's banks has pulled out of Russia; looks like it backed the wrong horse - again.

India is also looking for a face-saving way back to the right side.

With the UN Secretary-General forced into a humbling position of having to face-off with Putin at the far end of Putin's big table, before viewing for himself the trail of scorched earth and genocide left by Putin in Ukraine. Humiliating much, Guterres?

Strange that, although Putin attempted to undermine the US multiple times over the last 10+ years, attacked Russia's near-neighbours during the same time-period, and climbed into bed with the CCP, the west appeased him.

Appeasement, like a lingering bad marriage, the west just can't quit you.

And now it really starts.

With the US set to inject USD33 billion into Ukraine, Putin's war has not only pushed Sweden and Finland towards NATO, reversed German reluctance to involve itself in major conflicts, united Europe in ways unseen since the Cold War, it has effectively handed over Ukraine to Europe and NATO.

Now, whether Ukraine joins NATO or not is a moot point; it will already have the most battle-hardened armed services in Europe, and will soon have the most financed armed services in Europe.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-requests-additional-33-billion-in-ukrai...

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Reply #664 - Apr 29^th, 2022 at 12:58pm

Finnish Center for Energy and Clean Air Research (CREA) noticed an interesting thing when data on sales of fossil fuels in Russia became available.
Thus, their analysis showed the following:

Russia has received 63 billion euros from the sale of gas, oil and coal since February 24, ie since the beginning of the war in Ukraine.
- The EU paid 44 billion euros.
- At the same time, the EU bought fossil fuels worth 140 billion euros from Russia last year, or an average of 12 billion euros a month.
- At the same time, the volume of exports fell by 30 percent. But the huge rise in fuel prices has more than offset these losses.
That is, while Europe publicly insults the Kremlin,
Russia got even more money from it for less fuel.

Conclusion is that Russia got even more money from it for less fuel.

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Reply #666 - Apr 29^th, 2022 at 7:21pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2022 at 11:04pm:

Well, the British government has said it: 'Russia must be expelled from all of the Ukraine'.

Even one of the CCP's banks has pulled out of Russia; looks like it backed the wrong horse - again.

India is also looking for a face-saving way back to the right side.

With the UN Secretary-General forced into a humbling position of having to face-off with Putin at the far end of Putin's big table, before viewing for himself the trail of scorched earth and genocide left by Putin in Ukraine. Humiliating much, Guterres?

Strange that, although Putin attempted to undermine the US multiple times over the last 10+ years, attacked Russia's near-neighbours during the same time-period, and climbed into bed with the CCP, the west appeased him.

Appeasement, like a lingering bad marriage, the west just can't quit you.

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In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end?
Reply #667 - Apr 29^th, 2022 at 7:22pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 29^th, 2022 at 12:55pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2022 at 11:04pm:

Well, the British government has said it: 'Russia must be expelled from all of the Ukraine'.

Even one of the CCP's banks has pulled out of Russia; looks like it backed the wrong horse - again.

India is also looking for a face-saving way back to the right side.

With the UN Secretary-General forced into a humbling position of having to face-off with Putin at the far end of Putin's big table, before viewing for himself the trail of scorched earth and genocide left by Putin in Ukraine. Humiliating much, Guterres?

Strange that, although Putin attempted to undermine the US multiple times over the last 10+ years, attacked Russia's near-neighbours during the same time-period, and climbed into bed with the CCP, the west appeased him.

Appeasement, like a lingering bad marriage, the west just can't quit you.

And now it really starts.

With the US set to inject USD33 billion into Ukraine, Putin's war has not only pushed Sweden and Finland towards NATO, reversed German reluctance to involve itself in major conflicts, united Europe in ways unseen since the Cold War, it has effectively handed over Ukraine to Europe and NATO.

Now, whether Ukraine joins NATO or not is a moot point; it will already have the most battle-hardened armed services in Europe, and will soon have the most financed armed services in Europe.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-requests-additional-33-billion-in-ukrai...

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17122 Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #673 - Apr 29^th, 2022 at 7:58pm And so, to trump even Stalin, Putin has struck Kiev while the UN Secretary General is in the city. Let there be no mistake, Putin must be ended.
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