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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17122 Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #630 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 12:18pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 26^th, 2022 at 12:07pm: Still a lot of Soviet-era armament going into Ukraine—at least that can be put into action immediately. The chief reason being that the Ukrainian armed services are trained in using Soviet-era weapons. That is changing.
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Reply #631 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 12:34pm

One of Putin's worst miscalculations, apart from the assumption of the tank's supremacy on the battlefield, is that he handed the Allies a golden opportunity to test all kinds of weaponry under real circumstances. He thought that was going to be his little bonus. If Finland joins NATO, he's dumber than he looks right now.

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Reply #632 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 12:49pm

issuevoter wrote on Apr 26^th, 2022 at 12:34pm:

One of Putin's worst miscalculations, apart from the assumption of the tank's supremacy on the battlefield, is that he handed the Allies a golden opportunity to test all kinds of weaponry under real circumstances. He thought that was going to be his little bonus. If Finland joins NATO, he's dumber than he looks right now.

Greater still is his miscalculation that Ukrainians could stare down the entire Russian armed services.

Nothing is more attractive to military blocs than the capacity for a people to successfully defend themselves and maintain high morale. It's almost a guarantee of support.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #633 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 1:07pm .
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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6421 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #634 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 1:17pm
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Reply #635 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 1:26pm

issuevoter wrote on Apr 26^th, 2022 at 12:34pm:

One of Putin's worst miscalculations, apart from the assumption of the tank's supremacy on the battlefield, is that he handed the Allies a golden opportunity to test all kinds of weaponry under real circumstances. He thought that was going to be his little bonus. If Finland joins NATO, he's dumber than he looks right now.

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Reply #636 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 1:28pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 26^th, 2022 at 12:49pm:

issuevoter wrote on Apr 26^th, 2022 at 12:34pm:

One of Putin's worst miscalculations, apart from the assumption of the tank's supremacy on the battlefield, is that he handed the Allies a golden opportunity to test all kinds of weaponry under real circumstances. He thought that was going to be his little bonus. If Finland joins NATO, he's dumber than he looks right now.

Greater still is his miscalculation that Ukrainians could stare down the entire Russian armed services.

Nothing is more attractive to military blocs than the capacity for a people to successfully defend themselves and maintain high morale. It's almost a guarantee of support.

This is even more stupid.

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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6421 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #637 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 1:28pm Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 26^th, 2022 at 1:07pm: . ??????????????????????????????????????????????
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #638 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 1:41pm “.” secret business—it is a microdot with info about the russo-fascists.
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Reply #639 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 1:52pm

THE END OF THE UKRAINIAN ARMY IS NEARING

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/24/the-awful-truth-is-dawning-putin-m...

Dozens of military facilities destroyed yesterday, hundreds of AZOV Nazis killed.

High-precision long-range weapons on the northern outskirts of the city of Kremenchug destroyed the fuel production plants of one oil refinery, as well as the warehouses of oil derivatives for providing military equipment to a group of Ukrainian soldiers.
During the night, high-precision air-launched missiles hit six Ukrainian military facilities.
Including three strongholds and places of concentration of manpower and military equipment, as well as three ammunition depots in the Barvenkovo and Novaya Dmitrovka districts of the Kharkiv region.
The operational-tactical and military aviation of the Russian Air and Space Forces hit 56 military facilities in Ukraine.
Among them: two command posts, 53 areas of human concentration and military equipment of the enemy, as well as a fuel depot in the area of Novo Naselje Dmitrovka.
Up to 160 people were destroyed, as well as 23 armored vehicles, artillery and vehicles.
During the night, rocket troops fired 19 shots. Destroyed: four nationalist command posts, including the 81st Separate Air Assault Brigade and the 110th Territorial Defense Brigade, and three ammunition depots. 21 areas of human concentration and Ukrainian military equipment were affected.

More than 240 people were destroyed, as well as 28 armored vehicles, artillery and vehicles.
Artillery units performed 967 fire tasks for yesterday. Affected: 33 command posts, 929 strongholds, areas for the accumulation of manpower and military equipment, as well as five warehouses for missile and artillery weapons and ammunition.

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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6421 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #640 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 1:58pm "If Russia had waged a full-scale war, it would have been over long ago. Russian soldiers do not kill civilians but release them, and sometimes they do so at the cost of their own lives. Russian soldiers are doing their best to save civilian lives".
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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6421 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #641 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 2:08pm Russia says that within a few days, all remaining railways and airports connecting Western Ukraine with the East will be destroyed by rocket attacks. This would effectively interrupt further deliveries of NATO: weapons, equipment, ammunition, etc.
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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6421 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #642 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 2:14pm In a move of incredible hypocrisy, the United States and Australia say the Solomon Islands, 3,500 km away, are the red line for China building the base. At the same time, they claim that the United States has the right to build bases in Ukraine on the Russian border.
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Reply #644 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 2:28pm

From an Athos link:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/19/antonio-guterres-urged-to-take-lea...

"The former staff members, including many former UN undersecretaries, urged Guterrez to raise his profile and be prepared to take personal risks to secure peace, saying the UN is facing an existential threat due to the invasion of Ukraine by one of the five permanent members of the security council.

“What we and the broader public want to see, though, is a political UN presence and public engagement, in addition to the UN’s notable humanitarian response to the Ukraine crisis,” the authors said.

What the UN officials don't recognize is that the problem for the UN is its acceptance of the absurd/insane doctrine of 'legal' war.

If the UN can't reform itself, to outlaw war by (inter alia) getting rid of the UNSC veto, then what "personal risks" can Gutterez take, to end the war in Ukraine?

It's time we all learnt to accept the rulings of an ICJ to adjudicate in territorial disputes, since the days of empire building are now over: "the acquisition of territory by force is inadmissible" (UN Charter).

That leaves the issue of competing ideologies. What's wrong with a *friendly* competition between one -party, and two (multi) -party states, with rules of the competition adjudicated by said ICJ?

Instead of the current Western paranoia re 'autocracy'.

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