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Reply #375 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 12:28pm  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 6:52pm:
I've seen the videos of what China is really like. Outside the tourist showcase areas, China is a dump.


The rate of change is the significant factor. Meanwhile don't look at the notorious  'rust belts' in the First World (speaking of "dumps"...)   

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You'd be familiar with Serpentza and Laowhy86. All wumao and little pinks are, as is the CCP.


And you'd be familiar with the videos from that British expat and his Chinese wife -  awesome (I love the comparison  of Chinese HS rail with US HS rail.....oops, the US doesn't have HS rail...priceless....

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'Lifting standards' such that the Chinese don't have to eat each other's children to survive is, let's say, a low bar.


It's the trend that is important; while China has created Shenzhen, Detroit turned into a crime-infested urban waste land.   

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As is the video of rural Chinese children catching rats to eat.


There's videos and videos, as noted above.


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Reply #376 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 12:31pm  
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Reply #377 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 12:38pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 12:28pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 5th, 2022 at 6:52pm:
I've seen the videos of what China is really like. Outside the tourist showcase areas, China is a dump.


The rate of change is the significant factor. Meanwhile don't look at the notorious  'rust belts' in the First World (speaking of "dumps"...)   

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You'd be familiar with Serpentza and Laowhy86. All wumao and little pinks are, as is the CCP.


And you'd be familiar with the videos from that British expat and his Chinese wife -  awesome (I love the comparison  of Chinese HS rail with US HS rail.....oops, the US doesn't have HS rail...priceless....

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'Lifting standards' such that the Chinese don't have to eat each other's children to survive is, let's say, a low bar.


It's the trend that is important; while China has created Schenzen, Detroit turned into a crime-infested urban waste land.   

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As is the video of rural Chinese children catching rats to eat.


There's videos and videos, as noted above.



The rate of change would be surprising if it were less, given the baseline. Also, turning a blind eye to the mess that China was/is, in the hopes that appeasement would yield positive results, was the world trend, until 2020.

The Chinese can, unfortunately, tolerate psychopathic emperors and have done for centuries. The current ruling mob are no different to their historical predecessors.

For those who have travelled past the eyes of the security bureau and seen the real China, it's a wasteland and a dump riddled with extreme poverty.
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Reply #378 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 12:58pm  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 12:38pm:
The rate of change would be surprising if it were less, given the baseline.


Actually the world considers the achievement in China to be  an economic miracle.


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Also, turning a blind eye to the mess that China was/is, in the hopes that appeasement would yield positive results, was the world trend, until 2020.
 

No, increasing paranoia about loss of evil US global hegemony, is the trend in the West.  

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The Chinese can, unfortunately, tolerate psychopathic emperors and have done for centuries. The current ruling mob are no different to their historical predecessors.


Except our global economy is rapidly reaching a major turning point for the first time in history, 
with free markets rapidly reaching their use-by date.

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For those who have travelled past the eyes of the security bureau and seen the real China, it's a wasteland and a dump riddled with extreme poverty.


You have never traveled to China.....so beware of those
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Reply #379 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 1:07pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 12:58pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 12:38pm:
The rate of change would be surprising if it were less, given the baseline.


Actually the world considers the achievement in China to be  an economic miracle.


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Also, turning a blind eye to the mess that China was/is, in the hopes that appeasement would yield positive results, was the world trend, until 2020.
 

No, increasing paranoia about loss of evil US global hegemony, is the trend in the West.  

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The Chinese can, unfortunately, tolerate psychopathic emperors and have done for centuries. The current ruling mob are no different to their historical predecessors.


Except our global economy is rapidly reaching a major turning point for the first time in history, 
with free markets rapidly reaching their use-by date.

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For those who have travelled past the eyes of the security bureau and seen the real China, it's a wasteland and a dump riddled with extreme poverty.


You have never traveled to China.....so beware of those
partisan videos. 

Yes, we talked 'economic miracle' and played the game of calling it 'bad form' to point out that China is really a corrupt dump ruled by a murderous regime that enslaves its own people.

2020 disabused us of our cultivated naivety; something that even historians had been warning us about for years.
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Reply #380 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 1:47pm  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 1:07pm:
Yes, we talked 'economic miracle' and played the game of calling it 'bad form' to point out that China is really a corrupt dump ruled by a murderous regime that enslaves its own people.


No you - being a particularly deluded "freedom" ideology sufferer -  "played that game" (or rather, that is what you claim the rest of the world did...). The rest of world acknowledges the miracle.   

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2020 disabused us of our cultivated naivety; something that even historians had been warning us about for years


2020? How so?

Don't bother repeating  your former nonsense about the CCP hiding what happened to Dr Li.... I reduced you to bleating about the CCP not paying compensation, because the medal awarded to Li by the CCP was insufficient, in your opinion.   
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Reply #381 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 2:14pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 1:07pm:
Yes, we talked 'economic miracle' and played the game of calling it 'bad form' to point out that China is really a corrupt dump ruled by a murderous regime that enslaves its own people.


No you - being a particularly deluded "freedom" ideology sufferer -  "played that game" (or rather, that is what you claim the rest of the world did...). The rest of world acknowledges the miracle.   

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2020 disabused us of our cultivated naivety; something that even historians had been warning us about for years


2020? How so?

Don't bother repeating  your former nonsense about the CCP hiding what happened to Dr Li.... I reduced you to bleating about the CCP not paying compensation, because the medal awarded to Li by the CCP was insufficient, in your opinion.   

No. The democratic 'rest of the world' all played that game. The Russians, no doubt, got the joke.

You know 2020 was a turning point. It's now OK to talk about the CCP as a murderous regime in a way that would not have happened before 2020.
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Reply #382 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 2:46pm  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 2:14pm:
No. The democratic 'rest of the world' all played that game. The Russians, no doubt, got the joke.


No economists are genuinely impressed, they have no need to "play a game".  As for Russia, it's economic performance since the GFC has been a disaster.

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You know 2020 was a turning point. It's now OK to talk about the CCP as a murderous regime in a way that would not have happened before 2020.


You're kidding. Paranoid spooks like the ASPI have been touting the 'evils' of the CCP for a decade.

And now the 'China threat' theory is just an expansion of that paranoia based on your delusional "freedom"/"sovereign individual rights"  ideology, as China overtakes the US economy. 
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Reply #383 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 2:53pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 2:46pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 2:14pm:
No. The democratic 'rest of the world' all played that game. The Russians, no doubt, got the joke.


No economists are genuinely impressed, they have no need to "play a game".  As for Russia, it's economic performance since the GFC has been a disaster.

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You know 2020 was a turning point. It's now OK to talk about the CCP as a murderous regime in a way that would not have happened before 2020.


You're kidding. Paranoid spooks like the ASPI have been touting the 'evils' of the CCP for a decade.

And now the 'China threat' theory is just an expansion of that paranoia based on your delusional "freedom"/"sovereign individual rights"  ideology, as China overtakes the US economy. 

No. We all acknowledge now that the 'miracle' was due to slave labour.

Sure, there were some who always knew China was a scam (including many historians who pointed out that the CCP was just a continuation of the old Chinese imperial governments) but, prior to 2020, whenever the CCP were questioned about anything, there was always the CCP rant about 'racism' and 'hurting the feelings of the Chinese people'.

No point the CCP playing those cards any more; not since mid-2020.
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Reply #384 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 3:12pm  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 2:53pm:
No. We all acknowledge now that the 'miracle' was due to slave labour.


Necessary to lift output to increase wages, china is now middle income nation.

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Sure, there were some who always knew China was a scam (including many historians who pointed out that the CCP was just a continuation of the old Chinese imperial governments) but, prior to 2020, whenever the CCP were questioned about anything, there was always the CCP rant about 'racism' and 'hurting the feelings of the Chinese people'.


Yes all delusional "freedom" ideologues who hate Marxism.....without understanding Marxism was a reaction to their evil "survival of the fittest"/'free economic agent'  ideology.

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No point the CCP playing those cards any more; not since mid-2020.


True, China is just getting on with the job of lifting living standards for all its people.
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Reply #385 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 3:17pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 3:12pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 2:53pm:
No. We all acknowledge now that the 'miracle' was due to slave labour.


Necessary to lift output to increase wages, china is now middle income nation.

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Sure, there were some who always knew China was a scam (including many historians who pointed out that the CCP was just a continuation of the old Chinese imperial governments) but, prior to 2020, whenever the CCP were questioned about anything, there was always the CCP rant about 'racism' and 'hurting the feelings of the Chinese people'.


Yes all delusional "freedom" ideologues who hate Marxism.....without understanding Marxism was a reaction to their evil "survival of the fittest"/'free economic agent'  ideology.

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No point the CCP playing those cards any more; not since mid-2020.


True, China is just getting on with the job of lifting living standards for all its people.

'[Slavery] Necessary to lift output to increase wages' - Try that one in Alabama.

Hate Marxism? That would include the CCP.

The CCP is getting on with lifting the living standards of the CCP and all its associated gangsters.
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Reply #386 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 3:32pm  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 3:17pm:
'[Slavery] Necessary to lift output to increase wages' - Try that one in Alabama.


In fact the South claimed their economy would collapse without slavery; the difference being there was plenty of well paid work in Alabama (for non slaves)  at the time, unlike China in the 20th century. 

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Hate Marxism? That would include the CCP.


China now has a pragmatic approach to economic '-isms' but Marxism is alive and well in "common prosperity".   

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The CCP is getting on with lifting the living standards of the CCP and all its associated gangsters.


"common prosperity" refutes that. 

Meanwhile  inequality in the world's richest nation is threatening social stability.
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Reply #387 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 3:36pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 3:32pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 3:17pm:
'[Slavery] Necessary to lift output to increase wages' - Try that one in Alabama.


In fact the South claimed their economy would collapse without slavery; the difference being there was plenty of well paid work in Alabama (for non slaves)  at the time, unlike China in the 20th century. 

Funny how Mao and his CCP thugs never looked underfed.
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Reply #388 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 3:48pm  
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 3:32pm:
"common prosperity" refutes that. 

Who's he? Got his email address?
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Reply #389 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 4:24pm  
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6th, 2022 at 3:36pm:
Funny how Mao and his CCP thugs never looked underfed.


Ok so they were the sole well-paid citizens then, as opposed to the large non-slave population in 'rich' Alabama.   Got it?

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Not a 'he', but a Marxist principle.

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