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Reply #210 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 7:44am

My latest thoughts on the war:

Notice that even though the Yanks used Tomahawk cruise missiles
in the 1991 Gulf war - which was 31 years ago -
they didn't provide such missiles to Ukraine?
Those missiles were used to take out high value targets such as missile defence systems
and deep underground bunkers etc.

Therefore the Yanks want Ukraine to fight this war with one hand tied behind their back.
They are not willing to give even 31 year old technology to the Ukrainians to
defend their women and children.
How unfair is that?

At the same time Russia is using similar cruise missiles on the Ukrainians.

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Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end?
Reply #211 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 8:11am

Enquiring mind wrote on Mar 27^th, 2022 at 1:01am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 26^th, 2022 at 6:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 26^th, 2022 at 4:19pm:

Enquiring mind wrote on Mar 26^th, 2022 at 4:04pm:

One may from time to time care to dispense justice to a recalcitrant brother/sister being as it were so it goes so be it. Humble ones such as we are do so through the practice of forgiveness.

If said being should reap what he or she hath sown, this is no cause for speculation but merely an observance.

Forgiven.

Hell awaits those who don't obey the law of the prophets.

And now I know.

Forgiven, dear one, with so much love.

Listen to the wise listen to the wise listen to the wise
Listen to the wise listen to the wise man

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Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end?
Reply #212 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 8:42am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2022 at 7:44am:

My latest thoughts on the war:

Notice that even though the Yanks used Tomahawk cruise missiles
in the 1991 Gulf war - which was 31 years ago -
they didn't provide such missiles to Ukraine?
Those missiles were used to take out high value targets such as missile defence systems
and deep underground bunkers etc.

Therefore the Yanks want Ukraine to fight this war with one hand tied behind their back.
They are not willing to give even 31 year old technology to the Ukrainians to
defend their women and children.
How unfair is that?

At the same time Russia is using similar cruise missiles on the Ukrainians.

You're an idiot.

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Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end?
Reply #213 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 9:13am

NATO have been pointing more than guns at Russia for a while now.

When the Ukraine said they would joint NATO that was the last straw for Putin otherwise he would be completely surrounded by NATO.

But thats not the real reason all this has happened.

The real reason is the USA elite want to supply Europe with gas and having tried everything else to provoke Russia they invited the Ukraine to join NATO knowing fully well what Putins reaction would be.

So now they will probably get their way and once again the USA has placed all of Europe in their pen forcing them to buy billions of dollars worth of arms for NATO while still trying to get them to buy gas from the elite in the USA.

I'm not saying what Putin did is right but I can understand why he did it, and if the shoe was on the other foot, Russia surrounding the USA the 3rd world war would have already happened.

Its about gas and money and Biden is a ventriloquist dummy for the elite that run his country.

BTW something else to remmeber Putin has been in charge for about 20 years this is his first war.

And if Putin is a war criminal what does the make George W Bush......????

OR arent middle easterners people like the rest of us.

Where was the reporting of Iraq where millions of people died.

The propaganda the west has going in its media run by the elite is on par with a communist country.

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Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end?
Reply #214 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 9:51am

Ajax wrote on Mar 27^th, 2022 at 9:13am:

NATO have been pointing more than guns at Russia for a while now.

When the Ukraine said they would joint NATO that was the last straw for Putin otherwise he would be completely surrounded by NATO.

But thats not the real reason all this has happened.

The real reason is the USA elite want to supply Europe with gas and having tried everything else to provoke Russia they invited the Ukraine to join NATO knowing fully well what Putins reaction would be.

So now they will probably get their way and once again the USA has placed all of Europe in their pen forcing them to buy billions of dollars worth of arms for NATO while still trying to get them to buy gas from the elite in the USA.

I'm not saying what Putin did is right but I can understand why he did it, and if the shoe was on the other foot, Russia surrounding the USA the 3rd world war would have already happened.

Its about gas and money and Biden is a ventriloquist dummy for the elite that run his country.

BTW something else to remmeber Putin has been in charge for about 20 years this is his first war.

And if Putin is a war criminal what does the make George W Bush......????

OR arent middle easterners people like the rest of us.

Where was the reporting of Iraq where millions of people died.

The propaganda the west has going in its media run by the elite is on par with a communist country.

Ukraine is a poor country.
They can't afford missiles.
Either Biden should help them properly or not at all -
why the half measures?

Biden says -
"oh look - I'll help you a bit
but I know that 10s of 1000s of your people will die
and your cities will be turned into rubble by Russian butchers.
I could stop that from happening but your lives are
not important enough to me."

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #215 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:06am Ajax wrote on Mar 27^th, 2022 at 9:13am: BTW something else to remmeber Putin has been in charge for about 20 years this is his first war. Only if you ignore Georgia, Chechnia, Syria and Crimea
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Reply #216 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:11am

What a difference a month makes!

When the Russians pull out after an ignominious defeat, what happens next?

My guess is it will be a repeat of US focus on supporting Israel after the 1967 6-days war when the Israeli military proved itself more than capable of utterly defeating its enemies, in one of the most humiliating defeats in history.

The problem with the US and NATO entering the war early is that it would easily have been arguable that Ukraine was weak and the people were not united against Russia, but bullied by a NATO 'takeover'.

What the Ukrainians had to prove is that they have the steeled resolve to win at all costs; and they have proved that (something for Taiwan to read into).

And, now that Ukrainians have become the latest of Europe's heros, the EU, NATO and (particularly) the US are going to want Ukraine in the family of democracies.... Fast.

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Reply #217 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:18am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:11am:

What a difference a month makes!

When the Russians pull out after an ignominious defeat, what happens next?

My guess is it will be a repeat of US focus on supporting Israel after the 1967 6-days war when the Israeli military proved itself more than capable of utterly defeating its enemies, in one of the most humiliating defeats in history.

The problem with the US and NATO entering the war early is that it would easily have been arguable that Ukraine was weak and the people were not united against Russia, but bullied by a NATO 'takeover'.

What the Ukrainians had to prove is that they have the steeled resolve to win at all costs; and they have proved that (something for Taiwan to read into).

And, now that Ukrainians have become the latest of Europe's heros, the EU, NATO and (particularly) the US are going to want Ukraine in the family of democracies.... Fast.

The USA has the Tomahawk cruise missile.
The French have the MdCN and SCALP cruise missile.
The Germans have the Taurus KEPD 350 cruise missile.

All of them are game changers and could have wiped
out the Russian attacks in 2 hours.
All 3 countries could have set them up inside Ukraine and trained the Ukrainians to use them.
They didn't - they allowed the Russians to butcher the people of Ukraine
and turn their cities into rubble.

They are all bastards who sit back and watch the carnage and do nothing.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #218 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:20am Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:18am: All of them are game changers and could have wiped out the Russian attacks in 2 hours. you really are stupid beyond compare. Only you would advocate to leave Putin no choice BUT to use nuclear weapons.
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Reply #219 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:22am

John Smith wrote on Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:20am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:18am:

All of them are game changers and could have wiped
out the Russian attacks in 2 hours.

you really are stupid beyond compare.

Only you would advocate to leave Putin no choice BUT to use nuclear weapons.

Bullshit -
Putin can't use nukes in response to conventional weapons.

Those missiles carry about 1 tonne of high explosive.

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Reply #220 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:28am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:18am:

The USA has the Tomahawk cruise missile.
The French have the MdCN and SCALP cruise missile.
The Germans have the Taurus KEPD 350 cruise missile.

All of them are game changers and could have wiped
out the Russian attacks in 2 hours.
All 3 countries could have set them up inside Ukraine and trained the Ukrainians to use them.
They didn't - they allowed the Russians to butcher the people of Ukraine
and turn their cities into rubble.

They are all bastards who sit back and watch the carnage and do nothing.

As I said, it is imperative that Ukrainians prove their resolve to dissociate Ukraine from Russia, before direct foreign militaries enter the war with troops on the ground and aircraft in the air over Ukraine.

Any 'saving the day' by NATO would have been spun by Putin as 'proof' that Ukrainians were not saved from Russia, but invaded by NATO.

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Reply #221 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:32am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:22am:

Putin can't use nukes in response to conventional weapons.

Those missiles carry about 1 tonne of high explosive.

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R-36
The R-36 (SS-9) is a two-stage rocket powered by a liquid bipropellant, with UDMH as fuel and nitrogen tetroxide as an oxidizer. It carries one of two types of re-entry vehicles (RVs) developed especially for this missile:[citation needed]

SS-9 Mod 1 single nuclear warhead of 18 megatons TNT,
SS-9 Mod 2 single nuclear warhead of 25 megatons TNT.

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The R-36M (SS-18), known as Satan by NATO, is similar to the R-36 in design, but has the capacity to mount a MIRV payload of 10 warheads, each with a 550–750 kt yield, or a single warhead of up to 20 Mt.

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The SS-18 Mod 1 carried a single large reentry vehicle, with a warhead yield of 18-25 Mt,

there's probably another 5 or 6 additional different nukes they also have that I'm not going to copy here because I've already shown your stupidity to one and all

stick to glory holes goober.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #222 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:46am Quote: Russian Lieutenant General Yakov Rezantsev has been killed by Ukrainian forces near the southern city of Kherson, the seventh Russian general to die since the invasion began. Another one down
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122508 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #223 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:47am John, get off the drugs and booze. Putin can't use nukes in response to conventional weapons.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #224 - Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:54am Bobby. wrote on Mar 27^th, 2022 at 10:47am: John, get off the drugs and booze. Putin can't use nukes in response to conventional weapons. Why? Because you said so .... good luck with that. You really are a deluded fool
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