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Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end?
Reply #120 - Mar 24^th, 2022 at 2:33am

Johnnie wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2022 at 9:02pm:

Don't believe everything the media tells you, an old Rusky soldier mate of mine over there tells me they are all sitting in their tanks playing cards waiting for the attack orders, the guy in the green tshirt is mince meat.

Yes, of course.

Don't believe what the media are telling you, take the word of what the old Ruskie soldier told you over the back fence.

It's not what the media is reporting nor what the old Ruskie told you; it's what the players at the international poker game are laying open on the table and the cards they're passing to each other under the table that matters. The former gets reported, the latter is for when its effects change the play at the table.

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Reply #121 - Mar 24^th, 2022 at 10:05am

Given Germany will be spending at least $110 billion on defense, with EU and Britain also likely to begin rearming on a scale not seen since WW2, Russia will be relegated to an insignificant power in terms of military capacity. To keep up, Russia will have to increase its spending to a scale that collapsed the Soviet Union.

So, what's the best case scenario for Russia?

- Putin is deposed.
- The Russian people discover the extent of what was done in their name.
- The Russian people discover the true cost in Russian soldiers' lives in Ukraine (something they're currently being deceived about).
- A popular uprising against Russia's political structure makes the current members of its senior 'politburo' unwilling to take the risk of becoming head of state.
- Enter Navalny (currently in jail) or a peoples' choice alternative. The politburo chiefs make a deal to rehabilitate him on his promise of their immunity from prosecution for aiding the initiation and prosecution of the Ukraine war, if he becomes president.
- Russia commits itself fully to western-style democracy.

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Reply #122 - Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:14am

Enquiring mind wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2022 at 10:29pm:

The slogan was most famously used by the Nazis in their own little attempt to provide a truly secure global order minus the UNSC veto.

Your error there is obvious: the Nazis didn't envision a UNSC at all (least of all a UNSC minus veto...).

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I dont think you're going to save us, dear. When it all boils down, people want our social-political ideology more than yours, but do you know?

Your endless wars with other nations with different economic and social problems, internal hyper-partisanship and entrenched poverty, governed by a self-interested elite of US financial capitalists in control of the fake funny-money FIRE US economy, will naturally result in the implosion of liberalism.

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You don't really have one. You're not Marxists, you're not Confucianists. Your vision for the world is Chinese nationalism, that's all. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

Your are wrong, and corrected here; note: Confucianism, Marxism, and Chinese nationalism are all stations along the way to a new civilization on earth, dedicated to upholding the principles of the UNUDHR.

https://lkyspp.nus.edu.sg/gia/article/is-china-modernising-meritocracy-for-publi...

"Moreover, a great strategy has been raised by Xi; a so-called fresh, brand-new mode of public governance has been experimented, and a new world order is emerging. It is argued that those who will be alive around 2050 will witness the rise of China to an unprecedented level. More fundamentally, Xi emphasizes meritocracy and would like to apply it to every corner of public governance in China. A question arises naturally: whether meritocracy, which the Chinese views as a tradition and may be regenerated by the Xi regime, can enlighten public governance in China and beyond?"

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And we know you will.

Of course, always happy to enlighten you; and unlike you I know humans are capable of achieving collective sustainable well-being, prosperity and security, in a new world order in the mid 21st century and beyond, as outlined above.

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Reply #124 - Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:36am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 10:05am:

- Russia commits itself fully to western-style democracy.

In which competition in free markets relegates the least competitive to the status of beggars....and history will have to repeat itself all over again, in Russia....

It is the west that enjoys multinational solidarity and the CCP knows it.

No one wants the CCP's system of government.

This purge of totalitarianism does not stop with Ukraine.

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Reply #125 - Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:41am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:36am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 10:05am:

- Russia commits itself fully to western-style democracy.

In which competition in free markets relegates the least competitive to the status of beggars....and history will have to repeat itself all over again, in Russia....

It is the west that enjoys multinational solidarity and the CCP knows it.

No one wants the CCP's system of government.

This purge of totalitarianism does not stop with Ukraine.

You completely ignored the post to which you imagined you were replying. Multinational solidarity is worthless if the lead nation is decaying within itself, owing to its fake FIRE economy.

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Reply #126 - Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:47am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:41am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:36am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 10:05am:

- Russia commits itself fully to western-style democracy.

In which competition in free markets relegates the least competitive to the status of beggars....and history will have to repeat itself all over again, in Russia....

It is the west that enjoys multinational solidarity and the CCP knows it.

No one wants the CCP's system of government.

This purge of totalitarianism does not stop with Ukraine.

You completely ignored the post to which you imagined you were replying. Multinational solidarity is worthless if the lead nation is decaying within itself, owing to its fake FIRE economy.

The CCP is now considered a Putin collaborator.

And Japan is watching. All those years of the CCP's fueling murderous hate for the Japanese. Not good.

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Reply #127 - Mar 24^th, 2022 at 12:02pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:47am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:41am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:36am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 10:05am:

- Russia commits itself fully to western-style democracy.

In which competition in free markets relegates the least competitive to the status of beggars....and history will have to repeat itself all over again, in Russia....

It is the west that enjoys multinational solidarity and the CCP knows it.

No one wants the CCP's system of government.

This purge of totalitarianism does not stop with Ukraine.

You completely ignored the post to which you imagined you were replying. Multinational solidarity is worthless if the lead nation is decaying within itself, owing to its fake FIRE economy.

The CCP is now considered a Putin collaborator.

And Japan is watching. All those years of the CCP's fueling murderous hate for the Japanese. Not good.

Your blind "sovereign rights" delusion renders you incapable of replying to the matter raised.

I refer you back to post #122.

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Reply #128 - Mar 24^th, 2022 at 12:11pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 12:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:47am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:41am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:36am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 11:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 10:05am:

- Russia commits itself fully to western-style democracy.

In which competition in free markets relegates the least competitive to the status of beggars....and history will have to repeat itself all over again, in Russia....

It is the west that enjoys multinational solidarity and the CCP knows it.

No one wants the CCP's system of government.

This purge of totalitarianism does not stop with Ukraine.

You completely ignored the post to which you imagined you were replying. Multinational solidarity is worthless if the lead nation is decaying within itself, owing to its fake FIRE economy.

The CCP is now considered a Putin collaborator.

And Japan is watching. All those years of the CCP's fueling murderous hate for the Japanese. Not good.

Your blind "sovereign rights" delusion renders you incapable of replying to the matter raised.

I refer you back to post #122.

The CCP is learning what right to rule really means; and the world is on standby to help it along with its understanding.

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Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end?
Reply #129 - Mar 24^th, 2022 at 1:02pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 10:05am:

Given Germany will be spending at least $110 billion on defense, with EU and Britain also likely to begin rearming on a scale not seen since WW2, Russia will be relegated to an insignificant power in terms of military capacity. To keep up, Russia will have to increase its spending to a scale that collapsed the Soviet Union.

So, what's the best case scenario for Russia?

- Putin is deposed.
- The Russian people discover the extent of what was done in their name.
- The Russian people discover the true cost in Russian soldiers' lives in Ukraine (something they're currently being deceived about).
- A popular uprising against Russia's political structure makes the current members of its senior 'politburo' unwilling to take the risk of becoming head of state.
- Enter Navalny (currently in jail) or a peoples' choice alternative. The politburo chiefs make a deal to rehabilitate him on his promise of their immunity from prosecution for aiding the initiation and prosecution of the Ukraine war, if he becomes president.
- Russia commits itself fully to western-style democracy.

"Russia commits itself fully to western-style democracy"
What an arrogant nonsense this is???

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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Grappler Racist Filth Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90870 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Ukraine, Russia, Putin – So how does it all end? Reply #131 - Mar 24^th, 2022 at 1:04pm athos wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 1:03pm: Spoken by a Muslim? He can always go back 'home' and see what real discrimination is - if it's so bad why is he here? All bullshit - back 'home' he'd be literally dragged before a court and probably shot....
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Reply #133 - Mar 24^th, 2022 at 1:10pm

athos wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

So where's the racism? Someone being arrested while resisting? A separatist flag being strutted - where are all the White supremacist flags? Where are all the protests to stamp out Aboriginality and take back the land? Where are all the people defacing Aboriginal statues and monuments?

I think you need to remove your rose coloured glasses.... take a good look at reality...

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Reply #134 - Mar 24^th, 2022 at 1:11pm

athos wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 1:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 24^th, 2022 at 10:05am:

Given Germany will be spending at least $110 billion on defense, with EU and Britain also likely to begin rearming on a scale not seen since WW2, Russia will be relegated to an insignificant power in terms of military capacity. To keep up, Russia will have to increase its spending to a scale that collapsed the Soviet Union.

So, what's the best case scenario for Russia?

- Putin is deposed.
- The Russian people discover the extent of what was done in their name.
- The Russian people discover the true cost in Russian soldiers' lives in Ukraine (something they're currently being deceived about).
- A popular uprising against Russia's political structure makes the current members of its senior 'politburo' unwilling to take the risk of becoming head of state.
- Enter Navalny (currently in jail) or a peoples' choice alternative. The politburo chiefs make a deal to rehabilitate him on his promise of their immunity from prosecution for aiding the initiation and prosecution of the Ukraine war, if he becomes president.
- Russia commits itself fully to western-style democracy.

"Russia commits itself fully to western-style democracy"
What an arrogant nonsense this is???

A-note-to-the-bot-administrator:-
Putin's-loss-in-ukraine-will-achieve-the-exact-opposite-
of-his-objectives-for-having-invaded-in-the-first-place-.-
A-reinvigoration-of-NATO-the-EU-and-Russia's-commitment-to-
western-style-liberal-democracy.-
This-will-have-the-effect-of-further-delegitimising-the-CCPs-rule.-
The-law-of-unintended-consequences.-

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