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Reply #30 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:23pm

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 10:36am:

When did unions issue gag orders on their members to not discuss climate change?

Are they supposed to be above politics? No. So just a far reaching strawman comment. Roll Eyes

the only strawman comments are yours. Why you think the unions are even relevant to this discussion who the bugger knows. This is about Mr Potatoe head gagging defense personnel.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Gagged From Speaking About Climate Change Reply #31 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:25pm lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:13pm: Agree But their opinions are not to be used for political purposes. Roll Eyes Its the libs who are politicising the debate. There is no reason for defense personal to not speak out for environmental and scientific purposes
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Reply #32 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:29pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:23pm:

Why you think the unions are even relevant to this discussion who the bugger knows.

So you admit you don't know why you brought unions into the argument. Goodo.John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:25pm:

There is no reason for defense personal to not speak out for environmental and scientific purposes

Are they climate scientists as well? That is generally the mantra by lefties when it comes to the environment and climate science. Only climate scientists apparently have the knowledge. Grin

I see you don't want to defend Ste Julia. Grin

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Re: Gagged From Speaking About Climate Change
Reply #33 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:30pm

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

So you don't know that it was Labor who politicised it under Ste Julia with the "carbon tax"?

The carbon tax was Jon cowards idea. And governments are SUPPOSED to form policy based on scientific and environmental projections. That in itself does not mean they have politicized the debate. Many other countries have formed policies to combat global warming without making it a political issue. The libs are almost unique in their ability to screw it up based on ideology.

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Reply #34 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:32pm

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:29pm:

So you admit you don't know why you brought unions into the argument.

are you on drugs? You mentioned the unions super funds, not me. I just pointed out your stupidity in doing so.

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:29pm:

Are they climate scientists as well?

they don't need to be. Unlike the libs, they can actually listen to the scientists and then decide how it affects them and what they do all on their own. They don't need mining companies to tell them.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Gagged From Speaking About Climate Change Reply #35 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:35pm lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:29pm: I see you don't want to defend Ste Julia. there no need to defend her. It's not my fault you have no idea what you are one about The carbon tax was a liberal party idea. Julia adopted it. That's as far away from politicising an idea as you can get.
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Reply #36 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:38pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:30pm:

The carbon tax was Jon cowards idea.

And LABOR acted on it..

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:30pm:

And governments are SUPPOSED to form policy based on scientific and environmental projections.

But the fact remains Australia is a carbon sink, which we now know. Before it was assumed that Australia was a net source.

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:30pm:

Many other countries have formed policies to combat global warming without making it a political issue.

None come to mind. So as you are so knowledgeable please name a few. Wink

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:30pm:

The libs are almost unique in their ability to screw it up based on ideology.

So LABOR doesn't have an ideology. Small "t" Target. Grin

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21516 Gender:	Re: Gagged From Speaking About Climate Change Reply #37 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:44pm John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:35pm: The carbon tax was a liberal party idea. Julia adopted it. So Ste Julia had a unique ability to screw up based on ideology.
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Reply #38 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:46pm

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:38pm:

And LABOR acted on it..

instead of politicing it ... see, you're finally catching on

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:38pm:

But the fact remains Australia is a carbon sink, which we now know

moving goal posts again ... surprise Grin

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:38pm:

None come to mind.

china for starters Cheesy

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:38pm:

So LABOR doesn't have an ideology.

again, moving goal posts to run away from what was actually said Cheesy

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Re: Gagged From Speaking About Climate Change
Reply #39 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:49pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:32pm:

You mentioned the unions super funds, not me. I just pointed out your stupidity in doing so.

The point was petal that Gweggy said it was conservatives who had shares in fossil fuel companies. But that was too deep for you. And then you asked about gagging them - to which I pointed out they have license to do so unlike the military who may hold opinions but are not allowed to broadcast them. Roll Eyes

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Re: Gagged From Speaking About Climate Change
Reply #40 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:52pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:46pm:

instead of politicing it

By legislating it they did politicise it. Roll Eyes

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:46pm:

china for starters

So you want a communist rule to achieve it? Where citizens don't have the right to protest? Beside of course China being the BIGGEST CO2 emitter on the planet. Grin

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Re: Gagged From Speaking About Climate Change
Reply #41 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 1:04pm

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:52pm:

By legislating it they did politicise it.

yes.

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:52pm:

So you want a communist rule to achieve it?

why is it that you always ask dumb questions, then when you are given an answer you always pretend the answer says something other than what it says?

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Reply #42 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 1:40pm

lee wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:49pm:

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 12:32pm:

You mentioned the unions super funds, not me. I just pointed out your stupidity in doing so.

The point was petal that Gweggy said it was conservatives who had shares in fossil fuel companies.

I didn't say only conservatives. That's just a lie you fabricated.

To recap:

All I did was answer a question honestly, in the context that it was asked (i.e. Peter Dutton's involvement).

Q. Why does Peter Dutton believe that people should be gagged about speaking about climate change?

A. To protect the conservatives' personal financial interests in coal, oil, and gas.

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Re: Gagged From Speaking About Climate Change
Reply #43 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 2:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 1:40pm:

I didn't say only conservatives. That's just a lie you fabricated.

Poor petal. And it doesn't negate unions being conservative according to your meme. Wink

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 1:40pm:

All I did was answer a question honestly, in the context that it was asked (i.e. Peter Dutton's involvement).

Only according to your belief system. Grin

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Re: Gagged From Speaking About Climate Change
Reply #44 - Mar 20^th, 2022 at 2:15pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

lee wrote Today at 10:52am:
By legislating it they did politicise it.

yes.

So now you agree LABOR politicised it. Thanks for that.

John Smith wrote on Mar 20^th, 2022 at 1:04pm:

why is it that you always ask dumb questions, then when you are given an answer you always pretend the answer says something other than what it says?

Why do you want a communist state?

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