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Reply #675 - Nov 24th, 2023 at 4:46pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 3:48pm:
Speaking of Javier Milei:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/20/economy/argentina-peso-dollar/index.html

Can Argentina really move from the peso to the dollar?

Oh dear.....Milei wants to surrender Argentina's productive capacity to the tender mercies of the US Fed.....

But as for "printing money",  all states need to reclaim the power of money issuance on behalf of the public sector,  separate from money creation in private sector banks. 

Which means in effect the state needs to have first claim on a portion of the nation's resources, sufficient to achieve public sector gaols, eg housing for all and jobs for all, when the private sector fails to achieve these national public goals. 

This is the mistake of the Peronists; they "printed money" without ensuring the resources wanted by government (to achieve social justice) were available for purchase.

But pity Argentina, with Milei thinking of his country becoming a monetary vassal of the USA - without the paperwork in order.....

And the US itself is one of the most unequal societies on the planet.....



Unequal is what Milei's program is all about. By tough times ahead, he means no more food and fuel subsidies, no more government jobs, no more - equality.
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Reply #676 - Nov 24th, 2023 at 9:20pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 24th, 2023 at 4:46pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 22nd, 2023 at 3:48pm:
Speaking of Javier Milei:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/20/economy/argentina-peso-dollar/index.html

Can Argentina really move from the peso to the dollar?

Oh dear.....Milei wants to surrender Argentina's productive capacity to the tender mercies of the US Fed.....

But as for "printing money",  all states need to reclaim the power of money issuance on behalf of the public sector,  separate from money creation in private sector banks. 

Which means in effect the state needs to have first claim on a portion of the nation's resources, sufficient to achieve public sector gaols, eg housing for all and jobs for all, when the private sector fails to achieve these national public goals. 

This is the mistake of the Peronists; they "printed money" without ensuring the resources wanted by government (to achieve social justice) were available for purchase.

But pity Argentina, with Milei thinking of his country becoming a monetary vassal of the USA - without the paperwork in order.....

And the US itself is one of the most unequal societies on the planet.....



Unequal is what Milei's program is all about. By tough times ahead, he means no more food and fuel subsidies, no more government jobs, no more - equality.

Cry Cry Cry

No more equality???  Cry Cry Cry Cry
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Reply #677 - Nov 25th, 2023 at 9:44am
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 24th, 2023 at 4:36pm:
"Just run the presses — print money".

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/11/trump-once-considered-just-printing-money-to-low...

DL didn't get a degree printed by Brown University, shurely.


Good point.

Actually Trump made that remark after his RW guru Rush Limbaugh said (in 2019): "Nobody is a fiscal conservative anymore. All this talk about concern for the deficit and the budget has been bogus for as long as it's been around."

Limbaugh an MMTer? Yikes....

https://reason.com/2019/07/18/rush-limbaugh-abandons-fiscal-conservatism/

Rush Limbaugh Abandons Fiscal Conservatism

The pundit heavily criticized President Obama for excessive spending. Now he says it doesn't matter.

And he is partly right; US government debt is soaring, and yet inflation is falling, and employment is holding up.

Of course conservatives fret about debt when the Left are in power - hypocrites; but the real issue, as MMT points out, is maintaining productivity and engendering sustainable resource mobilization, while avoiding excess demand  in the economy.

Note: the 'debt ceiling' circus continues in the US, as ignorant fiscal conservatives keep demanding a balanced budget, but the truth should be revealed when US debt hits $100 trillion and the sky still hasn't fallen in, while the economy keeps chugging along - including continuing to spend more on misplaced 'defence' rather than eradicating poverty, representing  a 'defence' budget more than the rest of the world combined. 
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Reply #678 - Nov 25th, 2023 at 2:29pm
 
"It’s absurd to talk about the national debt going to zero... Far from a burden, it's a necessity".

- Robert Heilbroner

An original thinker; here are the first pargraphs from his brilliant article titled "Socialism":

Socialism—defined as a centrally planned economy in which the government controls all means of production—was the tragic failure of the twentieth century. Born of a commitment to remedy the economic and moral defects of capitalism, it has far surpassed capitalism in both economic malfunction and moral cruelty. Yet the idea and the ideal of socialism linger on. Whether socialism in some form will eventually return as a major organizing force in human affairs is unknown, but no one can accurately appraise its prospects who has not taken into account the dramatic story of its rise and fall.
The Birth of Socialist Planning
It is often thought that the idea of socialism derives from the work of Karl Marx. In fact, Marx wrote only a few pages about socialism, as either a moral or a practical blueprint for society. The true architect of a socialist order was Lenin, who first faced the practical difficulties of organizing an economic system without the driving incentives of profit seeking or the self-generating constraints of competition. Lenin began from the long-standing delusion that economic organization would become less complex once the profit drive and the market mechanism had been dispensed with—"as self-evident," he wrote, as "the extraordinarily simple operations of watching, recording, and issuing receipts, within the reach of anybody who can read and write and knows the first four rules of arithmetic."



MMT offers a combination of self-interested competition, with state planning, to achieve an economy which works for all, by differentiating between state and private debt.

No doubt Heilbroner was aware of MMT's insights before he died (in 2005).   


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Reply #679 - Dec 9th, 2023 at 11:45am
 
Tweet from Christine Milne, AO:

"Best way to preserve protect and restore #biosphere  is to regulate to end native forest logging, stop land clearance, end fossil fuels and make direct Govt investment***. Markets will not achieve it. "


***with free government money....
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Reply #680 - Dec 11th, 2023 at 11:55am
 
More from Keen's upcoming book:

"This attitude towards government debt and deficits—that government debt should be minimised, that deficits are undesirable, that interest payments on government debt are a punitive impost on future generations, and that high debt and high interest payments can even lead to a government going bankrupt—are key facets of contemporary politics. They were behind the attempt by the UK Cameron government to run surpluses rather than deficits, on the principle that, by "saving for a rainy day", the government would have more money on hand when crises struck in the future. They lie behind the recurring "debt ceiling" debates in the US Congress. They are the basis of the Eurozone rules, enshrined in the Maastricht Treaty, that government debt should not exceed 60% of GDP, and deficits should be no more than 3% of GDP."

.......but in Japan, govt. debt is 260% of GDP, and the US, 130% - and the sky isn't falling in; perhaps Biden knows govt. debt per se isn't the problem (resources are...) and he can fund wars here, there, and everywhere.....

Back to Keen:

"And they are all completely wrong, as is easily shown by looking at the accounting of the mixed credit-fiat monetary system in which we live. I will explain this very, very slowly. It may be tedious to read—it was tedious to write!—but this is necessary, given that utterly fallacious beliefs about the financial system are ingrained into, and damage, our political and social systems, thanks to erroneous mainstream economic thinking".

https://profstevekeen.substack.com/p/its-a-mixed-credit-fiat-world?utm_source=po...
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Reply #681 - Dec 14th, 2023 at 12:02pm
 
Pesident Milei should study Keen (see previous post)....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/companies/people-are-going-to-suffer-argentines-...

'People are going to suffer': Argentines grapple with austerity shock

(Milei) has repeatedly said that "there is no money," though he has pledged to protect some social spending in a bid to head off protests, with over four-in-10 people already in poverty.

The results of his mainstream 'medicine', based on saving the economy rather than saving the people, will be plain to see in the coming months.

Meanwhile  a new film titled " Finding the Money" has been released, due for screening in Oz in March next year...Milei would do well to watch it.
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Reply #682 - Dec 16th, 2023 at 9:24am
 
https://era.org.au/chicago-economics-garbage-in-gospel-out/

Chicago economics — garbage in, gospel out  (GIGO)

Indeed.

“Every dollar of increased government spending must correspond to one less dollar of private spending. Jobs created by stimulus spending are offset by jobs lost from the decline in private spending. We can build roads instead of factories, but fiscal stimulus can’t help us to build more of both. This form of “crowding out” is just accounting, and doesn’t rest on any perceptions or behavioural assumptions.” – John Cochrane.

And the tiny little problem? It’s utterly and completely wrong!


Poor Argentinians - get ready for the 'gospel' according to Friedman and the Neoclassicists......

More:

Chicago economics is a dangerous pseudo-scientific zombie ideology that ultimately relies on the poor having to pay for the mistakes of the rich. Trying to explain business cycles in terms of 'rational expectations' has failed blatantly. Maybe it would be asking too much of freshwater economists like John Cochrane to concede that, but it’s still a fact that ought to be embarrassing.

My rational expectation is that 80 years from now, no one will know who John Cochrane was. John Maynard Keynes, on the other hand, will still be known as one of the masters of economics.
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Reply #683 - Dec 19th, 2023 at 10:01am
 
The results of governments being forced to borrow from private sector financiers (especially when interest rates are high):

https://www.msn.com/en-au/health/other/pick-her-up-and-take-her-away-teenager-s-...


"A doctor in casualty shouted in exasperation when Fayza and her parents kept pleading with him to give her a bed. Fayza’s mother, Razia, recalls his words: “Where do you poor all keep coming from? How can we cope with you all?”..........

The problem Fayza’s family encountered has a solution – but it is defective. More than 60 private hospitals, which were given land at highly subsidised rates, are obliged to dedicate 10% of beds and 25% of outpatient appointments to low-income patients, free of charge. If free private treatment supplemented government hospitals, it was reasoned, this would help address the monumental inequality experienced by Indians when they fall sick.

But this obligation was not honoured for years by private hospitals. They turned away poor Indians, in favour, it is alleged, of paying patients. A board that is meant to be displayed prominently at hospital entrances to publicise the policy was reportedly often missing......


Disgusting; private financiers forcing governments to borrow the nation's own currency - which the government issues; all to ensue the rich have prior call on the nation's resources.   
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Reply #684 - Dec 19th, 2023 at 10:05am
 
46 pages of "It's Never Going To Happen"....  WW III will break out first....
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Reply #685 - Dec 19th, 2023 at 10:30am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 10:05am:
46 pages of "It's Never Going To Happen"....  WW III will break out first....


Or ..possibly... AGW climate change will wreak enough havoc, to force the necessary change from management of money to benefit the rich, to global management of resources to benefit everyone. (edit for graps: NOT 'equality of outcome'...)   
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Reply #686 - Dec 19th, 2023 at 2:26pm
 
46 pages of "It's Never Going To Happen" ....

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Reply #687 - Dec 19th, 2023 at 2:31pm
 
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Reply #688 - Dec 19th, 2023 at 4:40pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 2:26pm:
46 pages of "It's Never Going To Happen" ....

https://i.imgflip.com/89tnfm.jpg


Patience dear fellow. The poor are mostly the ones paying now, but that will change, if AGW scientists are correct. 

(Neat reuse of a cartoon, for climate instead of war; but your illusional freedom or death ideology renders both uses meaningless).  
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Reply #689 - Dec 19th, 2023 at 4:52pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Dec 19th, 2023 at 2:31pm:


Exactly; eg, Bill Gates thinks MMT is bunkum, since he has plenty of the stuff we call money, and thinks (incorrectly)  there is only a certain amount of it to go around...
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