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Reply #1425 - Feb 14th, 2026 at 4:47pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2026 at 4:29pm:
TGD,
don't tell me to wake up - it's numpties like you who
were responsible for the Weimar Republic in Germany going bankrupt,
and the money printing in Zimbabwe.


Uneducable: those hyper-inflation episodes have been explained many times on this board, whereas your delusional "equilibrium"  Neoclassical economics was blind-sided by the GFC.   

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Your thinking is leading us and many other countries to ruin.


We define "ruin" differently; homelessness and health-destroying c-o-l pressures among  low income people is ruin in my book.

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The end result will be another world war this time -
and I think it has already started.


Nothing to do with engineered poverty for low income people.
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Reply #1426 - Feb 14th, 2026 at 5:09pm
 
I vote TGD for Mod of Economics Board Cool
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #1427 - Feb 14th, 2026 at 5:16pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 14th, 2026 at 5:09pm:
I vote TGD for Mod of Economics Board Cool



TGD is a CCP shill.       Roll Eyes
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Reply #1428 - Feb 15th, 2026 at 10:31am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2026 at 5:16pm:
Jasin wrote on Feb 14th, 2026 at 5:09pm:
I vote TGD for Mod of Economics Board Cool



TGD is a CCP shill.       Roll Eyes


Wrong.

1. You claimed China's ability to out-compete other nations in, eg, EVs, PVs and metals refining, rendering Oz unable to compete in global markets, is due to "illegal Chinese pricing". 

I pointed you to prof Keen's analysis of the WTO's delusional "comparative advantage" dogma, which explains why the WTO "freetrade rules"  have failed to engender prosperous development in ALL nations, and Trump's rejection of the international rules-based system. 

You are apparently too lazy to read and then offer your critique of Keen's brilliant expose' of the Neoclassical 'comparative advantage' delusion (post #1412).

2. As you already know, I'm highly critical of the CCP's management of China's economy, in the present era of Trump's pushback (he wants to maintain US global hegemony) against China because of dysfunctional WTO rules.

Fact is both China and India (and all developing nations) need to attain 'developed nation' per capita incomes, in a just global trading system which also avoids the rust belt phenomenom in developed nations.   [Prof. Keen has also addressed this issue in a previous post.] That's means India and China will be the largest economies in the world by far.

3. Indeed I'm interested in the theory of government - specifically, one-party meritocracy compared with  adversarial-party democracy, given the political instability caused by cost-of-living pressures on low and middle income groups, in most democracies around the world.

Does all this make me a "CCP shill"?


 
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Reply #1429 - Feb 17th, 2026 at 10:42am
 
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=63058

Actions by our governments are the opposite to what we require from them on climate change

...........

It's time for governments to take control of resource mobilization via central planning, to achieve sustainable resource allocation, given 'invisible hand' markets are increasingly unable to function properly in an era of ecological distress, increasing population, and mal-distribution of resources manifesting in entrenched  poverty and soaring inequality.

Even Musk hasn't realised it yet, despite proffering that  "AI will render currencies irrelevant" and "work will be optional".....

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Reply #1430 - Feb 18th, 2026 at 8:02pm
 

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1. You claimed China's ability to out-compete other nations in, eg, EVs, PVs and metals refining, rendering Oz unable to compete in global markets, is due to "illegal Chinese pricing".


Yes I do.

It involves price dumping at below cost to destroy companies outside China.
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Reply #1431 - Feb 19th, 2026 at 1:14pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 18th, 2026 at 8:02pm:
TGD,
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1. You claimed China's ability to out-compete other nations in, eg, EVs, PVs and metals refining, rendering Oz unable to compete in global markets, is due to "illegal Chinese pricing".


Yes I do.

It involves price dumping at below cost to destroy companies outside China.



Dumping is a different issue to competitve pricing. 

Dumping a generic product, eg steel, on global markets - because Trump has banned competitively priced Chinese steel from the large US market - is different to exporting competively-priced Chinese vehicles which are wanted by overseas markets:

(google)

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China is the world's largest exporter of electric vehicles (EVs), accounting for roughly 40% of global electric car exports as of 2024, with over 1.25 million units shipped. Driven by massive production capacity—manufacturing over 70% of the world's EVs—and competitive pricing, China dominates global export markets, particularly to Asia and Europe.

Not "dumping", but out-selling - in the same way Japanese cars out-sold cars from Detroit after the 1970s, because they were better value and people shunned Yank 'gas- guzzlers'.




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Reply #1432 - Feb 19th, 2026 at 3:49pm
 
The dysfunction of mainstream Neoclassical economics:

(ABC News)

Unemployment rate remains at 4.1pc in January, leading to talk of another rate rise

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In recent weeks, some economists have been arguing that the RBA's inflation-fighting strategy has been a failure and the RBA needs to lift interest rates much higher to drag inflation back down, even though that could lead to much higher unemployment.

..an argument Tim Wilson supported today (ABC News).  Of course he would - he's more interested in high-interest bank accounts for boomers, than ensuring real full employment (ie, with no under-employment).

So the idea is....you increase unemployment in order to bring inflation down - surely the definition of macroeconomic dysfunction.

Meanwhile in the UK:

(Daily Mail)

Inflation falls to 3% boosting chance of interest rate cuts

UK inflation has fallen to its lowest since March last year due to a drop in petrol, food and airfare prices. The drop has raised the likelihood that the Bank of England will cut interest rates

Lower food prices? How did that happen - reduced demand or increased supply?

BUT:

(google)

As of the latest data released in February 2026 by the Office for National Statistics (ONS), the UK unemployment rate for the period of October to December 2025 increased to 5.2%

So - considerably higher than Oz.

And (in the UK):

Unemployment has unexpectedly risen to its highest level for five years and wage growth has slowed again as the UK jobs market continues to come under pressure, according to official figure

So why did wage growth slow? Higher unemployment? Lower food prices?

Yet cost of living pressures remain high for at least half the population.

Obviously the macroeconomy is too complex to be handed over to mainstream economists in central banks - whose main inflation-fighting tool (ie monetary policy) is woefully inadequate for the task. 

While the wealthy laugh all the way to the bank.











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Reply #1433 - Yesterday at 10:59am
 
It doesn't matter how 'intelligent' a person is, he can still be hoodwinked by the mainstream Neoclassical "scarcity" delusion. 

(Daily Mail)

Artificial intelligence will create tiny elite class while the majority suffer, ex-Google boss warns

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....However, since a more general form of AI can do anything, some experts warn that it won't leave any gaps in the job market at all.

While the economic benefits will likely be vast, Mr Hunter–Torricke is more concerned about how those gains will be distributed.

He writes: 'The productivity gains will be real – but there is no automatic mechanism that translates them into broadly shared prosperity.


and

Mr Amodei wrote in an essay: 'Humanity is about to be handed almost unimaginable power, and it is deeply unclear whether our social, political, and technological systems possess the maturity to wield it.

Mr Hunter–Torricke now predicts that the world's governments and institutions have 'roughly ten years left to rethink many of the fundamental assumptions'.

He has founded a new London–based non–profit, the Center for Tomorrow, which will address the issue.

The firm has pledged not to accept any funding from Big Tech and instead has funding from the Scottish billionaire Sir Tom Hunter, who is the uncle of Mr–Torricke's wife.



In fact the issue of massive productivity gains and how to share the gains, can be easily addressed by the IMF, provided the present crop of Neoclassical 'scarcity' economists are replaced by economists who know how money is created .....ie ex nihilo.

Hopefully the 'Center for Tomorrow' won't spend its time navel gazing....


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Reply #1434 - Yesterday at 2:18pm
 
More on the Neoclassical 'scarcity' dogma, and it's related push for 'government  austerity':

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Bitcoin has a fixed limit of 21 million coins, hardcoded by creator Satoshi Nakamoto to ensure scarcity and create an anti-inflationary, "digital gold" asset that cannot be devalued by central authority money-printing.

Why the 21 Million Limit Exists:

Engineered Scarcity:

Inspired by precious metals like gold, the fixed cap makes Bitcoin a deflationary, long-term store of value.

Inflation Resistance:

Unlike fiat currencies, which can be printed endlessly by governments, Bitcoin’s supply cannot be artificially increased, protecting against inflation.***(see below)

Controlled Emission:

New bitcoins are generated through mining, with rewards halving roughly every four years, creating a decreasing, predictable, and finite emission schedule.

Mathematical Logic:

The 21 million figure is a direct result of the code's design—starting with a 50 BTC reward, cutting in half every 210,000 blocks (roughly 4 years)—rather than a random choice.


ie  a ponzi scheme based on demand for 'scarce' BTC.


***the error above is most money in the economy is created in private banks  (when they create loans for credit-worthy customers), not by "money printing" in central banks -  as shown by the fact governments sell bonds to borrow money.


To wit:

(Markets Insider)

Wall Street's 'Dr. Doom' economist blasts bitcoin as a 'bogus' asset, and says crypto risks destabilizing the financial system

One of Wall Street's biggest crypto skeptics is taking fresh aim at bitcoin amid its steep sell-off.

Nouriel Roubini also known as "Dr. Doom" for his frequently apocalyptic predictions on markets and the economy — doubled down on his view that bitcoin is far from being an inflation hedge and is a "pseudo-asset class."

Bitcoin, which entered bear market territory late last year, traded around $67,400 on Wednesday, down 45% from its peak in late October.

"Calling Bitcoin or any other crypto vehicle a 'currency' has always been bogus. It is neither a unit of account, a scalable means of payment, nor a stable store of value," Roubini wrote in an op-ed for Project Syndicate earlier this month.

Roubini, who has blasted bitcoin in the past as a "Ponzi Game" associated with criminal activity and said he believed the token was in "the mother of all bubbles," pointed to the crypto's potential use in illegal transactions. He also said that crypto broadly poses a risk to the financial system as lawmakers integrate it further into traditional banking.

In particular, he highlighted the GENIUS Act, and said the landmark stablecoin bill should be remembered as the "Reckless Idiot Act," partly because the bill specifies that stablecoins do not have lender-of-last resort or deposit insurance benefits.

The push among some players in the crypto industry to allow interest payments on stablecoins could further "undermine the foundations of the banking system," he added.

"Thus, all it would take to incite a panic and trigger a bank run is for a few bad apples in pseudo-libertarian US states to mis-invest their holdings or place their deposits in weak institutions," Roubini speculated. "This is a political and financial stability issue, and few are as serious or as sensitive," he later added.

Bitcoin's pronounced sell-off has slashed the token's value nearly in half. Should its decline lead to a true bitcoin winter, some forecasters see the coin dropping to as low as $31,000, a more than 50% drop from the token's current levels.

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But I wonder if Nouriel, like Musk, doesn't understand how real - ie fiat - money is created.....the subject of this MMT thread.


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