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Reply #1410 - Feb 6th, 2026 at 2:44pm
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi8BV6bWsWg

IT'S OVER: China Just Sold All US Debt. What They Aren't Telling You

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Basically tells, in an easily understood  line by line account,  how the US dollar's 'exorbitant privilege' (as the global reserve currency) has created the fake financialized US economy which China is exploiting as a result of the US-initiated trade war.

Excellent analysis, exposing high-risk US treasuries, stocks, bonds and real estate 'values', in the fake, financialized US economy.

He also derides crypto, and ends up praising gold as the only 'safe haven' in the coming global meltdown.

But he does contradict himself, while praising China's REAL economy for its production of stuff which people want and need, to live well.

Individuals  - and certainly governments -  don't need gold, to live well.

And the currency-issuing Chinese government doesn't need to store gold, it needs to distribute yuan to low income groups, to absorb the nation's industrial "over-capacity" resulting from the US trade war.

Or create currency-swaps ("de-dollarization") with Global South nations, also discussed.
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Reply #1411 - Feb 8th, 2026 at 10:28am
 
An MMT critique of Musk's latest musings on US debt.

(Fortune)

Elon Musk warns the US is '1,000% going to go bankrupt' unless AI and robotics save the economy from crushing debt

Tesla CEO Elon Musk doubled down on his warnings about U.S. debt, predicting financial doom will be guaranteed without the transformative effects of AI and robotics on the economy.

In a lengthy, wide-ranging interview with podcaster Dwarkesh Patel alongside Stripe cofounder and president John Collison on Thursday, the tech billionaire was asked why he pushed for aggressive spending cuts while leading the Department of Government Efficiency if technology will supercharge GDP growth and ease the debt burden.

Musk replied that he was concerned about waste and fraud. That’s despite reports that many across-the-board staffing cuts included critical employees who had to be hired back.

“In the absence of AI and robotics, we’re actually totally screwed because the national debt is piling up like crazy,” he added.

Interest payments alone on the $38.5 trillion debt pile are about $1 trillion a year, exceeding the U.S. military budget, Musk pointed out.

Debt-servicing costs also top spending on social programs like Medicare. But President Donald Trump has vowed to boost annual defense outlays to $1.5 trillion, so the defense budget could overtake interest payments again, at least temporarily.

Reflecting on his work with DOGE, Musk said he had hoped to slow down the unsustainable financial trajectory the U.S. is on, buying more time for AI and robotics to boost growth.

“It’s the only thing that could solve the national debt. We are 1,000% going to go bankrupt as a country, and fail as a country, without AI and robots,” he predicted. “Nothing else will solve the national debt. We just need enough time to build the AI and robots to not go bankrupt before then.”

In late November, Musk made similar comments, saying on Nikhil Kamath’s podcast that the deployment of AI and robotics “at very large scale” is the only solution to the U.S. debt crisis.

But he cautioned that the increased output in goods and services as a result of the technologies would likely lead to significant deflation. “That seems likely because you simply won’t be able to increase the money supply as fast as you increase the output of goods and services,” Musk added.


My comment: Musk apparently isn't aware Treasury can create money ex nihilo, as noted below:

Deflation would actually worsen the debt burden in real terms, while inflation would ease it initially, though a resulting spike in bond yields would eventually send debt-interest payments soaring.

To be sure, the U.S. has some built-in advantages given that the dollar remains the world’s reserve currency, allowing the Treasury Department to borrow at lower interest rates than would be possible otherwise.

The ability of the U.S. to issue debt in its own currency and the Federal Reserve’s bond-buying capacity also lessen the risk of an outright default.

Still, the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget warned last month that the U.S. is on a trajectory that could trigger six distinct types of fiscal crises.

While it’s “impossible” to know when disaster will strike, “some form of crisis is almost inevitable” without a course correction, the CRFB said in a report.


.......

Yet, despite the acknowledged "ability of the U.S. government to issue debt in its own currency", the CRFB - blinded by  Neoclassical 'balanced govt. budget' dogma, still persists with its "some form of crisis is almost inevitable" narrative.

Meanwhile, Musk is concerned about (how to deal with) DE-flation......

Pathetic.
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Reply #1412 - Feb 9th, 2026 at 10:10am
 
Prof. Keen's brilliant analysis of why WTO "free-trade rules" following Ricardo's classical 'comparative advantage' dogma have failed the world.

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When trade opens between two countries and comparative advantage dictates that Country A should specialize in good X while Country B specializes in good Y, the theory requires:

Capital currently employed in Country A’s Y-industry must costlessly transform into X-industry capital

Capital currently employed in Country B’s X-industry must costlessly transform into Y-industry capital

This transformation must occur without loss of value, employment, or productive capacity

In reality, none of these conditions obtain. A textile mill cannot become a semiconductor fabrication facility. An automobile assembly plant cannot become a pharmaceutical laboratory. The skills of textile workers do not transfer to chip manufacturing. The transformation that comparative advantage requires is not merely costly, it is impossible—exactly as Ricardo himself acknowledged in Chapter XIX.


and later:

The experience of deindustrialized regions suggests that capital destruction is often permanent: factories close and are never replaced; skills atrophy and are never redeployed; communities decline and do not recover.

....which is why Trump wants to bring back manufacturing to the US.


Full article available at:

https://profstevekeen.substack.com/p/the-deliberate-deception-in-ricardos?utm_so...

The Deliberate Deception in Ricardo’s Defence of Comparative Advantage

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Note: MMT analysis would utilize  'free' government money to subsidize redeployment of resources in a given locality or city (as far as possible), eg, to avoid Detroit's fate from the 1970s to the 2000s, in the US.   



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Reply #1413 - Feb 9th, 2026 at 12:13pm
 
Re "The ability of the U.S. to issue debt in its own currency and the Federal Reserve’s bond-buying capacity also lessen the risk of an outright default." (from post #1411):

It is this same ability which has enabled Sanae Takaichi to increase her majority  in the Diet by promising lower taxes to ease the c-o-l crisis, even though Japan has the highest debt/GDP in the world  (c. 240%).

Bond vigilantes have often tried - and failed -  to force the BofJ to raise interest rates, but the BofJ simply buys Japanese bonds to maintain demand for these bonds, hence keeping yields (interest rates) low.

Interestingly MMT economist prof. Bill Mitchell is a visiting scholar in Japan and has established communication channnels  with some  Japanese politicians; needless to say the debate with mainstream Neoclassical economists is raging in Japan.

https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=34830

Bank of Japan is in charge not the bond markets

But the PM must be very pleased that her lower taxes policy - despite the massive government debt - has gained her a sizable majority,  and she will not suffer Liz Truss's fate....

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/14/investing/uk-market-credibility-truss

Liz Truss was defeated by the bond market. Investors aren’t satisfied yet


The difference?
 
Japan makes stuff, the UK  ("The City") juggles money...

Note: Germany makes stuff too, but it can no longer issue debt in its own currency..ouch.
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Reply #1414 - Feb 10th, 2026 at 1:38pm
 
Musk in an interview with Fink at WEF, Davos - the billionaires' 'talk-fest'.

Musk wants to "ensure civilization survives by moving beyond Earth".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgifEgm1-e0

.....Musk at his 'engaging' best.

Problem is - even after recently noting "AI will result in currencies becoming irrelevant", he doesn't seem to understand we can save civilization on Earth via public sector central-planning funded by "money printing" in national treasuries, alongside private-sector enterprise funded by private banks (as at present) when they write loans for credit-worthy customers. The real issue to be addressed is the required balance between the two systems.

Unfortunately he's too busy (obviously) developing Spaceship, to consider for a moment how money is created, by whom, and for what purpose.
 
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Reply #1415 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 9:16am
 
Even Sky News can see the problem (but doesn't know how to fix it.....):

(Sky News)

‘Powerful forces being unleashed’: Crisis of ‘uncertainty’ driving One Nation vote

Redbridge Group Director Simon Welsh claims economic uncertainty is driving the One Nation vote.

“We have seen on the right what this kind of uncertainty and anxiety can produce, and it’s absolutely driving this One Nation vote,” Mr Welsh told Sky News Australia.

“It’s all the same crisis… It’s economic, it’s social, it’s global.

“These are pretty powerful forces that are being unleashed.”


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"It's the economy. stupid".......hence the question:

"Where's the money coming from".

Politicians haven't got a clue, hence their silly political games. 
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Reply #1416 - Feb 13th, 2026 at 5:04pm
 

Watch Matt Canavan give the RBA boss a serve.
She talks bullshit -
the jobs are fake jobs - Govt. jobs.


‘I am not gaslighting you’: RBA boss erupts in fiery clash with Senator Canavan




Matt can talk her language:

Matt Canavan is an Australian Nationals Senator for Queensland (elected 2013, term began 2014)
with a background in economics. He holds a Bachelor of Arts and a Bachelor of Economics
with First Class Honours from the University of Queensland.





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Reply #1417 - Feb 14th, 2026 at 12:38pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 13th, 2026 at 5:04pm:
Watch Matt Canavan give the RBA boss a serve.
She talks bullshit -
the jobs are fake jobs - Govt. jobs.


‘I am not gaslighting you’: RBA boss erupts in fiery clash with Senator Canavan




Matt can talk her language:

Matt Canavan is an Australian Nationals Senator for Queensland (elected 2013, term began 2014)
with a background in economics. He holds a Bachelor of Arts and a Bachelor of Economics
with First Class Honours from the University of Queensland.


The problem is both Bullock and Canavan are "trained economists".

BUT.....

She wants to be seen as apolitical, ie, in line with current mainstream 'independent' central bank  dogma, whereas Canavan wants her to more forcefully demonstrate mainstream  Neoclassical "scarcity"/austerity/"trickle down" monetarist dogma.

As Prof Bill Mitchell explains, in comparing the 'Liz Truss moment' in the UK, in which financial-market bond-traders destroyed a politically weak PM,  with the current situation in Japan, where a newly elected PM with a powerful mandate is 'breaking the rules', by reducing taxes AND increasing government spending despite massive government debt, in order to ease c-o-l pressures on ordinary Japanese people. 

https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=63057#comment-179973

Those who invoke the ‘Truss Moment’ should look at what is happening in Japan


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Reply #1418 - Feb 14th, 2026 at 1:08pm
 
Politics never practices good MATHS (economics).
Hence the Global Economy is a DEBT, not Profit.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #1419 - Feb 14th, 2026 at 3:42pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 14th, 2026 at 1:08pm:
Politics never practices good MATHS (economics).
Hence the Global Economy is a DEBT, not Profit.


I'm not sure if you are saying debt is 'good' or 'bad'.

Productive debt (either public or private) is good debt; and since currency-issuing governments can't run out of money,  government debt (or rather, government spending, because c-i-governments, by defintion, don't need to borrow money), provided it is productive,  is good debt.

Eg, govt. spending on essential public infrastructure, education and health care.

Of course, government also needs  to take back the inflation management task from the central bank, by ensuring aggregate supply  and aggregate demand are in balance, rather than relying on the very blunt monetary setting tool of central banks - which often hurts those least able to bear the pain.





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Reply #1420 - Feb 14th, 2026 at 3:44pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 14th, 2026 at 12:38pm:
The problem is both Bullock and Canavan are "trained economists".

BUT.....

She wants to be seen as apolitical, ie, in line with current mainstream 'independent' central bank  dogma, whereas Canavan wants her to more forcefully demonstrate mainstream  Neoclassical "scarcity"/austerity/"trrickle down" monetarist dogma.

As Prof Bill Mitchell explains, in comparing the 'Liz Truss moment' in the UK, in which financial-market bond-traders destroyed a politically weak PM,  with the current situation in Japan, where a newly elected PM with a powerful mandate is 'breaking the rules', by reducing taxes AND increasing government spending despite massive government debt, in order to ease c-o-l pressures on ordinary Japanese people. 

https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=63057#comment-179973

Those who invoke the ‘Truss Moment’ should look at what is happening in Japan





Notice he didn't ask her how much money she had printed for Albo?

It's a forbidden topic.
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Reply #1421 - Feb 14th, 2026 at 4:03pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2026 at 3:44pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 14th, 2026 at 12:38pm:
The problem is both Bullock and Canavan are "trained economists".

BUT.....

She wants to be seen as apolitical, ie, in line with current mainstream 'independent' central bank  dogma, whereas Canavan wants her to more forcefully demonstrate mainstream  Neoclassical "scarcity"/austerity/"trrickle down" monetarist dogma.

As Prof Bill Mitchell explains, in comparing the 'Liz Truss moment' in the UK, in which financial-market bond-traders destroyed a politically weak PM,  with the current situation in Japan, where a newly elected PM with a powerful mandate is 'breaking the rules', by reducing taxes AND increasing government spending despite massive government debt, in order to ease c-o-l pressures on ordinary Japanese people. 

https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=63057#comment-179973

Those who invoke the ‘Truss Moment’ should look at what is happening in Japan





Notice he didn't ask her how much money she had printed for Albo?

It's a forbidden topic.


Not forbidden; and in the case of the exchange between her and Canavan, irrelevant. 

The actual forbidden topic in economics is how money is created. 

Whereas you,  like the mainstream media, are continually banging on about 'government debt' and 'balancing the budget' (like a household must do).

At least Canavan didn't go down your silly "money printing" hole: all money is "printed"  by the authorized entities.  He's just pushing the Conservative "trickle down'  economic fallacy.
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Reply #1422 - Feb 14th, 2026 at 4:08pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 14th, 2026 at 4:03pm:
Not forbidden; and in the case of the exchange between her and Canavan, irrelevant. 

The actual forbidden topic in economics is how money is created. 

Whereas you,  like the mainsteam media, are continually banging on about 'government debt' and 'balancing the budget' (like a household must do).

At least Canavan didn't go down your silly "money printing" hole: all money is "printed"  by the authorized entities. 



Don't call me silly -

we are living beyond our means - going into unpayable debt.
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Reply #1423 - Feb 14th, 2026 at 4:21pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2026 at 4:08pm:
[quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1645944963/1421#1421 date=1771049031]

Not forbidden; and in the case of the exchange between her and Canavan, irrelevant. 

The actual forbidden topic in economics is how money is created. 

Whereas you,  like the mainsteam media, are continually banging on about 'government debt' and 'balancing the budget' (like a household must do).

At least Canavan didn't go down your silly "money printing" hole: all money is "printed"  by the authorized entities. 



Quote:
Don't call me silly -


I didn't call you silly, I said your  narrative re "money printing" is silly, not to say ignorant.

Quote:
we are living beyond our means - going into unpayable debt.


All BS.

You ARE uneducable,  hence your persistent silly notions expressed above.

Oz has the resources to eradicate poverty in Oz, even while increasing its population on a continent the size of China (via water desalinization, renewables and nuclear).

Money is no problem for a currency-issuer, the issue is sustainable mobilization of resources. 

Wake up.
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Reply #1424 - Feb 14th, 2026 at 4:29pm
 
TGD,
don't tell me to wake up - it's numpties like you who
were responsible for the Weimar Republic in Germany going bankrupt,
and the money printing in Zimbabwe.

Your thinking is leading us and many other countries to ruin.
The end result will be another world war this time -
and I think it has already started.
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