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Re: Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)
Reply #1350 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 4:30pm
 
Jasin wrote on Nov 28th, 2025 at 4:21pm:
TGD needs to be Mod of Finance & Economics Board.
He's good.


I always hope genuine posters don't need moderating, just educating Smiley

And you know my views on a (F&E) Board which assumes - as a given - the 'correctness' of the current Neoclassical orthodoxy. 
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Reply #1351 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 4:39pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28th, 2025 at 4:19pm:
Hence my work promoting a new system, to replace the current dysfunctional Neoclassical system in which government debt keeps growing despite the best attempts at 'fiscal discipline' to "balance the budget" (which Reeves and Chalmers are contuinually bleating about, while the US is merrily increasing its debt via the Big Beautiful Bill), resulting in enforcing 'austerity' on low income groups, thus destabilizing democracy itself.




But your ideas evolve around unrestricted and reckless money printing
which destroys peoples savings and causes inflation.

Did you know that if you have money in the bank -
you have to pay tax on the interest you earn? -
that is regardless of how much you have lost due to inflation?

I got hit a while back with provisional tax -
on money in the bank - before I'd even earned any interest.  WTF?
It was hard to get out of it too -
even when I spent all that money buying a house
they still kept sending me invoices - pack of arseholes.
They go after the little guys and let 1/3rd of the largest companies
pay ZERO tax.
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Re: Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)
Reply #1352 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 5:26pm
 
There was notion of Jubilee years in old Jewish tradition.

The Jubilee year – occurring after every seventh Sabbath year, thus, every 50 years – is an economic, cultural, environmental and communal reset.

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According to regulations found in the Book of Leviticus, certain indentured servants would be released from servitude, some debts would be forgiven, and everyone was supposed to return to their own property in jubilee years


https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12967-sabbatical-year-and-jubilee
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Reply #1353 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 8:58pm
 
From Australia:


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Re: Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)
Reply #1354 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 9:14pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2025 at 4:39pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28th, 2025 at 4:19pm:
Hence my work promoting a new system, to replace the current dysfunctional Neoclassical system in which government debt keeps growing despite the best attempts at 'fiscal discipline' to "balance the budget" (which Reeves and Chalmers are contuinually bleating about, while the US is merrily increasing its debt via the Big Beautiful Bill), resulting in enforcing 'austerity' on low income groups, thus destabilizing democracy itself.



But your ideas evolve around unrestricted and reckless money printing
which destroys peoples savings and causes inflation.


(Again) from #1322, an outline of an alternative system enabling government to escape 'Catch-22':

<<A  combination of  'central planning' and private enterprise.

1.Cancel the bond market, so governments aren't paying interest on bonds.

2. Ensure the resources needed for vital public services  are available for purchase[/u], before issuing the (free) 'public money' needed to purchase them.

3. Let private enterprise rip within the confines of 1 and 2.>>
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Note: point #2 addresses "unrestricted and reckless money printing"; the resources mentioned (labour and materials) must be available for purchase by the government by decree if necessary ( hence the 'central planning' element) BEFORE treasury can issue the required money which will  be issued at no cost, ie interest free, to the currency-issuing government.

This will ensure inflation is avoided, because there will be no excess demand on available resources; this addresses your concern re inflation.

I think you missed the heading of  the plan:

"A  combination of  'central planning' and private enterprise".

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Did you know that if you have money in the bank -


This thread is about government funding itself with public money, not your taxpayer money.

And the part-central-planning system I described above, with a mandated full employment, zero central-bank interest-rate policy (ZIRP) will ensure inflation is contained, hence the money you earn and save will be secure.   

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you have to pay tax on the interest you earn? -
that is regardless of how much you have lost due to inflation?


Adressed above; your savings will be safe from inflation.

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I got hit a while back with provisional tax -
on money in the bank - before I'd even earned any interest.  WTF?
It was hard to get out of it too -
even when I spent all that money buying a house
they still kept sending me invoices - pack of arseholes.
They go after the little guys and let 1/3rd of the largest companies
pay ZERO tax.


Yes, such is the current exploitative, dysfunctional Neoclassical system which extracts 'taxpayer money' from the citizens. 


Better:

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/

Public money will ensure YOUR money - no longer required to fund the government (rendering "taxpayer money" obsolete) - is safe from the current dysfunctional Neoclassical system. 


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Reply #1355 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 9:23pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2025 at 8:58pm:


Excellent point. The ATO should be abolished forthwith.....
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Reply #1356 - Nov 30th, 2025 at 10:47am
 
Prof Steve Keen hammering the point about how banks lend money:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-iWfMwUI2k

We think banks store money. They don't.

We are taught that banks take deposits and lend them out - like passing a baton.

That is a lie.

In the real world, banks don't lend by moving old money; they lend by typing new money into existence.

When a bank gives you a loan, they don't get poorer. They simply increase their debt and your deposit simultaneously. They create purchasing power out of "thin air."

Mainstream economists - and likely your old textbooks - ignore this. They model capitalism as a barter system where banks are just neutral intermediaries.

This isn't just an academic error. It is a catastrophic mistake.

By ignoring how banks actually create money, we ignore the private debt bubbles that cause crashes. We manage the economy blindfolded.

I am tired of false models ruining our economy. It is time you saw the mechanics for yourself
(see above link).

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Reply #1357 - Dec 2nd, 2025 at 5:50pm
 
An explanation of the current global cost of living crisis affecting the working class.

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Karl Marx explained our current conundrum nearly 150 years ago: economist

Marx’s theory of crisis

The future of AI is not in question. Like the internet after the dot-com crash, the technology will endure. What is in question is where capital will flow once AI equities stop delivering the speculative returns they have promised over the past few years.

That question takes us directly back to Marx’s analysis of crises driven by over-accumulation. Marx argued that an economy becomes unstable when the mass of accumulated capital can no longer be profitably reinvested.

An overproduction of capital, he explained, occurs whenever additional investment fails to generate new surplus value. When surplus capital cannot profitably be absorbed through the production of goods, it is displaced into speculative outlets.

Tech investments mask economic weakness

Years of low interest rates and pandemic-era liquidity have swollen corporate balance sheets. Much of that liquidity has entered the technology sector, concentrating in the so-called “Magnificent Seven” — Amazon, Alphabet, Meta, Apple, Microsoft, Nvidia and Tesla. Without these firms, market performance would be negative.

This does not signal technological dynamism; it reflects capital concentrated in a narrow cluster of overvalued assets, functioning as “money thrown into circulation without a material basis in production” that circulates without any grounding in real economic activity.

The consequence of this is that less investment reaches the “real economy”, which fuels economic stagnation and the cost-of-living crisis, both of which remain obscured by the formal metric of GDP.

How AI became the latest fix

Economic geographer David Harvey extends Marx’s insight through the idea of the “spatio-temporal fix,” which refers to the way capital temporarily resolves stagnation by either pushing investment into the future or expanding into new territories.

Over-accumulation generates surpluses of labour, productive capacity and money capital, which cannot be absorbed without loss. These surpluses are then redirected into long-term projects that defer crises into new spaces that open fresh possibilities for extraction.

The AI boom functions as both a temporal and a spatial fix. As a temporal fix, it offers investors claims on future profitability that may never arrive — what Marx called “fictitious capital.” This is wealth that shows up on balance sheets despite having little basis in the real economy rooted in the production of goods.

Spatially, the expansion of data centres, chip manufacturing sites and mineral extraction zones requires enormous physical investment. These projects absorb capital while depending on new territories, new labour markets and new resource frontiers.

Yet as Altman’s admission suggests, and as U.S. President Donald Trump’s protectionist measures complicate global trade, these outlets are reaching their limits.

The costs of speculative capital

The consequences of over-accumulation extend far beyond firms and investors. They are experienced socially, not abstractly. Marx explained that an overproduction of capital corresponds to an overproduction of the means of production and necessities of life that cannot be used at existing rates of exploitation.

In other words, stagnant purchasing power prevents capital from being valorized at the pace it is being produced. As profitability declines, the economy resolves the imbalance by destroying the livelihoods of workers and households whose pensions are tied to equities.

History offers stark examples. The dot-com crash wiped out small investors and concentrated power in surviving firms. The 2008 financial crisis displaced millions from their homes while financial institutions were rescued.

Today, large asset managers are already hedging against potential turbulence. Vanguard, for instance, has shifted significantly toward fixed income.

Speculation drives growth

The AI bubble is primarily a symptom of structural pressures rather than purely a technological event. In the early 20th century, Marxist economist Rosa Luxemburg questioned where the continually increasing demand required for expanded reproduction would come from.

Her answer echoes Marx and Harvey: when productive outlets shrink, capital moves either outward or into speculation. The U.S. increasingly chooses the latter.

Corporate spending on AI infrastructure now contributes more to GDP growth than household consumption, an unprecedented inversion that shows how much growth is being driven by speculative investment rather than productive expansion.

This dynamic pulls down the rate of profit, and when the speculative flow reverses, contraction will follow.

Tariffs tighten the squeeze on capital

Financial inflation has intensified as the traditional pressure valves that once allowed capital to move into new physical or geographic markets have narrowed.

Tariffs, export controls on semiconductors and retaliatory trade measures have narrowed the global space available for relocation. Since capital cannot readily escape the structural pressures of the domestic economy, it increasingly turns to financial tools that postpone losses by rolling debt forward or inflating asset prices; mechanisms that ultimately heighten fragility when the reckoning comes.


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Reply #1358 - Dec 2nd, 2025 at 5:58pm
 
Karl Marx explained our current conundrum nearly 150 years ago: economist

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U.S. Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell’s openness to interest rate cuts signals a renewed turn toward cheap credit. Lower borrowing costs let capital paper over losses and pump up fresh speculative cycles.

Marx captured this logic in his analysis of interest-bearing capital, where finance generates claims on future production “above and beyond what can be realized in the form of commodities.”

The result is that households are pushed to take on more debt than they can manage, effectively swapping a crisis of stagnation for a crisis of consumer credit.

Bubbles and social risk

If the AI bubble bursts when governments have limited room to shift investment internationally and the economy is propped up by increasingly fragile credit, the consequences could be serious.

Capital will not disappear, but will instead concentrate in bond markets and credit instruments inflated by a U.S. central bank eager to cut interest rates. This does not avert crisis; it merely transfers the costs downward.

Bubbles are not accidents, but recurring mechanisms for absorbing surplus capital. If Trump’s protectionism ensures that spatial outlets continue to close and temporal fixes rely on ever riskier leverage, the system moves toward a cycle of asset inflation, collapse and renewed state intervention.

AI will survive, but the speculative bubble surrounding it is a sign of a deeper structural problem — the cost of which, when finally realized, will fall most heavily on the working class.


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Solution:

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/



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