Bobby. wrote on Nov 5
th, 2025 at 8:37pm:
Yet they will find $368 billion for 8 submarines - 3 of them 2nd hand. WTF?
How? - they will print money as they don't have that money.
First: all new money is created ex nihilo, whether (a) by issuance of debt-free money in the nation's treasury, or (b) by central bank 'money printing', or - as is the case for 90% of new money under the current system - (c) in private banks when they write loans (create credit) for credit-worthy customers.
(a) is currently illegal.
(b) is generally confined to economic emergencies like recessions (eg GFC) or pandemics (eg, covid-19).
Note: unlike (a), central bank-issued money is accounted as government debt, which must be repaid with interest to bond holders.
(c) represents money creation in the private sector - which, when borrowed (eg by you and me), must also be repaid with interest.
Now to your questions:
1. The $368 billion is issued over the time of the contract to deliver 8 submarines (2 decades?), so the annual impact on the government budget is managable.
Note:
Over the pandemic, Australian Government gross debt increased from $534.4 billion in March 2019 to $885.5 billion in April 2022 and is now at the highest level relative to GDP (gross domestic product) since the 1950s when debt accrued during the Second World War was still on the Australian Government balance sheetie c. $350 billion was added to government debt over 3 years of the pandemic, a bit less than the total submarine contract with funds to be spent over some decades.
The important thing is this "money printing" to which you allude is accounted by the bond holders who will finance the government debt.
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Now, to save the world's governments from democracy-wrecking 'austerity' caused by attempting to 'balance their budgets', governments will need to authorize
issuance of free pubic money via their national treasuries.
This will require
currency-issuing governments to manage overall
resource allocation, (while avoiding inflation) including by decreeing the resources required to deliver the
essentials for all (determined via a political choice of the electorate) ....which implies a smaller role for the private sector - in opposition to the current orthodoxy where the private sector plays the major role in the economy.
No doubt this is what Trump means by "communism".... though I doubt 'communist' Mamdani will be asking Trump to authorize funds issued via (a).