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Reply #1170 - May 27th, 2025 at 12:39pm
 
But the SMH's international editor Peter Hartcher zeroes-in on the wrong cause, like all mainstream macroeconomic ignoramuses  ....

(Sydney Morning Herald)

At debt’s door: US superpower is waning and Trump’s part of the problem

In short order, Donald Trump has inflicted deep damage to three of the unique sources of American superpower. And he’s on the very brink of shattering a fourth.

The US enjoyed the unique advantage of an alliance network of more than 40 countries. But an alliance is meaningless to Trump’s America. The US uniquely created and built the world trading system as a source of growth and prosperity. Trump is dismembering it.

The US uniquely held in check war between great powers through its military might and strategic credibility. Its might remains. But American credibility started to slide under Barack Obama and today approaches the point of extinction.

Trump’s threats and promises are worth nil. Russia ignores his threats to stop the war in Ukraine. China successfully called his bluff over tariffs. Trump claims to have stopped an escalating war between India and Pakistan, but they say he had nothing to do with it.

Two newborn acronyms, both coined in the finance world, tell the story. One, coined by Financial Times columnist Robert Armstrong this month, is TACO – Trump always chickens out. The other, first reported by The Wall Street Journal last week, conveys investor sentiment about where to put money. It’s ABUSA – anywhere but USA.

Now Trump is on the cusp of surrendering a fourth unique source of US superpower, and perhaps the single most important – America’s “full faith and credit”. That is, the ability to borrow cheaply, to spend lavishly and to enjoy the “exorbitant privilege” of issuing the global reserve currency.

China’s foreign ministry last month described Trump’s America as a “paper tiger”. Now even its paper – in the form of its Treasury bonds – is under challenge.

It’s no secret that the US has been building a vast national debt for years. Indeed, it’s literally up in lights in the form of debt clocks at multiple bus shelters around Washington, DC, courtesy of the Peterson Foundation. The clocks show US government debt at $US36 trillion and ticking higher by the minute. That’s about $US106,000 for every man, woman and child in that nation. Before the pandemic, US debt stood at the equivalent of about 100 per cent of America’s GDP. Today, it’s 122 per cent.

Some investors are starting to doubt that the US ever will repay it. The doubters include Trump himself. In 2023, he was asked about the risk of a US sovereign default. He replied: “You might as well do it now because you’ll do it later.”

The worry is that “later” has arrived. Eleven days ago, the credit rating agency Moody’s cut the US government’s creditworthiness – for the first time since 1919 – to second-tier.

Of the 200 countries in the world, only 10, plus the EU, are rated as risk-free by all three major credit agencies. The US is not among them. The AAA sovereigns are Australia, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Singapore, Sweden and Switzerland.

There are signs of growing anxiety in the markets. The US dollar has been sold off in the last week and bond interest rates bid up. And now comes the fiscal vandalism that Trump likes to call his “big beautiful” bill.

He’s half-right. It’s big, but it’d be ugly. The domestic politics of the bill are ugly enough. The poor get poorer through cuts to food stamps and Medicaid. The rich get richer; Trump’s tax cuts for high incomes and corporations get extended.

But that’s their country, their business. Where it gets ugly for the world is its effect on the federal debt. The technocrats of the Congressional Budget Office calculate that it would add about $US4 trillion to the debt over a decade.

The bill was passed narrowly by the House of Representatives and now goes to the Senate. If this is passed into law, market reaction will be critical. A sudden sell-off of US bonds would create a financial crisis with unpredictable consequences.

Peter Orszag, head of the US investment bank Lazard, previously director of the Congressional Budget Office, said this month that, in the past, he had ignored “all the Chicken Little, kind of, ‘the sky is falling’ fiscal stuff, because all the dire predictions were not happening. But if you compare where we are now to where we were a decade ago, it’s a lot different. The deficit is twice as high. Interest rates are dramatically higher. I think it’s time to worry again about this trajectory.”

So does the historian Niall Ferguson. In February, he proposed something he calls “Ferguson’s law”. It posits that “any great power that spends more on debt servicing than on defence risks ceasing to be a great power”.

He describes his proposed threshold as timely “as the US began violating Ferguson’s Law for the first time in nearly a century in 2024”. The Congressional Budget Office says that US net interest payments hit 3.1 per cent as a share of GDP last year, overtaking defence spending at 2.9 per cent.

Different agencies have slightly different estimates, but the broad point is that the US is now in Ferguson’s danger zone, which he calls “a useful predictor of the decline of a great power”.



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Reply #1171 - May 27th, 2025 at 12:50pm
 
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He also finds the “Ferguson limit” signals the internal fragility of a great power, as well as its external vulnerability. His paper for the Hoover Institution studies empires from the Habsburg to British to support his thesis.

Ferguson doesn’t claim that US collapse is inevitable at this point. But if its political system plunges ahead into ever-deeper debt, the risk of a market panic rises. And a chaotic sell-off could indeed seal the fate of empire. There’s an old market adage: “Deficits don’t matter. Until the day they do.”


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But Peter, deficits DON'T matter, provided the economy maintains full employment and low inflation (see previous post), AND the 'debt' is owed to the currency-issuing government itself.

What DOES matter (for a nation which wants to project power) is maintenance of a strategic industrial base - sadly let go of in the US under WTO trade rules, in favour of a fake financial economy based on the US dollar as the world's reserve currency.

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Reply #1172 - May 31st, 2025 at 4:49pm
 
Tertiary economics professors take note:

https://profstevekeen.substack.com/p/comments-on-entropy-economics-by?utm_source...

Comments on Entropy Economics by Galbraith and Chen

(first paragraph)

The greatest compliment that I can to give Entropy Economics is that the vast majority of today’s economists would not recognize it as a work on economics at all. There’s far too much about Nature in it! There’s nothing about how agents form their preferences! And there is no proof of the equilibrium conditions! Where’s the economics???

In other words, Entropy Economics is a work that develops at least part of the new paradigm that economics so desperately needs.

....

For people who are not economics professors,  but are nevertheless interested in learning how the economy actually works, here is a definition of "entropy":

entropy
/ˈɛntrəpi/
noun
1.
Physics
a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system.
eg "the second law of thermodynamics says that entropy always increases with time".

2.
lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder.
"a marketplace where entropy reigns supreme".


The 2nd is discounted by mainstream Neoclassical economists with their DSGE  models, as explored in this brilliant article by Keen.








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Reply #1173 - Jun 11th, 2025 at 10:37am
 
(The i Paper)

Why Trump could be headed for a ‘Liz Truss moment’ – and market turmoil
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....According to the mainstream 'balanced-budget' narrative.

Google it.

The article concludes with  this:

Truss urged Trump to 'stay the course'
©The i Paper
[i]Economist Andrew Lilico – who has defended Truss and argued that much of 2022’s turmoil was out of her control, also thinks it is “unlikely” that economic policy will be forced out of Trump’s hands. “Remember that a lot of Tory MPs hated Liz Truss in the first place,” said Lilico, executive director at Europe Economics. “I think Trump has an extensive base and is much more dominant.” Lilico warned that unknown “nasties” could be waiting to be triggered in the US financial sector, like the UK saw in 2022 with underlying problems in pension funds – if markets did react badly to Trump’s bill. “When you get significant market movements, that can expose other problems that have been hanging around for a while,” he said. “When you get volatility, it can tip things over the edge, and you get a broader failure.” Asked for comment, Truss’s representative pointed The i Paper to her recent editorial in the Washington Post. The former PM said her own dramatic experience had taught her the “sheer power of the globalist economic establishment and its allies in the political arena”. Truss also urged Trump to “stay the course” on cutting taxes.

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I'm with Truss: the US economy doesn't have to 'balance its budget' - provided the economy remains productive with full employment and low inflation.  Lower taxes will assist that outcome.

Unfortunately the real problem is Trump's tariffs (which ironically Trump thinks can replace taxes in the US) which indeed could cause an inflation-related recession in the US (and the world).

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Reply #1174 - Aug 14th, 2025 at 12:32am
 
I’m wondering if this is the correct thread to ask questions about investing in bitcoin via coinspot?
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I don’t care about Australians who are living in poverty or their businesses have gone bankrupt or those working hard and still struggling to survive.

BAN THE BURKA!

That’s fair more important!

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Reply #1175 - Aug 15th, 2025 at 12:03am
 
I’d like to thank you all for your none response.
I’m going to start my thread, nah nah
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I don’t care about Australians who are living in poverty or their businesses have gone bankrupt or those working hard and still struggling to survive.

BAN THE BURKA!

That’s fair more important!

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Reply #1176 - Aug 18th, 2025 at 12:50pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Aug 14th, 2025 at 12:32am:
I’m wondering if this is the correct thread to ask questions about investing in bitcoin via coinspot?


Not really.

MMT knows bitcoin is a ponzi scheme, fueled by a classical liberal mistrust of government, and misunderstanding of fiat currencies.

Note: the value of fiat currencies is based on a nation's productive capacity; bitcoin - like all ponzi schemes - is based, in this case,  on people's desires to escape government regulation, and the desire for speculative gains. Trump has attempted to reduce the speculative element via the 'Genius' act:

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"The GENIUS Act outlines comprehensive regulatory guardrails for stablecoins and stablecoin providers. The bill aims to establish clear rules for issuers and reserves while also protecting consumers and maintaining financial stability".21 July 2025

Hmm... government intervention again, in this case to protect private speculators like Daves2017....
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Reply #1177 - Aug 18th, 2025 at 1:09pm
 
https://email.telstra.com/app/mail/inbox/eyJNZXNzYWdlIjoiZXlKTllXbHNZbTk0SWpvaVp...

Money and Macroeconomics from First Principles for Elon Musk and Other Engineers

(Now available on Amazon in Kindle format)

The Elon Musk economic and political rocket took off in May 2024, when he formed The America PAC, to support Trump’s election campaign. It crashed just a year later, in May 2025, when he acrimoniously left the Trump administration, and threatened to unseat every Republican who voted for Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill”.

Whether or not there will be a second launch attempt, Musk’s approach to rocketry–that it is always best to reason from “first principles” rather than analogy–gave me a useful hook for this book: what would macroeconomics look like if economists reasoned from first principles?

First Principles thinking leads to an economics that is nothing like mainstream economics.

By starting from the rules of double-entry bookkeeping–which are the fundamentals of banking–it is obvious that bank loans create money. This is still a heresy in mainstream economics, which pretends that banks are mere “intermediaries”.

(graph not shown here)

Credit–which mainstream economists also ignore–was the cause of the Global Financial Crisis.

(graph ditto)

By starting from strictly true macroeconomic definitions, it is obvious that
the economy is inherently cyclical

(graph ditto)

Private debt plays a critical role in a market economy, and can lead to “debt-deflations” if unchecked.

(graph ditto)

Government deficit spending checks the tendency to debt-deflation.

(graph ditto)

The core cause of inflation is not money supply growth, but struggles over the distribution of income.

(graph ditto)

By starting from the fundamental principles of thermodynamics, it is obvious that GDP is fundamentally energy turned into useful work–so that the concept of “decoupling” of GDP from energy use is a fantasy.

(graph ditto)


Musk may no longer be relevant to this economic debate. He seems to have stepped back from his most aggressive stances on the government deficit--or at least he's not posting much about it on Twitter. But his views are widely held amongst the public, mainstream economists and government advisors. This book provides first principles proof that Musk should stick to rocketry, while the conventional wisdom on money and macroeconomics is utterly wrong--and there is an alternative, which I outline.

It’s time that engineers, with their “first principles” approach to problems, and their familiarity with dynamic methods, took over economic from mainstream “Neoclassical” economists, who impose the fantasy of equilibrium on their models and ignore the manifest instability of the real world.








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Reply #1178 - Aug 18th, 2025 at 4:05pm
 
While the mainstream post-Keynesian economists are wrong on government debt, their fears re tariffs are beginning to be vindicated:

(Alternet)

'Kick in the teeth': Key indicator comes in ‘scorching hot’ just as Trump tariffs hit

A leading inflation indicator surged much more than expected last month, just as the impact of U.S. President Donald Trump's tariffs started to weigh on American businesses and consumers.

New Producer Price Index (PPI) numbers released on Thursday showed that wholesale prices rose by 0.9% over the last month and by 3.3% over the last year. These numbers were significantly higher than economists' consensus estimates of a 0.2% monthly rise and a 2.5% yearly rise in producer prices.

PPI is a leading indicator of future readings of the Consumer Price Index, the most widely cited gauge of inflation, as increases in wholesalers' prices almost inevitably get passed on to consumers. Economists have been predicting for months that Trump's tariffs on imported goods, which at the moment are higher than at any point in nearly 100 years, would lead to a spike in inflation.

Reacting to the higher-than-expected PPI number, some economic experts pinned the blame directly on the president.

"So much for foreigners paying tariffs," commented Joseph Brusuelas, chief economist at tax consulting firm RSM US, on X. "If they did, PPI would be falling. Wholesale prices up 3.3% from a year ago and 3.7% in the core. The temperature is definitely rising in the core. This implies a hot PCE reading lies ahead."

Liz Pancotti, the managing director of policy and advocacy at the Groundwork Collaborative, took a deep dive into the numbers and found that Trump's tariffs were having an impact on a wide range of products.

"There is no mistaking it: President Trump's tariffs are hitting American farmers and driving up grocery prices for American families," she said. "Wholesale prices for grocery staples, like fresh vegetables (up 39% over the past month) and coffee (up 29% over the past year) are rising, squeezing American families even further in the checkout line."

Pancotti singled out the rise in milk prices as particularly worrisome for American families.

"Milk drove more than 30% of the increase in prices for unprocessed goods, rising by 9.1% in just the past month," she explained. "Tuesday's CPI print showed that milk prices rose by 1.9% in July, and this PPI data suggests further price hikes are on the way."

Betsey Stevenson, who served on former President Barack Obama's Council of Economic Advisers, also pointed the finger at Trump's policies.

"Tariffs will cause higher prices," she said. "Volatility and uncertainty will cause higher prices. The PPI jump is not a surprise, it was inevitable."

On his Bluesky account, CNBC's Carl Quintanilla flagged analysis from economic research firm High Frequency Economics stating that the new PPI numbers were "a kick in the teeth for anyone who thought that tariffs would not impact domestic prices in the United States economy."

The firm added that it "will not be a long journey for producers' prices to translate into consumer prices" in the coming months.

Liz Thomas, the head of investment strategy at finance company SoFi, argued that the hot PPI numbers could further frustrate Trump's goal of getting the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates given that doing so would almost certainly boost inflation further.

"The increase in PPI was driven by services, and there were increases in general services costs and in the Trade component (i.e., wholesale/retail margins)," she commented. "The Fed won't like this report."

Ross Hendricks, an analyst at economic research firm Porter & Co., described the new report as "scorching hot" and similarly speculated that it would stop the Federal Reserve from cutting rates.

"Good luck with them rate cuts!" he wrote. "Can't recall the last time we've seen a miss that big on a single monthly inflation number."

Hedge fund manager and author Jeff Macke jokingly speculated that the bad PPI print would cause Trump to fire yet another government statistician just as he fired Erika McEntarfer, the former commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

"Whoever compiles the PPI needs to update their CV," he wrote.


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Oh dear...and the midterm elections are still a way off, with leading economic indicators only likely to get worse...



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Reply #1179 - Aug 18th, 2025 at 4:34pm
 

The Govts in Australia Federal and the States are all desperate for tax money.
They spend far more than they take in.
They have all increased public service employees to record numbers.
They have allowed millions of people to immigrate here which has put
huge pressure on: housing, hospitals, schools, roads, rail and water infrastructure etc.
they have made enormous defence commitments -
$268 billion for 8 subs paying between 5 and 7 times the usual price.
$80 billion should have covered the cost.
Blame Scomo and Albo.
They put us into $1 trillion of Federal debt and about half again in State debt.

We're gunna have to pay for it - taxes will go up a lot more.
They will borrow more too and they will print money
causing high inflation making Super worthless.
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Reply #1180 - Aug 18th, 2025 at 5:21pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 18th, 2025 at 4:34pm:
The Govts in Australia Federal and the States are all desperate for tax money.


Correct - because thery are forced to reduce taxes to get elected.

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They spend far more than they take in.


Resulting in increasing government debt - which is NOT a problem for a currency-issuing government, PROVIDED the spending increases productive efficiency and capacity, and avoids inflation....

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They have all increased public service employees to record numbers.
They have allowed millions of people to immigrate here which has put
huge pressure on: housing, hospitals, schools, roads, rail and water infrastructure etc.


Same as above, for public service employees; as for immigrants, of course houses should exist for everyone BEFORE a housing supply crisis occurs.

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they have made enormous defence commitments -
$268 billion for 8 subs paying between 5 and 7 times the usual price.
$80 billion should have covered the cost.
Blame Scomo and Albo.


And refusal of citizens to support UN machinery to eliminate war - we are all to blame. 

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They put us into $1 trillion of Federal debt and about half again in State debt.


Well...covid was responsible for a large part of that; but the currency-issuing federal government has no purely financial constraints (by definition), it has a RESOURCE constraint;  and so long as state debt was accrued to develop necessary productivity improving  infrastucture etc, state treasurers can send the bill to the federal government with its Oz currency-issuing treasury.

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We're gunna have to pay for it - taxes will go up a lot more.
They will borrow more too and they will print money
causing high inflation making Super worthless.


That's what you get for slavishly  following delusional mainstream Neoclassical economists - see the latest post from prof Steve Keen above.

And government spending eg on public housing and education and productivity-enhancing infrastructure -  need not cause inflation, as addressed above.

eg if the federal government subcontracted the private-sector building industry for a period of time, thereby avoiding inflation caused by competition with private sector resources, and funded by free treasury-created money, the effect would result in the double benefit of housing everyone (in public OR private housing), resulting in massive productivity gains as people gain the security to  learn and advance,  and house prices cease rising as the government increases supply for free.

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Reply #1181 - Aug 18th, 2025 at 9:30pm
 
GDR wrote:
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Correct - because they are forced to reduce taxes to get elected.


But inflation caused by printing money is also a tax.


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Resulting in increasing government debt -
which is NOT a problem for a currency-issuing government,
PROVIDED the spending increases productive efficiency and capacity, and avoids inflation....


But we have massive inflation -
have you been to the supermarket lately?
Every other bill you pay has gone up heaps.


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Same as above, for public service employees; as for immigrants,
of course houses should exist for everyone BEFORE a housing supply crisis occurs.


But that didn't happen.
Millions more immigrants are on their way.
Where will they live?


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And refusal of citizens to support UN machinery to eliminate war - we are all to blame.


I agree that we have no arms reduction treaties anywhere in the world.
Every country is building up massive amounts of weapons.
It's shocking.


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Well...covid was responsible for a large part of that


The politicians over reacted as though Covid was like the Black Plague
with a 50% mortality rate
when it was actually about 0.1%


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eg if the federal government subcontracted the private-sector building industry


That sounds like Marxism?

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Reply #1182 - Aug 19th, 2025 at 2:40pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 18th, 2025 at 9:30pm:
TGD  wrote:
Correct - because they are forced to reduce taxes to get elected.

But inflation caused by printing money is also a tax.


You continue to ignore the fact "printing money" need not cause inflation, as I explained in the rest of my post.

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But we have massive inflation -
have you been to the supermarket lately?
Every other bill you pay has gone up heaps.


That "massive" inflation (which is now back down to 2-3%) was caused by

1. supply chain disruptions caused by covid, including extended illness among some workers.

2. later,  the Ukraine war, affecting energy and food costs.

3. Companies attempting to maintain profits amid rising production costs.

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But that didn't happen.
Millions more immigrants are on their way.
Where will they live?


It didn't happen because governments abandoned Keynesian deficit spending after the Arab oil embarbo in the 70s, and handed supply of housing to the private sector - resulting in the current housing crisis.

And of course you - a Western classical liberal ideologue - bleat about "Marxism", when the solution is staring you in the face; govt. subcontracts the nation's building industry for free  (ie funded by "debt-free money printing"), thereby housing everyone AND reducing inflation caused by high interest, housing and rental costs.

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I agree that we have no arms reduction treaties anywhere in the world.
Every country is building up massive amounts of weapons.
It's shocking.


Yes.

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The politicians over reacted as though Covid was like the Black Plague
with a 50% mortality ratewhen it was actually about 0.1%


No one knew how bad it would be in Febuary 2020, at the start of the pandemic when we saw pictures of people dying in the streets overseas.

Government was forced to lock-down the economy. 

Unfortunately, government (treasury and central bank) didn't "print free money" to pay essential bills of locked-down workers, it "printed debt money" which the govt. pretended has to be repaid to bondholders (in this case, the central bank).

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That sounds like Marxism?


Addressed above; start exercising your brain instead of reacting, in a Pavlov dog manner, to ideas capable of solving the problem.

See the idiocy of denying the govt. the capacity to "print" debt-free money, when steps have been taken to avoid inflation - in this case by subcontracting the buliding industry (to avoid inflation caused by competition with the private sector) for a period of time? 

Note: public money in MMT is debt free money available to government for specific non-inflationary spending, not private-sector money created in private banks, money which you and I use - which must be earned or borrowed and repaid with interest.


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Reply #1183 - Aug 20th, 2025 at 11:18am
 
Great video:

https://youtu.be/KnkDdbpm_fQ

Steve explains why hedge fund manager Ray Dalio is correct  on credit, ie, banks create money 'ex nihilo'  when they write loans for (hopefully) credit-worthy customers.

As opposed to the mainstream text books which teach that banks lend depositors' money.
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Reply #1184 - Aug 20th, 2025 at 11:23am
 
And here Steve explains why Ray Dalio is wrong to claim the US will go broke because of the growing US debt.

https://youtu.be/KnkDdbpm_fQ
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