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Reply #105 - Apr 9th, 2022 at 2:45pm
 
Too many things to unpack for now.

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Indeed! And MMT offers the solution, since MMT can avoid inflation.

Your solution to the current unsustainable public and private  indebtedness,  enforced by the current crop of banksters?



Stop printing money.
Govts should not be allowed to have deficit budgets by law!
The Libbos new budget calls for deficits for the next 10 years!
Even that's a dream - it will be for the next 100 years
if our economy lasts that long.

We must live within our means.
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Reply #106 - Apr 9th, 2022 at 4:38pm
 
Deficit budgets are the norm and so they should—it increases the size of the economy.

A Budget regularly in surplus is continually taking money out of the economy.

The Great Depression and WWII debt were paid off with no Budget surplus being achieved.
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Reply #107 - Apr 9th, 2022 at 9:01pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9th, 2022 at 4:38pm:
Deficit budgets are the norm and so they should—it increases the size of the economy.

A Budget regularly in surplus is continually taking money out of the economy.

The Great Depression and WWII debt were paid off with no Budget surplus being achieved.



What would you know Monk?
Tell that to people in Zimbabwe:

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Reply #108 - Apr 9th, 2022 at 10:22pm
 
What caused hyperinflation in Zimbabwe, the Weimar Republic etc?
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Reply #109 - Apr 9th, 2022 at 10:27pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9th, 2022 at 10:22pm:
What caused hyperinflation in Zimbabwe, the Weimar Republic etc?



Can't you read?

Money printing.
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Reply #110 - Apr 9th, 2022 at 10:32pm
 
No, not money printing. As I said, budgets aim to be in deficit not surplus.
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Reply #111 - Apr 9th, 2022 at 10:35pm
 
Alan Kohler's take on options for government, given that economic flat-earthers (rejecting MMT)  are still  in control of the treasury and reserve bank: 

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/04/07/tax-more-happiness-al...
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Reply #112 - Apr 9th, 2022 at 10:46pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 9th, 2022 at 10:35pm:
Alan Kohler's take on options for government, given that economic flat-earthers (rejecting MMT)  are still  in control of the treasury and reserve bank: 

https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/finance-news/2022/04/07/tax-more-happiness-al...



So the answer is more tax?

How about living within our means?
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Reply #113 - Apr 9th, 2022 at 11:34pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2022 at 2:45pm:
Too many things to unpack for now.


Yeh......

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Stop printing money.


But as your video proved, if banks stop issuing 'debt money' ,  money eventually runs out because interest on the debt has to be repaid (in our current evil system, as explained in YOUR video). 

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Govts should not be allowed to have deficit budgets by law!


In MMT, currency-issuing governments do not NEED to deficit spend; the constraint for such governments is resources, not money.

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The Libbos new budget calls for deficits for the next 10 years!


Owing to the present evil debt-money system, which forces  both government and private sector players  to pay interest on debt money (did YOU watch your video....?); but the currency-issuing government should NOT be forced to do this, so long as resources are available to (for example) train and provide  teachers, age and disability care workers, and builders to build the required stock of public housing.

See Alan Kohler's article (post #111) on the funding task  facing governments both Left and Right, in the coming years.

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Even that's a dream - it will be for the next 100 years if our economy lasts that long.


Given advancing productivity associated with developing AI and IT, our economies will last if available resources are well-managed.
Your debt and deficit hang up is obsolete flat-earth economics. 

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We must live within our means.
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Read Kohler's article (post #111); he's got bad news for you, unless you are prepared to pay much higher taxes in the coming decades. 
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Reply #114 - Apr 9th, 2022 at 11:45pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2022 at 10:46pm:
So the answer is more tax?


Yes, as explained by Alan Kohler (without a MMT-literate government , as noted by Kohler)

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How about living within our means?


Er, elderly people are already lying in their own faeces in understaffed nursing homes ( as per the royal commission into aged care) ....be careful how you define "living within  our means" - you might be in a nursing home one day.....


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Reply #115 - Apr 9th, 2022 at 11:45pm
 
Hi TGD,
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our economies will last if available resources are well-managed.


You seem to be hung up on resources.
The richest continent on earth is Africa.
You name it and they have it:
gold, diamonds, oil, coal, minerals including rare earth minerals.
including sugar, salt, iron, cobalt, uranium, copper,
bauxite, silver, petroleum, and cocoa beans, but also tropical timber and tropical fruit......
Super rich soil and abundant rainfall for producing
enormous quantities of food.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_resources_of_Africa

Those resources have led Africans to be the
poorest group of nations on earth.
It's full of 3rd world starving people.
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Reply #116 - Apr 9th, 2022 at 11:49pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 9th, 2022 at 4:38pm:
Deficit budgets are the norm and so they should—it increases the size of the economy.

A Budget regularly in surplus is continually taking money out of the economy.

The Great Depression and WWII debt were paid off with no Budget surplus being achieved.


Correct; have you studied MMT?

In fact (simply put),  the government's deficit is the private sector's surplus.
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Reply #117 - Apr 10th, 2022 at 12:05am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2022 at 11:45pm:
You seem to be hung up on resources.


That's because proper resource mobilization  is the key to our prosperity, not artificial money which is made out of nothing, as YOUR video patiently explained, and which has gone right over your head. 


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The richest continent on earth is Africa.
You name it and they have it:
gold, diamonds, oil, coal, minerals including rare earth minerals.


Correct, all controlled and exploited  by colonial capital which  charges interest on everything that moves - as patiently explained in YOUR video, so that the profits of resource development go to global capital, not to African workers.

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including sugar, salt, iron, cobalt, uranium, copper,
bauxite, silver, petroleum, and cocoa beans, but also tropical timber and tropical fruit......
Super rich soil and abundant rainfall for producing
enormous quantities of food.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_resources_of_Africa


Yes, all exploited by evil private financiers who worked out how to create never ending debt money requiring ever increasing interest payments; that's why most African countries are (or end up) in the clutches of the IMF (Instant Misery Fund) run by the evil financiers exposed in YOUR video. 

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Those resources have led Africans to be the
poorest group of nations on earth.
It's full of 3rd world starving people.


And now you know why; and indeed, why Oz itself -which has all the resources needed to house, clothe and feed (and employ) all 26 million citizens (the pop. of a large chinese city) - is scarred by public homelessness, in all its major cities.   
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Re: Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)
Reply #118 - Apr 10th, 2022 at 12:10am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 10th, 2022 at 12:05am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 9th, 2022 at 11:45pm:
You seem to be hung up on resources.


That's because proper resource mobilization  is the key to our prosperity, not artificial money which is made out of nothing, as YOUR video patiently explained, and which has gone right over your head. 


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The richest continent on earth is Africa.
You name it and they have it:
gold, diamonds, oil, coal, minerals including rare earth minerals.


Correct, all controlled and exploited  by colonial capital which  charges interest on everything that moves - as patiently explained in YOUR video, so that the profits of resource development go to global capital, not to African workers.

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including sugar, salt, iron, cobalt, uranium, copper,
bauxite, silver, petroleum, and cocoa beans, but also tropical timber and tropical fruit......
Super rich soil and abundant rainfall for producing
enormous quantities of food.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_resources_of_Africa


Yes, all exploited by evil private financiers who worked out how to create never ending debt money requiring ever increasing interest payments; that's why most African countries are (or end up) in the clutches of the IMF (Instant Misery Fund) run by the evil financiers exposed in YOUR video. 

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Those resources have led Africans to be the
poorest group of nations on earth.
It's full of 3rd world starving people.


And now you know why; and indeed, why Oz itself -which has all the resources needed to house, clothe and feed (and employ) all 26 million citizens (the pop. of a large chinese city) - is scarred by public homelessness, in all its major cities.   



Maybe the bankers need to be put on trial?

Note: when Mugabe kicked all the Whites out of
Rhodesia and called it Zimbabwe it went down the toilet?
So getting rid of all those White bankers didn't work.
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Reply #119 - Apr 10th, 2022 at 1:01am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2022 at 12:10am:
Maybe the bankers need to be put on trial?


No, the debt-money system itself needs to be changed, as patiently explained in your video.

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Note: when Mugabe kicked all the Whites out of
Rhodesia and called it Zimbabwe it went down the toilet?


Mugabe kicked all the white farmers (not bankers)  off their farms (which occupied land stolen  by white colonialists  in the 19th century)....and Zimbabwe "went down the toilet" because the black tenants who were allocated the confiscated farms had no idea how to farm....

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So getting rid of all those White bankers didn't work.


Nothing to do with the white bankers who were not 'got rid of', - though they like all bankers  are part of an evil debt-money system ravaging the whole world, as explained at length  in your video. 
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