freediver wrote on Jan 12
th, 2026 at 3:55pm:
Quote:I don't know: perhaps you can tell us; the important thing is covid caused numerous deaths everywhere until vaccines and exposure to the virus reduced the death rate.
I am not the one claiming to know how many Chinese people died of Covid. I think the CCP put more effort into covering up the initial outbreak, then covering up their mismanagement of the initial outbreak, than trying to prevent it or figure out how many people died.
My point is, this is not good management. Once more, people died because of the CCP's incompetence and self interest. All that the CCP has learned from the 100 million or so people it has killed is that it does not need good governance, merely good propaganda. You yourself are a good demonstration of how well that propaganda is working. You swallow it without question. It never even occurred to you that the CCP would by lying to you about the number of deaths, and lying to themselves about the number of deaths, and as a result of their lies and cover-ups have no way of even knowing how many people died. They followed the exact same pattern as with the great Chinese famine. The CCP's lies and propaganda are still killing the Chinese people. And the CCP is still lying to itself and to the Chinese people about how well it is doing. Even your constant efforts to compare it with the US death toll has eerie parallels to the propaganda from the Great Chinese Famine. Even while tens of millions of Chinese people were starving to death, the CCP still managed to convince them to feel sorry for the poor hungry Americans. You are falling for pretty much the exact same propaganda and lies the CCP has been spinning for decades.
Your BS about the vaccine is completely wrong. Putting the lockdown in place before the Chinese people travelled home for lunar new year, rather than after, or even earlier, would have probably saved millions of lives. You are the one harping on about the CCP's crackdown after the horse had bolted and how wonderful it was that they welded people into their apartment buildings to stop the virus spread. Now you do a complete backflip and say that is not the important response, waiting for the vaccine is.
The important thing to remember is that the Chinese Communist Party does not believe in god governance. It believes in good propaganda, and will tolerate incompetence and lies, even if the consequence is millions of dead people. The important thing to remember is that the CCP does not believe in peace, it believes in killing as many people as it can to invade Taiwan, and will change the very definition of the word peace to make that happen. And you will eagerly swallow their load.
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 12
th, 2026 at 4:28pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 12
th, 2026 at 3:55pm:
Quote:I don't know: perhaps you can tell us; the important thing is covid caused numerous deaths everywhere until vaccines and exposure to the virus reduced the death rate.
I am not the one claiming to know how many Chinese people died of Covid.
Your error: you have now changed from demanding stats for a particular time
frame; a short period which you think bolsters your arguement about authoritarian 'secrecy', presumably because the authorities wanted to deny the pandemic was indeed serious.
How can you possibly know either the total Chinese death toll from covid, or the death toll during the early period when the CCP was trying to cover up the outbreak by jailing journalists and doctors for trying to warn people about the outbreak, without knowing the death toll during the early period?
Did you forget to qualify you Chinese covid death toll with "this only covers the period after the CCP stopped lying to everyone about the outbreak"?
How many millions of people do you think would be alive today if the CCP had put the travel bans in place before Chinese new year, rather than waiting until after, when many people travel home for the holidays?
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