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Reply #330 - Feb 26th, 2022 at 7:50pm
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 7:49pm:
Jim Lahey wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 7:46pm:
I'd like to know what the pay rate is per post?


Looking for a new job?


yeah
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Reply #331 - Feb 26th, 2022 at 7:51pm
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 7:49pm:
Jim Lahey wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 7:46pm:
I'd like to know what the pay rate is per post?


Looking for a new job?


I'll send my resume to Athos. He's our man in China.
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Reply #332 - Feb 26th, 2022 at 8:21pm
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 7:39pm:
I wonder if we post a bunch of Tiananmen stuff here, add a bit of Tibet with a good squeeze of Xinjiang, the great firewall of China might block Athos and thegreatdivide from reading here. All they'd get is a :

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 1:04pm:
Link is dead.



Let's go, Brandon!!! (Fcck Xi)
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Reply #333 - Feb 26th, 2022 at 10:17pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 6:29pm:
That was a war - not suppressing a protest.... how many people did China kill in wars?

"During Chinese People's War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression, more than 1.5 million Japanese soldiers were killed or wounded in China,"


The topic was Xi, not leaders before him.

And GW Bush has infinitely more blood on his hands  than Xi.
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Reply #334 - Feb 26th, 2022 at 10:23pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 6:33pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 1:04pm:
Jim Lahey wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 12:45pm:
Err, you live in a 1 party dictatorship....

your government kills its own people for disagreeing.

How many people has Xi had disappeared?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre 


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Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
You fccn STOOGE!!!!!!!!


There's somthing ... wrong..... with a poster who asks how many people has Xi disappeared, and then posts a link (dead or otherwise) to Tiananmen Square.


Whereas we do know how many deaths GW is responsible for, in his illegal Iraq war.





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Reply #335 - Feb 26th, 2022 at 10:29pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 8:21pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 7:39pm:
I wonder if we post a bunch of Tiananmen stuff here, add a bit of Tibet with a good squeeze of Xinjiang, the great firewall of China might block Athos and thegreatdivide from reading here. All they'd get is a :

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 1:04pm:
Link is dead.


Let's go, Brandon!!! (Fcck Xi)


Pity it means fcck Biden - such is the solidarity of the 'beacon of democracy', a hyper-partisan rabble bringing democracy into disrepute around the globe.

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Reply #336 - Feb 27th, 2022 at 1:39am
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 6:27pm:
Jim Lahey wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 6:09pm:
Thank you Setanta. was worried my friend wasn't going to be able to read it.


That's only the beginning of it as you will notice, I thought of attaching a PDF of the whole page for him but alas it's too big. I suppose uploading it to some anon upload site and pasting a link would work. I wonder how many 50c posts he will be fined for reading it or do you think he'd be re-educated?


His response said it all - link is dead.

That post needs to be framed.
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Reply #337 - Feb 27th, 2022 at 1:58am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 10:23pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 6:33pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 1:04pm:
Jim Lahey wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 12:45pm:
Err, you live in a 1 party dictatorship....

your government kills its own people for disagreeing.

How many people has Xi had disappeared?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre 


Link is dead
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Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
You fccn STOOGE!!!!!!!!


There's somthing ... wrong..... with a poster who asks how many people has Xi disappeared, and then posts a link (dead or otherwise) to Tiananmen Square.


Whereas we do know how many deaths GW is responsible for, in his illegal Iraq war.





About 3 weeks ago I asked you what you thought happened at Tiananmen Square.

You had no trouble answering me then.


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Reply #338 - Feb 27th, 2022 at 2:00am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 10:17pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 6:29pm:
That was a war - not suppressing a protest.... how many people did China kill in wars?

"During Chinese People's War of Resistance Against Japanese Aggression, more than 1.5 million Japanese soldiers were killed or wounded in China,"


The topic was Xi, not leaders before him.

And GW Bush has infinitely more blood on his hands  than Xi.


The topic isn't GW Bush either.
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Reply #339 - Feb 27th, 2022 at 2:06am
 
Could everyone please read this :

Let me know what you think.

https://www.propublica.org/article/leaked-documents-show-how-chinas-army-of-paid...
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Reply #340 - Feb 27th, 2022 at 2:09am
 
Leaked Documents Show How China’s Army of Paid Internet Trolls Helped Censor the Coronavirus
As the coronavirus spread in China, the government stage-managed what appeared on the domestic internet to make the virus look less severe and the authorities more capable, according to thousands of leaked directives and other files.

In the early hours of Feb. 7, China’s powerful internet censors experienced an unfamiliar and deeply unsettling sensation. They felt they were losing control.

The news was spreading quickly that Li Wenliang, a doctor who had warned about a strange new viral outbreak only to be threatened by the police and accused of peddling rumors, had died of COVID-19. Grief and fury coursed through social media. To people at home and abroad, Li’s death showed the terrible cost of the Chinese government’s instinct to suppress inconvenient information.

Yet China’s censors decided to double down. Warning of the “unprecedented challenge” Li’s passing had posed and the “butterfly effect” it may have set off, officials got to work suppressing the inconvenient news and reclaiming the narrative, according to confidential directives sent to local propaganda workers and news outlets.

They ordered news websites not to issue push notifications alerting readers to his death. They told social platforms to gradually remove his name from trending topics pages. And they activated legions of fake online commenters to flood social sites with distracting chatter, stressing the need for discretion: “As commenters fight to guide public opinion, they must conceal their identity, avoid crude patriotism and sarcastic praise, and be sleek and silent in achieving results.”

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Reply #341 - Feb 27th, 2022 at 2:10am
 
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Continued....

The orders were among thousands of secret government directives and other documents that were reviewed by The New York Times and ProPublica. They lay bare in extraordinary detail the systems that helped the Chinese authorities shape online opinion during the pandemic.

At a time when digital media is deepening social divides in Western democracies, China is manipulating online discourse to enforce the Communist Party’s consensus. To stage-manage what appeared on the Chinese internet early this year, the authorities issued strict commands on the content and tone of news coverage, directed paid trolls to inundate social media with party-line blather and deployed security forces to muzzle unsanctioned voices.

Though China makes no secret of its belief in rigid internet controls, the documents convey just how much behind-the-scenes effort is involved in maintaining a tight grip. It takes an enormous bureaucracy, armies of people, specialized technology made by private contractors, the constant monitoring of digital news outlets and social media platforms — and, presumably, lots of money.

It is much more than simply flipping a switch to block certain unwelcome ideas, images or pieces of news.

China’s curbs on information about the outbreak started in early January, before the novel coronavirus had even been identified definitively, the documents show. When infections started spreading rapidly a few weeks later, the authorities clamped down on anything that cast China’s response in too “negative” a light.

The United States and other countries have for months accused China of trying to hide the extent of the outbreak in its early stages. It may never be clear whether a freer flow of information from China would have prevented the outbreak from morphing into a raging global health calamity. But the documents indicate that Chinese officials tried to steer the narrative not only to prevent panic and debunk damaging falsehoods domestically. They also wanted to make the virus look less severe — and the authorities more capable — as the rest of the world was watching.

The documents include more than 3,200 directives and 1,800 memos and other files from the offices of the country’s internet regulator, the Cyberspace Administration of China, in the eastern city of Hangzhou. They also include internal files and computer code from a Chinese company, Urun Big Data Services, that makes software used by local governments to monitor internet discussion and manage armies of online commenters.

“China has a politically weaponized system of censorship; it is refined, organized, coordinated and supported by the state’s resources,” said Xiao Qiang, a research scientist at the School of Information at the University of California, Berkeley, and the founder of China Digital Times. “It’s not just for deleting something. They also have a powerful apparatus to construct a narrative and aim it at any target with huge scale.”

“This is a huge thing,” he added. “No other country has that.”


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Reply #343 - Feb 27th, 2022 at 2:25am
 
OMG!!! I can't believe just how shocking this is!



Controlling a Narrative

China’s top leader, Xi Jinping, created the Cyberspace Administration of China in 2014 to centralize the management of internet censorship and propaganda as well as other aspects of digital policy. Today, the agency reports to the Communist Party’s powerful Central Committee, a sign of its importance to the leadership.

The CAC’s coronavirus controls began in the first week of January. An agency directive ordered news websites to use only government-published material and not to draw any parallels with the deadly SARS outbreak in China and elsewhere that began in 2002, even as the World Health Organization was noting the similarities.

At the start of February, a high-level meeting led by Xi called for tighter management of digital media, and the CAC’s offices across the country swung into action. A directive in Zhejiang Province, whose capital is Hangzhou, said the agency should not only control the message within China, but also seek to “actively influence international opinion.”

Agency workers began receiving links to virus-related articles that they were to promote on local news aggregators and social media. Directives specified which links should be featured on news sites’ home screens, how many hours they should remain online and even which headlines should appear in boldface.

Online reports should play up the heroic efforts by local medical workers dispatched to Wuhan, the Chinese city where the virus was first reported, as well as the vital contributions of Communist Party members, the agency’s orders said.

Headlines should steer clear of the words “incurable” and “fatal,” one directive said, “to avoid causing societal panic.” When covering restrictions on movement and travel, the word “lockdown” should not be used, said another. Multiple directives emphasized that “negative” news about the virus was not to be promoted.

Severe Crackdown”

The death of Li, the doctor in Wuhan, loosed a geyser of emotion that threatened to tear Chinese social media out from under the CAC’s control.

It did not help when the agency’s gag order leaked onto Weibo, a popular Twitter-like platform, fueling further anger. Thousands of people flooded Li’s Weibo account with comments.

The agency had little choice but to permit expressions of grief, though only to a point. If anyone was sensationalizing the story to generate online traffic, their account should be dealt with “severely,” one directive said.

The day after Li’s death, a directive included a sample of material that was deemed to be “taking advantage of this incident to stir up public opinion”: a video interview in which Li’s mother reminisces tearfully about her son.

The scrutiny did not let up in the days that followed. “Pay particular attention to posts with pictures of candles, people wearing masks, an entirely black image or other efforts to escalate or hype the incident,” read an agency directive to local offices.

Larger numbers of online memorials began to disappear. The police detained several people who formed groups to archive deleted posts.

In Hangzhou, propaganda workers on round-the-clock shifts wrote up reports describing how they were ensuring people saw nothing that contradicted the soothing message from the Communist Party: that it had the virus firmly under control.

Officials in one district reported that workers in their employ had posted online comments that were read more than 40,000 times, “effectively eliminating city residents’ panic.” Workers in another county boasted of their “severe crackdown” on what they called rumors: 16 people had been investigated by the police, 14 given warnings and two detained. One district said it had 1,500 “cybersoldiers” monitoring closed chat groups on WeChat, the popular social app.

Researchers have estimated that hundreds of thousands of people in China work part-time to post comments and share content that reinforces state ideology. Many of them are low-level employees at government departments and party organizations. Universities have recruited students and teachers for the task. Local governments have held training sessions for them.

Engineers of the Troll

Government departments in China have a variety of specialized software at their disposal to shape what the public sees online.

One maker of such software, Urun, has won at least two dozen contracts with local agencies and state-owned enterprises since 2016, government procurement records show. According to an analysis of computer code and documents from Urun, the company’s products can track online trends, coordinate censorship activity and manage fake social media accounts for posting comments.

One Urun software system gives government workers a slick, easy-to-use interface for quickly adding likes to posts. Managers can use the system to assign specific tasks to commenters. The software can also track how many tasks a commenter has completed and how much that person should be paid.

According to one document describing the software, commenters in the southern city of Guangzhou are paid $25 for an original post of longer than 400 characters. Flagging a negative comment for deletion earns them 40 cents. Reposts are worth one cent apiece.

Urun makes a smartphone app that streamlines their work. They receive tasks, post the requisite comments from their personal social media accounts, then upload their completed work
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Reply #344 - Feb 27th, 2022 at 6:51am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 26th, 2022 at 5:45pm:


Anglobrotherhood fake news media.
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Do we need to be always politically correct.
In the world of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
 
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