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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #495 - Today at 1:30pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:05pm:
Private business risks exist alongside the risks of free market failure.


And also Government failure, failure to address critical problems, failure to hold lease sales, etc.

Whereas private business risks its own money. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:05pm:
But Neoclassical 'austerity' dogma, creating billionaires while the working class everywhere are now experiencing a cost of living crisis, is the worst kind of dogma. 


But your assertion doesn't hold water. IF they are not infallible, they must be fallible. And yet your position is one that says only they have the answer. The two positions are diametrically opposed. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:05pm:
You avoided addressing the negative outcomes of  unregulated competition, whereas the CCP is now addressing the issue.


You avoided answering about Tiananmen Square. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:05pm:
[i]China’s working and middle classes have experienced rapid income and purchasing power growth over the past few decades, driven by industrialization, urbanization, and poverty-reduction campaigns, outpacing the stagnant real wage growth experienced by lower- and middle-income workers in many Western economies



Only some. The Uighurs are not in that group.  How is it that you can compare the poor and disadvantaged in Western society, when you can't support it for the Chinese? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:05pm:
Exit polls and post-election analyses point to several key drivers behind the voter backlash:


Your stated position was - "Note: the US just voted for a government which would fix the cost-of living crisis. " And then went on to explain why it wouldn't be done. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:05pm:
Do try to keep up: exit polls (which proved correct), and post election analyses...


They were your words, own them. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:05pm:
They said they would address the cost of living crisis, but they won't be able to fix it so long delusional TINA Neoclassical economists continue with their "how ya gonna pay for it" dogma.


So they will address it but they don't know how. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:05pm:
people want their wages to cover cost-of-living essentials, they don't want 'free money"; people well know  only counter-feiters can access free money........there are severe risks.....



So funny. That would mean counterfeiters have no costs, for it to be free. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:05pm:
You are conflating "free money" with Treasury-issued free money which is only available to a sovereign currency-issuing goverment.



Which you have noted is not necessarily freeee. You have said it can be inflationary. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:05pm:
Economics is both a science and an art—acting as a science in its methodology and theory, and an art in its practical application and policy-making"



So I googled that.

AI: It means economics combines systematic analysis with practical judgment.

Me: Judgement is not science

AI: Right—judgment itself isn’t science. The distinction is that economics can use scientific methods to analyze evidence and predict likely effects, while applying those findings to policy involves judgment, values, and choices. So the quote calls economics an “art” in its application, not because judgment is scientific.

Me: Then they use parameters, and parameters are not science

AI: A parameter isn’t science by itself; it’s a quantity in a model. If it is estimated from evidence and tested against observations, using it can be part of scientific economic analysis. If it is simply assumed or chosen to fit a preferred conclusion, it is not strong scientific evidence.

Me: With four parameters I can make an elephant, with 5 I can wiggle its trunk

AI: That’s a pointed criticism of model flexibility: with enough adjustable parameters, a model can be made to fit almost any pattern—and extra parameters can even capture details that look meaningful. The saying is usually attributed to John von Neumann, though the attribution is disputed.

The lesson isn’t that parameters are inherently unscientific; it’s that a model’s fit alone doesn’t establish that it explains reality. Stronger evidence comes from clear assumptions, independent data, out-of-sample predictions, and robustness checks.

I am sure you can provide the independent data, and robustness checks. Wink

Please do so.[

quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1642444396/493#493 date=1793934306]Not belief but logic,  unlike your macroeconomic 'austerity/scarcity' nonsense. [/quote]

Then provide the answers to the questions - logically. That doesn't mean regurgitate what your favoured economists say. Roll Eyes
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Reply #496 - Today at 1:53pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:20pm:
AI: " Between 97% and over 99.9% of actively publishing climate scientists agree that human activities cause global warming and climate change"[i]


OK Once again i went to AI.

For Cook et al (97%) -

AI: That’s broadly accurate, but it combines two different measures: surveys of actively publishing climate scientists have generally found about 97% agreement, while a 2021 analysis of peer-reviewed climate papers found agreement exceeded 99%—and another estimate was over 99.9%. So “97% to over 99.9%” is a reasonable summary of findings, but those percentages aren’t all estimates of the same group or based on the same method.

Me: The problem in your answer is that the metic used s not right. For Cook et al In the text of the paper "We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming." That's all papers.

AI: For the abstract ratings, Cook et al. classified all 11,944 papers: 66.4% expressed no position, 32.6% endorsed human-caused global warming, 0.7% rejected it, and 0.3% were uncertain. The 97.1% figure is not the share of all papers; it is the share endorsing AGW among abstracts that took a position. The authors’ self-ratings produced a separate 97.2% figure, also among papers expressing a position.

I should have kept those denominators explicit rather than presenting the percentages as a single range. The 97% figure from surveys of actively publishing climate scientists is a different measure again, not the Cook paper-abstract metric.

Me: The Lynas et al paper uses confusing standards.  They did 3,000 papers.  892 papers apparently endorsed AGW, but 460 of those were implicit, They didn't actually say so. 2104 held no position. When they did the calculation they actually used an inverse ratio where the no position papers actually became proxies fo AGW

AI: That’s a fair criticism of the headline calculation. In Lynas et al.’s sample of 3,000 abstracts, 892 were rated as endorsing AGW (19 explicit quantitative, 413 explicit non-quantitative, and 460 implicit), 2,104 were rated “no position,” and four were classified as rejecting it. The 460 implicit endorsements are interpretations of what abstracts imply, not explicit statements by those papers. ResearchGate

The 99.85% figure comes from subtracting the four rejecting papers from 2,718 papers after excluding 282 classified as non-climate-related. That calculation treats every remaining paper that did not reject AGW—including the no-position papers—as not disputing it. It therefore measures absence of an identified rejection, not the proportion of papers that explicitly endorse AGW. Calling it an endorsement rate would overstate what the abstract ratings show.

So much for your research. Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:20pm:
Risks associated with burning filthy fossils fuels?


More people, more roads, more buildings more UHI. Cool

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:20pm:
Oz is not benefitting from its gas exports



You mean they don't get taxes and royalties? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 1:20pm:
Nationalization is govt. ensuring the population has access to, and benefits from, the nation's resources,  not only  private shareholders.


Then why aren't government clearing away red and green trape to allow it to happen? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #497 - Today at 3:31pm
 
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 3:33pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 31st, 2026 at 10:39am:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/60/de/ac/60deac0500deba6835e3d9c90d099256.gif

I know it is thrash and not neoclassical. But I wanted not to double up on images.



Who is that - and what has it got to do with a wealth tax?


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/60/de/ac/60deac0500deba6835e3d9c90d099256.gif


James Hetfield. I just picked a random image related to heavy metal. It was supposed to be "neoclassical metal".
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Reply #498 - Today at 3:32pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote Today at 11:47am:
It's Unsubs repesentation of my 'song and dance' about Neocassical economics.

He's only revealing his ignorance of economic history and economic theory.   


I'm revealing your pretentiousness about knowing about economic history and theory.
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