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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #390 - Oct 14th, 2026 at 5:01pm
 
tallowood wrote on Oct 14th, 2026 at 11:55am:
Just call it "Putin tax" to make taxpayers happy.

Joe did it so can Albo  Cheesy



It's a pity the US and USSR demanded absolute national sovereignty - and the veto -  in the newly created UNSC (in 1946).

Hence no security at all, as the chance to create international law (including banning insane war) was passed over. 

Hence govts. are going broke funding their "defence" budgets. 
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #391 - Oct 14th, 2026 at 5:11pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 13th, 2026 at 6:45pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 10th, 2026 at 10:08am:
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He mentions getting sued by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) as one of the motivating factors behind the move.

[quote]Five years ago he launched Finder Earn, a cryptocurrency-backed alternative to a savings account that offered a higher return than traditional banks.


Ah - a finance scam, not contributing to national wealth in the real economy.



What is your reference for that. AI says not.

"Finder Earn was not classified as a financial scam, as the Federal Court found that it did not provide unlicensed financial services related to crypto-assets."


So a Court found him innocent of financial scam?

Yet - like most financial derivatives contracts in the finance casino consisting of shuffling money around (not contributing to the real economy), crypto currencies are a ponzi scam.

Unlike fiat currencies which are related to the value of the goods and services produced in nations' economies.


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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #392 - Oct 14th, 2026 at 5:13pm
 
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #393 - Oct 14th, 2026 at 5:13pm
 
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #394 - Oct 14th, 2026 at 5:25pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14th, 2026 at 4:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2026 at 4:27pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14th, 2026 at 4:25pm:
Your errors:

1. At the most fundamental level: money is always created out of thin air by authorized money lenders - whether the thus created money is manifested as  physical paper money or metal coins (in which case the money must be 'mqchined', or as digits in computers; how do you you think money supply increases as the population increases?

2. Inflation is caused by demand for goods and services  exceeding the economy's capacity to supply those goods and services, contrary of Friedman's monetary  delusions.




Then why can't I make Bobby Bonds  ?
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(A not so intelligent question....)

Because you aren't authorized to either create or sell (ie issue) bonds.   

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the Reserve bank can buy them with printed money and I'd be rich.


Learn how the govt. finances the public sector - ie by selling bonds to the private sector to finance govt. spending beyond tax receipts:

(google A)

Primary vs. Secondary Markets: Central banks are generally restricted from buying newly issued bonds directly from their own government. Instead, private banks, primary dealers, and investors buy the bonds first in the primary market.

Central banks (such as the U.S. Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank) are typically banned from buying newly issued debt straight from the treasury or state. This rule prevents "monetary financing"—situations where a government simply forces its central bank to print money to fund public spending.


Are you capable of learning?

The question is: WHY are they banned from "printing money", and forced to sell bonds to the private sector instead?

Answer: the private sector is master, in a free-enterprise system.

Hence the current public-sector financing nightmare,  with pollies at one anothers' throats over funding the public sector...hence the Speaker is having a hell of a time maintaining order in the Federal parliament today.....as the Coalition are defendng tax rorts only available to 5% of the (mostly wealthier section of the) population.




My question was tongue in cheek -
it speaks to the absurdity of our system.
It will inevitably lead to hyperinflation like Zimbabwe -
and in the meantime our savings in the Bank will become more worthless every day.

Money printing is in effect a tax on anyone with savings -
that includes at least 17 million Australians who currently have a superannuation account.


We're a $trillion in debt - the Yanks are $40 trillion in debt -
all caused by money printing.  Roll Eyes
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #395 - Oct 14th, 2026 at 6:57pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14th, 2026 at 5:11pm:
So a Court found him innocent of financial scam?


So you lid. once again. Roll Eyes
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #396 - Oct 14th, 2026 at 8:39pm
 
What I find funny about TGD is on one hand he says a currency issuing govt does not need to tax, on the other he supports a wealth tax. Undecided
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #397 - Oct 14th, 2026 at 9:06pm
 
Setanta wrote on Oct 14th, 2026 at 8:39pm:
What I find funny about TGD is on one hand he says a currency issuing govt does not need to tax, on the other he supports a wealth tax. Undecided



It's people like TGD who have led the funny money revolution
that one day we will all pay dearly for.
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #398 - Oct 15th, 2026 at 1:35pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 14th, 2026 at 6:57pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14th, 2026 at 5:11pm:
So a Court found him innocent of financial scam?


So you lid. once again. Roll Eyes


No dummy, I wasn't aware of the court's ruling.

Now - about crypto-currency, which Trump said was a scam before he was re-elected as President, and before he realized he could make big bucks out of it.......
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #399 - Oct 15th, 2026 at 1:51pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2026 at 5:25pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14th, 2026 at 4:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 14th, 2026 at 4:27pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 14th, 2026 at 4:25pm:
Your errors:

1. At the most fundamental level: money is always created out of thin air by authorized money lenders - whether the thus created money is manifested as  physical paper money or metal coins (in which case the money must be 'mqchined', or as digits in computers; how do you you think money supply increases as the population increases?

2. Inflation is caused by demand for goods and services  exceeding the economy's capacity to supply those goods and services, contrary of Friedman's monetary  delusions.




Then why can't I make Bobby Bonds  ?
   -


(A not so intelligent question....)

Because you aren't authorized to either create or sell (ie issue) bonds.   

Quote:
the Reserve bank can buy them with printed money and I'd be rich.


Learn how the govt. finances the public sector - ie by selling bonds to the private sector to finance govt. spending beyond tax receipts:

(google A)

Primary vs. Secondary Markets: Central banks are generally restricted from buying newly issued bonds directly from their own government. Instead, private banks, primary dealers, and investors buy the bonds first in the primary market.

Central banks (such as the U.S. Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank) are typically banned from buying newly issued debt straight from the treasury or state. This rule prevents "monetary financing"—situations where a government simply forces its central bank to print money to fund public spending.


Are you capable of learning?

The question is: WHY are they banned from "printing money", and forced to sell bonds to the private sector instead?

Answer: the private sector is master, in a free-enterprise system.

Hence the current public-sector financing nightmare,  with pollies at one anothers' throats over funding the public sector...hence the Speaker is having a hell of a time maintaining order in the Federal parliament today.....as the Coalition are defendng tax rorts only available to 5% of the (mostly wealthier section of the) population.




My question was tongue in cheek -
it speaks to the absurdity of our system.


Ah - good, we agree the present system is absurd.

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It will inevitably lead to hyperinflation like Zimbabwe


You are confused again: Zimbabwe's hyperinflation resulted from pollies not balancing demand for goods and services with the economy's capacity to supply those goods and services. 

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and in the meantime our savings in the Bank will become more worthless every day.


Not while bank term deposit rates exceed the reserve bank's interest rate settings (aka 'monetary policy'). 

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Money printing is in effect a tax on anyone with savings -
that includes at least 17 million Australians who currently have a superannuation account.


That's the consequence of forcing c-i governments to "print money" to sell bonds to the private sector, rather than creating public money ex nihilo  - the same way private-sector money is created, when private banks lend money to (hopefully) credit-worthy customers.


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We're a $trillion in debt - the Yanks are $40 trillion in debt -
all caused by money printing.  Roll Eyes


Correct.

Which is why governments should NOT be forced to borrow the nation's own currency, rather they should be tasked with balancing demand for goods and services with the economy's capacity to supply, to avoid inflation.

 


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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #400 - Oct 15th, 2026 at 1:58pm
 

Our own Govt. prints money to finance the most bloated public service in the world.


Some background for TGD:

Google AI:


The Zimbabwean government kept printing money primarily to cover massive budget deficits and fund state expenses when traditional tax revenues and foreign borrowing dried up.

Key reasons behind the money creation include:

•      Military and War Expenses: The government printed money to finance its expensive military involvement in the Second Congo War and to pay higher salaries for soldiers and police officers without budgeting for them.


•      Collapsing Tax Base & Economy: Controversial land reforms in the 2000s dismantled commercial agriculture (especially tobacco production), which destroyed the country's primary source of foreign exchange and tax revenue.


•      Political Survival: President Robert Mugabe's administration relied on printing money to reward political allies, pacify restive security forces, and fund public-sector payrolls to maintain power.


•      The Inflation Feedback Loop: As the economy shrank and goods became scarce, newly printed money caused prices to skyrocket. Because tax collection fell behind soaring inflation, the state faced severe cash deficits and resorted to printing even larger denominations—culminating in the $100 trillion note in 2009—to chase rapidly rising costs.
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #401 - Oct 15th, 2026 at 2:03pm
 
Setanta wrote on Oct 14th, 2026 at 8:39pm:
What I find funny about TGD is on one hand he says a currency issuing govt does not need to tax, on the other he supports a wealth tax. Undecided


MMTers agree c-i governments don't need to tax or borrow:

"Money doesn't grow on rich people": Stephanie Kelton, author of 'The Deficit Myth').

But while c-i governments are forced to tax or borrow (from a reluctant private sector), taxation is the only way to prevent  bloody revolution on the streets... hence Gary Stevenson's (et al) 'tax the wealthy' campaign. 

And also to limit frivolous consumption by the ultra-rich....


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Reply #402 - Oct 15th, 2026 at 2:17pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 15th, 2026 at 1:58pm:
Our own Govt. prints money to finance the most bloated public service in the world.


Already addressed in #394.

Namely:

"Central banks (such as the U.S. Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank) are typically banned from buying newly issued debt straight from the treasury or state.
This rule prevents "monetary financing"—situations where a government simply forces its central bank to print money to fund public spending".


Are you too thick to acknowledge it?

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Some background for TGD:

Google AI:


The Zimbabwean government kept printing money primarily to cover massive budget deficits and fund state expenses when traditional tax revenues and foreign borrowing dried up.

Key reasons behind the money creation include:

•      Military and War Expenses: The government printed money to finance its expensive military involvement in the Second Congo War and to pay higher salaries for soldiers and police officers without budgeting for them.


•      Collapsing Tax Base & Economy: Controversial land reforms in the 2000s dismantled commercial agriculture (especially tobacco production), which destroyed the country's primary source of foreign exchange and tax revenue.


•      Political Survival: President Robert Mugabe's administration relied on printing money to reward political allies, pacify restive security forces, and fund public-sector payrolls to maintain power.


•      The Inflation Feedback Loop: As the economy shrank and goods became scarce, newly printed money caused prices to skyrocket. Because tax collection fell behind soaring inflation, the state faced severe cash deficits and resorted to printing even larger denominations—culminating in the $100 trillion note in 2009—to chase rapidly rising costs.


Already explained  many times: in short, the Zimbabwe  govt. failed to balance demand for goods and services in the economy with the economy's capacity to supply - hence HYPER-inflation resulting from "money printing".

But such cases are exceptional; and eg, in Oz and the US, massive public debt does NOT cause hyperinflation, while central banks raise interest rates to 'keep inflation in check'.

In fact the next crisis will be causeed by private debt insolvencies.

But this system is also headed to disaster, as governments can't pay down debt without losing elections, and interest on public debt keeps rising.... the "political nightmare' facing pollies everywhere.   
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #403 - Oct 15th, 2026 at 2:24pm
 
TGD,
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But this system is also headed to disaster, as governments can't pay down debt without losing elections,
and interest on debt keeps rising.... the "political nightmare' facing pollies everywhere.



I will agree with you on that.
The people voted out the Howard Govt after they balanced the books and we owed no money -
people voted for money printing Govts ever since
thinking it was money for nothing.
Most people are morons - it's bad in Melbourne - IQs are very low here -
you seldom find anyone who can even speak English -
yet alone work out the intricacies of economic theory -
all they see is -

"this man - he give me money"



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Reply #404 - Oct 15th, 2026 at 2:56pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 15th, 2026 at 2:24pm:
TGD,
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But this system is also headed to disaster, as governments can't pay down debt without losing elections,
and interest on debt keeps rising.... the "political nightmare' facing pollies everywhere.



I will agree with you on that.


Good


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The people voted out the Howard Govt after they balanced the books and we owed no money -


Bad (....); Howard 'balanced the books" because of a once-off building boom in the Chinese economy, which saw iron-ore and coal royalties pouring into the Oz treasury.

(google AI)

(China consumed approximately 6.4 to 6.6 gigatons (billion tonnes) of cement between 2011 and 2013 (a span of roughly 3 years), which surpassed the 4.2 to 4.5 gigatons used by the United States during the entire 20th century (1901–2000)

But Howard joined Bush and Blair in a war which millions around the world had rejected - hence Howard's demise.


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people voted for money printing Govts ever since
thinking it was money for nothing.
Most people are morons - it's bad in Melbourne - IQs are very low here -
you seldom find anyone who can even speak English -
yet alone work out the intricacies of economic theory -
all they see is -

"this man - he give me money"


But YOU know better now, don't you (....cough......) after I  explained why massive Oz and US public debt isn't causing hyper-inflation. 
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