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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #345 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 12:07pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 4th, 2026 at 6:23pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 4th, 2026 at 12:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 4th, 2026 at 12:04pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 4th, 2026 at 11:49am:
Listening to the video...so now we are told  these people with million dollar homes can't afford their council rates, so are forced into "seniors' rate deferral schemes"...

Boohoo. They should sell and move into a unit, rather than wanting to collect the full pension while living in their expensive properties, at a time when their children's generation have less chance of buying a house than the previous generation.

Deplorable Conservative self-interest, as always.

Now, dummy, you still haven't answered: how would you fund eg, aged care packages to enable peole to live in their homes for as long as possible,  and public housing, and unis without relying on overseas students' fees?





Many of those homes were bought for well under $100K and are very modest homes.


And they scored the 'deal of the century': bought an asset which increased 1000% in 3 decades (...due to market failure, in fact...)

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Moving house can be a hell of a job -
you have to chuck out 80% of your stuff to fit yourself into a small unit or apartment.
These old people just want to be left alone to die in their modest homes
and need a full pension to do so.
Even that won't cover the extraordinary expenses these days.
Inflation has ripped the guts out of retirement savings.


Complaints of a comfortable Conservative handed the deal of the century (via housing market failure). 

But your refusal to answer a simple question re funding essential services tells us all we need to know about the Conservative mentality; eg I noticed the question from Lisa Jones several years back in this thread: "what is wealth"?.

Deplorable.   




What I wrote all makes sense to me.


Sense to you?

Yet you won't answer the question :how is the nation to fund/upgrade essential public services  (eg, aged-care, tertiary education, public infrastructure?)

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Labor acts like these people are living in luxurious mansions and have a great lifestyle.


Labor is already telling us "there will be no c-o-l relief in the upcoming budget because "we have to balance the budget".

And you want reduced govt. spending, given pensions for people living in million dollar homes, while fewer young people can afford to buy a home.

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It's not true - many of those places - most of those places - are very run down old places -
probably with water leaks and mold - with old 1960s bathroom and toilet fittings -
they usually get bulldozed when sold.


So:  market failure means those people (a small number of home owners)  can no longer afford council rates on their 1960s dumps....

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It's all part of Labor's communist class warfare but they are picking on the wrong people.


'Communism' seeks to house everyone - see Mamdani in New York; and while Labor is trying to make housing affordable for average workers again, it has abondoned public housing as a solution, resulting in bad outcomes for the small number of people you are bleating about (ie,  pensioners living in million dollar 1960s 'dumps' who can't afford council rates).


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They should go after the 1,000 or more big companies that pay no tax -


Ah - at last (it's like pulling teeth) - you have noticed governments need to fund themselves, and are promoting taxes on companies.... well done. 

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not after defenceless old pensioners who can't fight back -
who have no massive team of lawyers and accountants -
and no multi million dollar legal budgets -


So the question is: how to ensure the pension covers council rates for these 'poor' pensioners living in million dollar 60s 'dumps'.   

Answer: raise taxes on companies (and wealthy individuals) who avoid paying tax. 


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Labor are like a pack of wolves going after wounded prey.
The Labor party stinks of wretched communism.


What a confused statement.

1. yes, Labor follows mainstream economists who demand balanced government  budgets (following the erroneous 'household budget' analogy), meaning Labor has to cut government spending.

2. "Wretched communism" is your wretched  ideological construct designed to ensure public spending is minimized in favour of private sector spending by the wealthy.

Deplorable. 

Better:

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/

Note: public money, not 'taxpayer money'. 

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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #346 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 12:08pm
 
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #347 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 12:09pm
 
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #348 - Oct 5th, 2026 at 1:42pm
 
TGD,
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Sense to you?

Yet you won't answer the question :
how is the nation to fund/upgrade essential public services  (eg, aged-care, tertiary education, public infrastructure?)


Not by chasing old pensioners for their homes.


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Labor is already telling us "there will be no c-o-l relief in the upcoming budget because "we have to balance the budget".

And you want reduced govt. spending, given pensions for people living in million dollar homes, while fewer young people can afford to buy a home.


Most of them are living in old dumps.



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So:  market failure means those people (a small number of home owners)
  can no longer afford council rates on their 1960s dumps....


I actually know someone who was forced out of his home because he couldn't pay the rates.
$38,000 to cover all unpaid rates.
He was old and sick - too sick to work -
the council didn't care - they only wanted their rates and he got a legal letter
saying that 'unless he paid his rates - the council would sell his place to cover his outstanding rates' -
he sold first in order to pay them.

It's happening every day.


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Ah - at last (it's like pulling teeth) - you have noticed governments need to fund themselves,
and are promoting taxes on companies.... well done.


Yes - companies use tax loopholes - tax haven islands -
and all sorts of gimmicks to avoid tax.
pensioners can't - they are sitting ducks - easy prey.




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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #349 - Oct 7th, 2026 at 9:34am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 5th, 2026 at 1:42pm:
TGD,
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Sense to you?

Yet you won't answer the question :
how is the nation to fund/upgrade essential public services  (eg, aged-care, tertiary education, public infrastructure?)


Not by chasing old pensioners for their homes.


I told you why Labor is doing that: namely,  because mainstream economists - which you follow - insist the c-i government has to 'balance the budget', which means govt. must chase pennies wherever it can, including forcing pensioners living in $million "dumps" to downsize so they can pay their council rates.   


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I actually know someone who was forced out of his home because he couldn't pay the rates.
$38,000 to cover all unpaid rates.
He was old and sick - too sick to work -
the council didn't care - they only wanted their rates and he got a legal letter
saying that 'unless he paid his rates - the council would sell his place to cover his outstanding rates' -
he sold first in order to pay them.


Yes - disgraceful, the result of govts being forced into 'austerity' by mainstream economists which you follow.
Fact: a c-i-govt could of course pay council rates without taxing or borrowing from the private sexctor.

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Yes - companies use tax loopholes - tax haven islands -
and all sorts of gimmicks to avoid tax.
pensioners can't - they are sitting ducks - easy prey.


Yes, mainstream 'public austerity' economists who defend private wealth from taxation obligations are evil bastards.

Hence concerned citizens promoting MMT:

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/

Note: public money, not 'taxpayer' money.







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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #350 - Oct 7th, 2026 at 5:09pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 9:34am:
Yes, mainstream 'public austerity' economists who defend private wealth from taxation obligations are evil bastards.



And want government to spend the money they create, even though you admit "it may be inflationary". Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #351 - Oct 7th, 2026 at 5:20pm
 
TGD,
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I told you why Labor is doing that: namely,  because mainstream economists - which you follow -
insist the c-i government has to 'balance the budget', which means govt. must chase pennies wherever it can, including forcing pensioners living in $million "dumps" to downsize so they can pay their council rates.


It is still not fair.
It's not the old age pensioner's fault that the house and land went up so much -
it's funny money ideas like you have that caused excessive money printing and high inflation.


TGD,
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Yes - disgraceful, the result of govts being forced into 'austerity' by mainstream economists which you follow.
Fact: a c-i-govt could of course pay council rates without taxing or borrowing from the private sector.


What is a c-i- Govt ?
Google doesn't know - stop using silly acronyms.

Govt's are issuing Govt bonds and the Reserve Bank is printing money to pay for them.
Inflation is caused by the Reserve bank -
they should say NO - we're not buying your Govt. Bonds - go to hell.


TGD,
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Yes, mainstream 'public austerity' economists who defend private wealth from taxation obligations are evil bastards.

Hence concerned citizens promoting MMT:

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/

Note: public money, not 'taxpayer' money.


You think you've got all the answers.    Roll Eyes

Your only answer is why Zimbabwe ended up in chaos -
where you needed a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread.

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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #352 - Oct 8th, 2026 at 10:57am
 
lee wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 5:09pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 9:34am:
Yes, mainstream 'public austerity' economists who defend private wealth from taxation obligations are evil bastards.



And want government to spend the money they create, even though you admit "it may be inflationary". Grin Grin Grin Grin


To repeat, spending has the potential to be inflationary, hence the necessity for government to  ensure supply can meet demand, to avoid inflation.

ie, the 'inviible hand' free market - driven by private self-interest - will need to be managed, to avoid inflation. 
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #353 - Oct 8th, 2026 at 11:47am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 7th, 2026 at 5:20pm:
TGD,

[quote]It is still not fair.


Indeed, mainstream economics is aka  'the dismal science'; it certainly ain't "fair"...

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It's not the old age pensioner's fault that the house and land went up so much -
it's funny money ideas like you have that caused excessive money printing and high inflation.


Your error: I want managed markets, as opposed to the free market which has resulted in the overpriced housing you are complaining about.

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What is a c-i- Govt ?
Google doesn't know - stop using silly acronyms.


Interesting  - I can only conclude you don't read my posts:

A c-i govt. is a legal currency-issuing government;  most national governments are such.

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Govt's are issuing Govt bonds and the Reserve Bank is printing money to pay for them.


You don't read my posts , I already quoted AI showing most money is created in private banks in normal times; and if (in an emergency) govts buy back the bonds they issued, they're not creating new money, they are...

(google AI)

repurchasing existing debt securities from investors and financial institutions before their official maturity date.

Ie, existing debt securities sold to the private sector which carries interest (on the bonds the private sector invested in).

C-i governments which COULD be authoirized to create public money, without taxing or borrowing from the private sector, should NOT sell bonds at all. 

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Inflation is caused by the Reserve bank -
they should say NO - we're not buying your Govt. Bonds - go to hell.


There is some concern reserve banks actually increase inflation when they lift interest rates, which causes rents to increase as landlords pass on the expense of higher mortgage rates.

But in general, inflation is caused by demand out-stripping the economy's capacity to supply goods and services. 

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You think you've got all the answers.    Roll Eyes


I've certainly got an alternative to the current dysfunctional public austerity/private wealth monstrosity.

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Your only answer is why Zimbabwe ended up in chaos - where you needed a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread.


...proving you are incapable of learning: hyper-inflation in Zimbabwe, Weimar Republic, Venezuela  etc are all examples of suddenly curtailed supply (whether food, factories, or loss of oil income, wrecking those states' finances, respectively).

As we have discussed many times.

More important is soaring US debt (and eg, the UK and France)  which - while not causing inflation - will result in crippling interest payments on the debt which will eventually swamp government spending.

All because of the ancient system forcing govts to borrow money from usurious private sector money lenders: 
 

(googe AI)

During the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, governments (monarchs and empires) did not have modern tax collection systems or public central banks. When they needed to fund wars or royal lifestyles, they were forced to turn to wealthy private financiers, merchant-bankers, and syndicates.

And indeed "public central banks" are still banned from  creating debt free public money..... 

Hence the necessity for a new solution, an alternative to the current increasingly dysfunctional economic nightmare:

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #354 - Oct 8th, 2026 at 12:43pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 8th, 2026 at 10:57am:
To repeat, spending has the potential to be inflationary, hence the necessity for government to  ensure supply can meet demand, to avoid inflation.


But you have already said a one-off printing of money would devalue that already in existence, which is inflationary, and only that another one MAY increase inflation. You are inconsistent.

And then you expect "Government" will fix it. Grin Grin Grin Grin

The "invisible hand" of government is what is causing the majority of inflation. Not private. Roll Eyes
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #355 - Oct 9th, 2026 at 11:21am
 
lee wrote on Oct 8th, 2026 at 12:43pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 8th, 2026 at 10:57am:
To repeat, spending has the potential to be inflationary, hence the necessity for government to  ensure supply can meet demand, to avoid inflation.


But you have already said a one-off printing of money would devalue that already in existence, which is inflationary, and only that another one MAY increase inflation. You are inconsistent.


Dummy lee: given the lack of global financial oversight (eg Keynes' famous 1944 "clearing union" and 'Bankor' proposals), nations who authorize their c-i governments to fund themselves (other than by taxing or borrowing from the private sector) may be faced with a one-off devaluation of their exchange rate, the effect of which is to raise the cost of imports.

But the nature of the imports in important**; and the advantage of a self-funded government  may still deliver a better standard of living with a sustainable financial system - unlike the present system where governments everywhere  are going broke as they are forced to pay ever more in interest payments to bond holders - even as they cut spending on essential public services in a politically impossible attempt to cut spending on essentials. 

** eg, in Oz's case, we don't need to import food or building materials, hence the federal government can fund public housing for free.   

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And then you expect "Government" will fix it. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Correct: AI makes it possible for governments to account for the productive capacity of each enterprise in the entire economy, hence enabling avoidance of inflation caused by excess demand (ie, demand beyond the economy's capacity to supply) in the macro-economy.

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The "invisible hand" of government is what is causing the majority of inflation. Not private. Roll Eyes


Your confusion of terms is evident: the "invisible hand" refers to the blind self-interest-driven private sector market economy.

Whereas the public sector represents the deliberate/planned  counter-balancing interests of the collective, enabling the supply of essential public services for all.

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/

Whereas mainstream economists hand the burden of inflation control to the reserve bank, using their blunt/very blind tool of interest rate manipulation.

Even Kochie is upset:

(NewsWire)

Kochie slams gut punch on mortgage holders




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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #356 - Oct 9th, 2026 at 11:28am
 

TGD,
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Interesting  - I can only conclude you don't read my posts:

A c-i govt. is a legal currency-issuing government;  most national governments are such.



Stop making up your own language.   Roll Eyes
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #357 - Oct 9th, 2026 at 2:48pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 9th, 2026 at 11:21am:
given the lack of global financial oversight (eg Keynes' famous 1944 "clearing union" and 'Bankor' proposals), nations who authorize their c-i governments to fund themselves (other than by taxing or borrowing from the private sector) may be faced with a one-off devaluation of their exchange rate, the effect of which is to raise the cost of imports.



Ah yes. And what the imports from businesses that have moved offshore, with the attendant loss of jobs, they also lead to inflation.

And after the High Court has said we must calculate Scope 3 exports, there goes another of our jobs. meanwhile China hasn't hamstrung itself. Scope2 emissions are carried by the trading partners who actually burn the fossil fuels.  But you are fine with China having free rein. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 9th, 2026 at 11:21am:
** eg, in Oz's case, we don't need to import food or building materials, hence the federal government can fund public housing for free.   


We just need to import the building materials. EG  Autoclaved concrete. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 9th, 2026 at 11:21am:
AI makes it possible for governments to account for the productive capacity of each enterprise in the entire economy, hence enabling avoidance of inflation caused by excess demand (ie, demand beyond the economy's capacity to supply) in the macro-economy.


You mean the same AI that keeps going rogue? Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 9th, 2026 at 11:21am:
the "invisible hand" refers to the blind self-interest-driven private sector market economy.


Actually NO. It doesn't say anything about "blind" self-interest. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 9th, 2026 at 11:21am:
Whereas the public sector represents the deliberate/planned  counter-balancing interests of the collective, enabling the supply of essential public services for all.


No that's socialism. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 9th, 2026 at 11:21am:
Kochie slams gut punch on mortgage holders


"David Koch blasts government spending as Australians hit with another interest rate hike and extra mortgage costs"

https://7news.com.au/sunrise/david-koch-blasts-government-spending-as-australian...

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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #358 - Oct 10th, 2026 at 9:03am
 
‘I’ve had enough’: Finder co-founder Fred Schebesta is leaving Australia for Singapore
A tech founder worth at least $200 million has decided to leave Australia, declaring he’s fed up with endless red tape and taxes.



“It’s insane; it’s as close to socialism as you can possibly get. And more money goes to the government, for what reason? There are no changes, no benefit. There are just more handouts to get more votes.”

He mentions getting sued by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) as one of the motivating factors behind the move.

Five years ago he launched Finder Earn, a cryptocurrency-backed alternative to a savings account that offered a higher return than traditional banks.

ASIC sued Finder, arguing that the product was a debenture — a form of investment loan — and that the company didn’t have the right license.

The Federal Court dismissed ASIC’s proceedings, and the Full Federal Court later threw out ASIC’s appeal, ordering the regulator to cover Finder’s legal costs.

Despite the legal victory, Mr Schebesta had spent years fighting the case and it left him disillusioned about Australia’s regulatory landscape.

He has also taken issue with capital gains tax (CGT) reforms, high inflation and interest rates, and the government’s move to ban card surcharges.

By comparison, Singapore has no CGT, and income tax is substantially lower than Australia’s.

While Australia’s progressive rates range up to 47 per cent (45 per cent plus a 2 per cent Medicare levy), Singapore’s rates range up to a maximum of 24 per cent, with top brackets kicking in at much higher income levels.

Mr Schebesta says he chose Singapore because it has a “good time zone” and is “super safe” while being more welcoming to entrepreneurs.

“There’s obviously a different mindset to business and bringing people in and creating prosperity. They know the impact of that and they’re open to it.”

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Reply #359 - Oct 10th, 2026 at 9:40am
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 9th, 2026 at 11:28am:
TGD,
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Interesting  - I can only conclude you don't read my posts:

A c-i govt. is a legal currency-issuing government;  most national governments are such.



Stop making up your own language.   Roll Eyes


??

(google AI)

...the specific modern economic phrase "currency-issuing government" gained prominence primarily through Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) starting in the late 20th century

Stop blaming me for your own ignorance.


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