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Reply #330 - Oct 1^st, 2026 at 8:36pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 1^st, 2026 at 8:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 1^st, 2026 at 7:11pm:

TGD is bullshitting again.

Australia has the highest per capita number of public servants in the world
and the highest paid in the world.
It's all paid for by printing money.

Lies:

(google AI)

The claim that Australia has the highest per capita number of public servants in the world is false, as it stems from a heavily publicised data error, while the claim regarding their pay is only true for top-tier senior executives.

AI is proving itself useful (hopefully humans can manage it successfully, to promote a just economy).

It also says:

AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses Roll Eyes

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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #333 - Oct 2^nd, 2026 at 9:57am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 1^st, 2026 at 8:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 1^st, 2026 at 8:07pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 1^st, 2026 at 7:11pm:

TGD is bullshitting again.

Australia has the highest per capita number of public servants in the world
and the highest paid in the world.
It's all paid for by printing money.

Lies:

(google AI)

The claim that Australia has the highest per capita number of public servants in the world is false, as it stems from a heavily publicised data error, while the claim regarding their pay is only true for top-tier senior executives.

AI is proving itself useful (hopefully humans can manage it successfully, to promote a just economy).

It also says:

AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses Roll Eyes

Correct, so to confirm/double check:

Question: what was the source of the false claim Oz has more public servants than other countries?

Answer:

(google AI)

The primary source of this false claim was a data error in an April 2025 graph published by [The Economist](https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/truth-about-australias-public-sector-after-viral-graph-sparks-debate/news-story/7eb87a1a608e04dc578666783689fd83 "Australia public sector data error sparks economist warning | news.com.au").

The magazine utilized an outlier dataset from the International Labour Organisation (ILO) that mistakenly overstated Australia's public sector workforce by roughly one million employees.

The chart incorrectly claimed that Australia had 143 government employees per 1,000 people (approximately 29% of the total workforce), making it look like the largest or most bloated public sector in the world. This graphic quickly went viral across social platforms like LinkedIn and Facebook, and was heavily cited in speeches and interviews by conservative commentators, politicians, and think tanks to argue that Australia's bureaucracy was out of control.

In reality, official Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) figures show that Australia has about 2.6 million public servants—which includes frontline workers like teachers, nurses, police, and defence personnel. According to OECD comparative data, this places Australia right in the middle of the pack internationally at roughly 16% to 18% of the total workforce, well below many comparable nations.

You want to refute that information as well, while claiming nurses, police etc are part of a "bloated" workforce?

Deplorable.

AI will expose your wicked ideology.

btw, how do you propose to fund eg, aged-care packages, to enable the elderly to live in their own homes for as long as possible?

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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #334 - Oct 2^nd, 2026 at 10:07am

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/truth-about-australia...

Sydney radio host Ben Fordham seized on The Economist’s chart this week to complain about Australia having the “world’s biggest” bureaucracy.

In his opinion segment on Tuesday the 2GB personality said his team had “come across some pretty shocking numbers”, citing The Economist, showing “roughly 29 per cent” of workers were in the public sector.

“China, a one-party communist state, has about 34 per 1000 – a long way from our 143 per 1000 workers,” he told his listeners.

Fordham acknowledged the ILO data did not just count bureaucrats but included sectors funded by the government like healthcare and education.

Despite differing views on how to measure the size and efficiency of Australia’s public sector, the country continues to face weak productivity growth and a stagnant private sector.

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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #335 - Oct 2^nd, 2026 at 10:21am

The Aussie Govt is going after pensioners to steal their houses:

You spent forty years paying off your home, and now that it's finally yours, the government has built quiet mechanisms to claw back a share of it while you're still living there. From council rate deferral schemes to the federal Home Equity Access Scheme to land tax thresholds that haven't kept pace with property values, this video breaks down exactly how much of your equity is at risk, and what the real numbers look like over fifteen years. So is this genuine help for asset-rich, cash-poor retirees, or is it intergenerational wealth extraction dressed up as compassion?

In this video:
• How state rate deferral schemes let debt compound for decades
• Why the Home Equity Access Scheme's 4.07% fortnightly compounding is worse than it looks
• A full 15-year case study showing a $445,000 debt against a $1.2 million home
• Why the Parliamentary Budget Office's pension projections are driving this policy shift
• How land tax thresholds and ATO data-matching are catching ordinary retirees
• Five legal strategies to protect your home equity before it's too late

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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #336 - Oct 2^nd, 2026 at 10:25am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2026 at 10:07am:

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/truth-about-australia...

Sydney radio host Ben Fordham seized on The Economist’s chart this week to complain about Australia having the “world’s biggest” bureaucracy.

A chart which was debunked on close examination.

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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #337 - Oct 2^nd, 2026 at 10:30am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2026 at 10:21am:

The Aussie Govt is going after pensioners to steal their houses:

You spent forty years paying off your home, and now that it's finally yours, the government has built quiet mechanisms to claw back a share of it while you're still living there. From council rate deferral schemes to the federal Home Equity Access Scheme to land tax thresholds that haven't kept pace with property values, this video breaks down exactly how much of your equity is at risk, and what the real numbers look like over fifteen years. So is this genuine help for asset-rich, cash-poor retirees, or is it intergenerational wealth extraction dressed up as compassion?

In this video:
• How state rate deferral schemes let debt compound for decades
• Why the Home Equity Access Scheme's 4.07% fortnightly compounding is worse than it looks
• A full 15-year case study showing a $445,000 debt against a $1.2 million home
• Why the Parliamentary Budget Office's pension projections are driving this policy shift
• How land tax thresholds and ATO data-matching are catching ordinary retirees
• Five legal strategies to protect your home equity before it's too late

Cash poor/asset rich retirees who own their home can live a good life on the current age pension.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 122957 Melbourne Gender:	Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia Reply #338 - Oct 2^nd, 2026 at 10:40am thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2026 at 10:30am: Cash poor/asset rich retirees who own their home can live a good life on the current age pension. You replied before watching the video. forgiven namaste
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #339 - Oct 4^th, 2026 at 11:49am

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2026 at 10:30am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2026 at 10:21am:

The Aussie Govt is going after pensioners to steal their houses:

You spent forty years paying off your home, and now that it's finally yours, the government has built quiet mechanisms to claw back a share of it while you're still living there. From council rate deferral schemes to the federal Home Equity Access Scheme to land tax thresholds that haven't kept pace with property values, this video breaks down exactly how much of your equity is at risk, and what the real numbers look like over fifteen years. So is this genuine help for asset-rich, cash-poor retirees, or is it intergenerational wealth extraction dressed up as compassion?

In this video:
• How state rate deferral schemes let debt compound for decades
• Why the Home Equity Access Scheme's 4.07% fortnightly compounding is worse than it looks
• A full 15-year case study showing a $445,000 debt against a $1.2 million home
• Why the Parliamentary Budget Office's pension projections are driving this policy shift
• How land tax thresholds and ATO data-matching are catching ordinary retirees
• Five legal strategies to protect your home equity before it's too late

Cash poor/asset rich retirees who own their home can live a good life on the current age pension.

Listening to the video...so now we are told these people with million dollar homes can't afford their council rates, so are forced into "seniors' rate deferral schemes"...

Boohoo. They should sell and move into a unit, rather than wanting to collect the full pension while living in their expensive properties, at a time when their children's generation have less chance of buying a house than the previous generation.

Deplorable Conservative self-interest, as always.

Now, dummy, you still haven't answered: how would you fund eg, aged care packages to enable peole to live in their homes for as long as possible, and public housing, and unis without relying on overseas students' fees?

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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #340 - Oct 4^th, 2026 at 12:04pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 4^th, 2026 at 11:49am:

Listening to the video...so now we are told these people with million dollar homes can't afford their council rates, so are forced into "seniors' rate deferral schemes"...

Boohoo. They should sell and move into a unit, rather than wanting to collect the full pension while living in their expensive properties, at a time when their children's generation have less chance of buying a house than the previous generation.

Deplorable Conservative self-interest, as always.

Now, dummy, you still haven't answered: how would you fund eg, aged care packages to enable peole to live in their homes for as long as possible, and public housing, and unis without relying on overseas students' fees?

Many of those homes were bought for well under $100K and are very modest homes.

Moving house can be a hell of a job -
you have to chuck out 80% of your stuff to fit yourself into a small unit or apartment.
These old people just want to be left alone to die in their modest homes
and need a full pension to do so.
Even that won't cover the extraordinary expenses these days.
Inflation has ripped the guts out of retirement savings.

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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #341 - Oct 4^th, 2026 at 12:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 4^th, 2026 at 12:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 4^th, 2026 at 11:49am:

Listening to the video...so now we are told these people with million dollar homes can't afford their council rates, so are forced into "seniors' rate deferral schemes"...

Boohoo. They should sell and move into a unit, rather than wanting to collect the full pension while living in their expensive properties, at a time when their children's generation have less chance of buying a house than the previous generation.

Deplorable Conservative self-interest, as always.

Now, dummy, you still haven't answered: how would you fund eg, aged care packages to enable peole to live in their homes for as long as possible, and public housing, and unis without relying on overseas students' fees?

Many of those homes were bought for well under $100K and are very modest homes.

And they scored the 'deal of the century': bought an asset which increased 1000% in 3 decades (...due to market failure, in fact...)

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Moving house can be a hell of a job -
you have to chuck out 80% of your stuff to fit yourself into a small unit or apartment.
These old people just want to be left alone to die in their modest homes
and need a full pension to do so.
Even that won't cover the extraordinary expenses these days.
Inflation has ripped the guts out of retirement savings.

Complaints of a comfortable Conservative handed the deal of the century (via housing market failure).

But your refusal to answer a simple question re funding essential services tells us all we need to know about the Conservative mentality; eg I noticed the question from Lisa Jones several years back in this thread: "what is wealth"?.

Deplorable.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 58510 Gender:	Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia Reply #342 - Oct 4^th, 2026 at 12:44pm Parents bought a newly built 4 bedroom house in 1983 for $76,000. By 2000 it had reached a market value of $785,000. I mean, wtf!?
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #343 - Oct 4^th, 2026 at 6:23pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 4^th, 2026 at 12:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 4^th, 2026 at 12:04pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 4^th, 2026 at 11:49am:

Listening to the video...so now we are told these people with million dollar homes can't afford their council rates, so are forced into "seniors' rate deferral schemes"...

Boohoo. They should sell and move into a unit, rather than wanting to collect the full pension while living in their expensive properties, at a time when their children's generation have less chance of buying a house than the previous generation.

Deplorable Conservative self-interest, as always.

Now, dummy, you still haven't answered: how would you fund eg, aged care packages to enable peole to live in their homes for as long as possible, and public housing, and unis without relying on overseas students' fees?

Many of those homes were bought for well under $100K and are very modest homes.

And they scored the 'deal of the century': bought an asset which increased 1000% in 3 decades (...due to market failure, in fact...)

Quote:

Moving house can be a hell of a job -
you have to chuck out 80% of your stuff to fit yourself into a small unit or apartment.
These old people just want to be left alone to die in their modest homes
and need a full pension to do so.
Even that won't cover the extraordinary expenses these days.
Inflation has ripped the guts out of retirement savings.

Complaints of a comfortable Conservative handed the deal of the century (via housing market failure).

But your refusal to answer a simple question re funding essential services tells us all we need to know about the Conservative mentality; eg I noticed the question from Lisa Jones several years back in this thread: "what is wealth"?.

Deplorable.

What I wrote all makes sense to me.
Labor acts like these people are living in luxurious mansions and have a great lifestyle.
It's not true - many of those places - most of those places - are very run down old places -
probably with water leaks and mold - with old 1960s bathroom and toilet fittings -
they usually get bulldozed when sold.

It's all part of Labor's communist class warfare but they are picking on the wrong people.
They should go after the 1,000 or more big companies that pay no tax -
not after defenceless old pensioners who can't fight back -
who have no massive team of lawyers and accountants -
and no multi million dollar legal budgets -
Labor are like a pack of wolves going after wounded prey.
The Labor party stinks of wretched communism.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 9754 Gender:	Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia Reply #344 - Oct 4^th, 2026 at 11:10pm Jasin wrote on Oct 4^th, 2026 at 12:44pm: Parents bought a newly built 4 bedroom house in 1983 for $76,000. By 2000 it had reached a market value of $785,000. I mean, wtf!? Magic
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