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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #300 - Sep 22nd, 2026 at 11:42am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 21st, 2026 at 6:17pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 21st, 2026 at 2:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 20th, 2026 at 5:14pm:
TGD,
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Inheritance tax will sort that out.


TGD is a cultural Marxist - he wants to steal people's money after they die -

he's a grave robber.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1660808671/2415#2418


No, I want a system in which people don't have to choose between paying the rent or putting food on the table, a reality for some in the current cost of living crisis.

Economic fairness is a necessity to save democracy - do try to keep up. 

You can either increase the government's tax take on the wealthy, or fund the government using its currency-issuing capacity (no taxes or borrowing required; see MMT)

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/

Note: public money, not taxpayer money.


You want an Inheritance tax  - that means when the parents die and give their kids
their house in their Will - the Govt. will take a big slice of it -
that means the kids will have to sell the house to get the money and hand over megabucks to the Govt.


In fact it is Gary Stevenson (see his youtube videos) who wants to capture some of the spiralling wealth of billionaires and mutli-millionaires, in the current cost of living crisis.

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The standard inheritance tax rate in the UK is 40%.
so on an average $1 million house the kids will have to find $400,000.


That depends on the design of the tax, which Stevenson argues is required to rein in spiralling inequality with the rise of billionaires, amidst poverty and a cost of livng crisis. 

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That house was already bought after tax was paid by the workers to get the money
and interest was paid to the Bank - the Banks were also taxed.
It means a tax on something that was already taxed.
Property confiscation is communism.


Stevenson is not talking about taxing wages earned by workers, but taxing increases in asset prices owned by the wealthy 1%.

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TGD - are you a communist?


Depends on your definition: I believe all should be able to afford the essentials.

"Communism"?
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #301 - Sep 22nd, 2026 at 11:48am
 

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Stevenson is not talking about taxing wages earned by workers,
but taxing increases in asset prices owned by the wealthy 1%



Maybe but we all know it's intended to go after everyone -
just like in Pommy land - all inherited wealth -
wealth that has already had tax paid on it multiple times.
The socialist Govts are all bankrupt and are desperately looking for new taxes -
even unfair ones.
You will own nothing and you'll be happy.
Only a communist like you would believe that.
Communists confiscate property.
Socialists eventually run out of other people's money so they steal yours.
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #302 - Sep 22nd, 2026 at 12:06pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 21st, 2026 at 5:55pm:
You could do that but it won't help long-term.

People , most people, would always like more cash or sexual partners or bigger muscles or to feel good and content.


But the state only needs to ensure access to the essentials (defined) for all, not the private desires of citizens.

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There is a right way and an easy way to achieve the above ( or any goal) and they are mutually exclusive.


Like I said, you have veered off into the realm of private desires - not the government's business (except if criminality is involved). 

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Cash?  Work hard , start a business, fail , learn , improve
Earning cash is the best self development strategy there is.


You are ignoring macro-economic realities, eg falling home owership rates due to market failure.

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The easy/ wrong way ?  Gamble, rob a bank, try to get free cash off rich people.
You learn nothing.


I watched a report on illegal gold-mining in Indonesia: workes are forced into it because other sources of income had disappeared.

And Whyalla?

The prosperity of an entire town in on the line.

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A wealth tax won't hurt the genuinely financial actualized people. In fact it will probably stop a lot of people making the attempt and, paradoxically reduce business competition for the superior independent man.


Possibly; but the need to ensure the essentilas for all remains, which is the government's job. Democracy is on the line, as social breakdown ensues  due to private financial stresses, housing etc. 

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And because the taker gets cash whilst remaining a child in their world view, they will soon spend it and be worse off then before.


Yes: welfare (aka 'sit-down money') should be avoided and employment provided instead, especially for the non-disabled. 

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Rather then tax the wealthy , we should demand they give free seminars and courses and mentor people.


Well - they might say they are too busy, bit ok. ...but with a job guarantee at the end.

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White knight could certainly do with some mentoring.
For 10 years I have been giving him book suggestions which could change his life.
He would not have read one, I'm sure.


White knight is probably looking at macroeconomic dysfunction, like me; governemet needs to stop pretending there is no alternative to the current system. 

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This is his limiting belief.
People have success barriers coming out their ass.
They don't want to get cash.
They would have to give up complaining and it's their only source of meaning in life


Not everyone is creative, but all are capable of contributing, provided dysfunctional family situations are addressed by government.
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #303 - Sep 22nd, 2026 at 1:02pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2026 at 11:48am:
TGD,
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Stevenson is not talking about taxing wages earned by workers,
but taxing increases in asset prices owned by the wealthy 1%



Maybe but we all know it's intended to go after everyone -


No, you can read Stevenson's youtube presentations yourself, his cut-off in the UK is personal wealth of more than 10 million pounds sterling.    

Meanwhile gpvenments are in a bind of course; they are pomising to lower taxes yet still can't properly fund essential public services.


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just like in Pommy land - all inherited wealth -


Not Stevenson's plan.

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The socialist Govts are all bankrupt and are desperately looking for new taxes -
even unfair ones.


Correct (for the sake of the argument).

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You will own nothing and you'll be happy.


Incorrect: unaffordable rents and housing are makng people unhappy - see the Secret Harbour result.

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Only a communist like you would believe that.


I have already stated I want the government to ensure safe housing for everyone - a basic right -  whether in the private or public sector. 

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Communists confiscate property.


Old-fashioned communists did that, in poor societies where poverty was the norm.

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Socialists eventually run out of other people's money so they steal yours.


In a rich society, tax avoidance by the wealthy is a problem, meaning the government can't provide essential public services like afforadable housing for low income groups.

Hence 'socialist' Mamdani's election in New York.

Taxing the super-rich is one solution. (Let's see what Mamdani does).

Another solution is government-issued public money  (not taxpayer money), available to the legal currency-issuing government.

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net




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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #304 - Sep 22nd, 2026 at 1:29pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 22nd, 2026 at 11:25am:
But you are referring to taxpayer money which is collected by the state, by ancient custom.


The definition stands on its own. You are trying to redefine it. Cool

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 22nd, 2026 at 11:25am:
Indeed: state-printed money ("public money") is not the citizens' money. 


And of course you agreed that printing public money devalues the money already in the system. it is therefore, inflationary. Cool

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 22nd, 2026 at 11:25am:
The issue then becomes how to  control inflation, whether public or private money is being spent; excessive spending of either public or private money has the potential to create inflation.


See above. Cool
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #305 - Sep 22nd, 2026 at 1:51pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 22nd, 2026 at 1:02pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2026 at 11:48am:
TGD,
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Stevenson is not talking about taxing wages earned by workers,
but taxing increases in asset prices owned by the wealthy 1%



Maybe but we all know it's intended to go after everyone -


No, you can read Stevenson's youtube presentations yourself, his cut-off in the UK is personal wealth of more than 10 million pounds sterling.    

Meanwhile gpvenments are in a bind of course; they are pomising to lower taxes yet still can't properly fund essential public services.


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just like in Pommy land - all inherited wealth -


Not Stevenson's plan.

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The socialist Govts are all bankrupt and are desperately looking for new taxes -
even unfair ones.


Correct (for the sake of the argument).

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You will own nothing and you'll be happy.


Incorrect: unaffordable rents and housing are makng people unhappy - see the Secret Harbour result.

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Only a communist like you would believe that.


I have already stated I want the government to ensure safe housing for everyone - a basic right -  whether in the private or public sector. 

Quote:
Communists confiscate property.


Old-fashioned communists did that, in poor societies where poverty was the norm.

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Socialists eventually run out of other people's money so they steal yours.


In a rich society, tax avoidance by the wealthy is a problem, meaning the government can't provide essential public services like afforadable housing for low income groups.

Hence 'socialist' Mamdani's election in New York.

Taxing the super-rich is one solution. (Let's see what Mamdani does).

Another solution is government-issued public money  (not taxpayer money), available to the legal currency-issuing government.

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net




Dear TGD,

are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?


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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #306 - Sep 23rd, 2026 at 11:45am
 
lee wrote on Sep 22nd, 2026 at 1:29pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 22nd, 2026 at 11:25am:
But you are referring to taxpayer money which is collected by the state, by ancient custom.


The definition stands on its own. You are trying to redefine it. Cool


Exactly: you can't cope with a logical statement?

C-I government, by definition,  doesn't NEED to 'collect money' from its citizens.

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And of course you agreed that printing public money devalues the money already in the system. it is therefore, inflationary. Cool


Wrong: price controls and zero central-bank interest rates will fix inflation.


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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #307 - Sep 23rd, 2026 at 11:46am
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2026 at 1:51pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 22nd, 2026 at 1:02pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 22nd, 2026 at 11:48am:
TGD,
Quote:
Stevenson is not talking about taxing wages earned by workers,
but taxing increases in asset prices owned by the wealthy 1%



Maybe but we all know it's intended to go after everyone -


No, you can read Stevenson's youtube presentations yourself, his cut-off in the UK is personal wealth of more than 10 million pounds sterling.    

Meanwhile gpvenments are in a bind of course; they are pomising to lower taxes yet still can't properly fund essential public services.


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just like in Pommy land - all inherited wealth -


Not Stevenson's plan.

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The socialist Govts are all bankrupt and are desperately looking for new taxes -
even unfair ones.


Correct (for the sake of the argument).

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You will own nothing and you'll be happy.


Incorrect: unaffordable rents and housing are makng people unhappy - see the Secret Harbour result.

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Only a communist like you would believe that.


I have already stated I want the government to ensure safe housing for everyone - a basic right -  whether in the private or public sector. 

Quote:
Communists confiscate property.


Old-fashioned communists did that, in poor societies where poverty was the norm.

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Socialists eventually run out of other people's money so they steal yours.


In a rich society, tax avoidance by the wealthy is a problem, meaning the government can't provide essential public services like afforadable housing for low income groups.

Hence 'socialist' Mamdani's election in New York.

Taxing the super-rich is one solution. (Let's see what Mamdani does).

Another solution is government-issued public money  (not taxpayer money), available to the legal currency-issuing government.

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net




Dear TGD,

are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?



No.

But have you ever thought about economic fairness eg housing as a basic right?
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #308 - Sep 23rd, 2026 at 12:21pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 23rd, 2026 at 11:45am:
Exactly: you can't cope with a logical statement?



You don't do logical. You try to redefine to your image. Cool

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 23rd, 2026 at 11:45am:
C-I government, by definition,  doesn't NEED to 'collect money' from its citizens.


But collect it does, in the name of "public money". Cool

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 23rd, 2026 at 11:45am:
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And of course you agreed that printing public money devalues the money already in the system. it is therefore, inflationary. Cool


Wrong: price controls and zero central-bank interest rates will fix inflation.


As David Koch said yesterday about Bullock and Chalmers the greatest part of inflation in Australia IS government. people are saving, people are not spending, therefore inflation lies elsewhere.

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 23rd, 2026 at 11:45am:
Wrong: price controls and zero central-bank interest rates will fix inflation.



Ah the hammer, the anvil and hope. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #309 - Sep 26th, 2026 at 12:55pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 23rd, 2026 at 12:21pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 23rd, 2026 at 11:45am:
Exactly: you can't cope with a logical statement?



You don't do logical. You try to redefine to your image. Cool


Your error: a legal  currency-issuer doesn't NEED to tax or borrow, by definition.

You are confusing ancient custom with logic.

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But collect it does, in the name of "public money". Cool


...by ancient custom, thereby conflating 'taxpayer money" with "public money".

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As David Koch said yesterday about Bullock and Chalmers the greatest part of inflation in Australia IS government. people are saving, people are not spending, therefore inflation lies elsewhere.


Inflation currently is caused by two concurrent wars.......and private building companies are going broke because prices are too high; government should be using free (treasury-issued) money to build public housing.

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Ah the hammer, the anvil and hope. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Planning resources mobilization?

Admittedly not a market economy's method.

Let's see if Bullock causes a recession by chocking-off demand, given the cost of living crisis; she says unemployment might have to rise to 5% to 'control inflation'. 

...while govts. even now aren't funding the essentials.

You are stuck in the 'austerity' paradigm, rather than the abundance paradigm; and consequently democracy is  becoming unstable as inequality soars....while the punters think Pauline can fix it.... 




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Reply #310 - Sep 26th, 2026 at 1:37pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 26th, 2026 at 12:55pm:
a legal  currency-issuer doesn't NEED to tax or borrow, by definition.


So the way is to print money, which you admit devalues the underlying currency in existence. Cool

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 26th, 2026 at 12:55pm:
by ancient custom, thereby conflating 'taxpayer money" with "public money".


That is your definition. Cool

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 26th, 2026 at 12:55pm:
Inflation currently is caused by two concurrent wars.


The government is not in an ongoing war. Cool

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 26th, 2026 at 12:55pm:
nd private building companies are going broke because prices are too high; government should be using free (treasury-issued) money to build public housing.


If private companies are going broke it is because they are not making a profit, which undermines claims of profit gouging. Cool

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 26th, 2026 at 12:55pm:
Planning resources mobilization?


And yet the Government and Greens keep putting obstacles in the way. Cool

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 26th, 2026 at 12:55pm:
Let's see if Bullock causes a recession by chocking-off demand, given the cost of living crisis; she says unemployment might have to rise to 5% to 'control inflation'. 


But as I said people are not spending, they are saving, that means the problem is elsewhere. Cool

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 26th, 2026 at 12:55pm:
...while govts. even now aren't funding the essentials.


So exactly what are they funding, that is causing inflationary rises? Cool

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 26th, 2026 at 12:55pm:
You are stuck in the 'austerity' paradigm, rather than the abundance paradigm; and consequently democracy is  becoming unstable as inequality soars..



You are the one that wants to imbed inflation further into Government.Inflation hurts the poorest most. Cool
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Reply #311 - Sep 27th, 2026 at 12:16pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 26th, 2026 at 1:37pm:
[quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1642444396/309#309 date=1790391338]a legal  currency-issuer doesn't NEED to tax or borrow, by definition.


So the way is to print money, which you admit devalues the underlying currency in existence. Cool Quote:
Yes; and devaluing the money in existance is not a given - it depends on whether the printed money is spent on increasing the nation's productive capacity.

Note today's headlines: 

(This Is Money)

Why Andy Burnham is facing an impossible budget - and the three toxic choices he has: Simon Lambert

Pressure is mounting on the UK over its debts at the worst possible time, with the national debt interest bill hitting £8.8 billion in August alone.

As Andy Burnham and John Healey desperately try to pull together their first Budget, the terrifying reality is that Britain is now spending £327 million a day just on debt interest.

Ahead of the crucial October 28 Budget, This is Money's Simon Lambert explains in the video above why the government is facing an impossible financial nightmare, and the three toxic choices they are now forced to make with your money.


https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA2d1aEZ.img?w=768&h=461...

..."an impossible financial nightmare...."


Best to forget "your money"  ((taxpayer money/also wrongly known as public money in your estimation) , and have the treasury print the money to pay off the debtors.

...The only way to deal with "the impossible nightmare" and avoid a political revolution...... the ugliest type of revolution....


This will remove money from the private sector economy, reducing inflation (bond holders want to invest their money, not spend it); allowing the govt to spend on productivity enhancing projects like housing and education, wihout taxing or borrrowing your money tp pay off unproductive debt.   


[quote]You are the one that wants to imbed inflation further into Government.Inflation hurts the poorest most. Cool


No, I want to manage inflation directly via intelligent mobilization of available resources, not the blind 'invisible hand' of the market.

We will see how the "impossible nightmare" facing debt-laden governments  manifests itself soon enough.

Hold on for the ride....
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Reply #312 - Sep 27th, 2026 at 12:27pm
 
Define 'wealth' ..........
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Reply #313 - Sep 27th, 2026 at 12:59pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 27th, 2026 at 12:16pm:
So the way is to print money, which you admit devalues the underlying currency in existence. Cool Quote:
Yes; and devaluing the money in existance is not a given - it depends on whether the printed money is spent on increasing the nation's productive capacity.



So what you wrote on July 12, in response to me is fallacious.

"lee:Ah then you want the Australian government to buy out the oil developers, with free money of course. Free money lowers the exchange rate of old money. Cool"


tgd: "The world still wants Oz resources; and a one-off devaluation is acceptable (during the buy-out)."

But you propose printing money more thasn once. Cool

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 27th, 2026 at 12:16pm:
I want to manage inflation directly via intelligent mobilization of available resources, not the blind 'invisible hand' of the market.


Ah intelligence, politicians and bureaucrats all aligned. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 27th, 2026 at 12:16pm:
We will see how the "impossible nightmare" facing debt-laden governments  manifests itself soon enough.

Teah. just keep printing money, all's good. /sarc
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Reply #314 - Sep 28th, 2026 at 1:18pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 27th, 2026 at 12:59pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 27th, 2026 at 12:16pm:
So the way is to print money, which you admit devalues the underlying currency in existence. Cool Quote:

TGD; I qualified: "and devaluing the money in existance is not a given - it depends on whether the printed money is spent on increasing the nation's productive capacity."



So what you wrote on July 12, in response to me is fallacious....But you propose printing money more than once. Cool



Yes: but your assertion 'money printing' (more than once ie, after a one-off exchange rate devalution)  necessarily devalues money is wrong, as I said: 

I want to manage inflation directly via intelligent mobilization of available resources, not the blind 'invisible hand' of the market.

Your dismissal is merely an assertion 'intelligent mobilization of resources" is impossible.

News flash: not only is it possible, it's necessary to counter the impending "impossible nightmare" governments are facing as they are overwhelmed by debt which must be repaid.

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Teah. just keep printing money, all's good. /sarc


If the public sector printed money maintains/increases national productivity, all is good.

https://publicmoneypublicgood.net/

(Note: the US govt. debt just hit $30 trillion, but only dumb mainstream 'debt hawks' are gettihng their knikers in a knot: the US (and eg, China) are  maintaining productive capacity and growing the economy, despite the debt.


Meanwhile you are forgetting all money is "printed" ie created out of thin air, mostly in private banks at present when they write loans for credit worthy customers  - which is the problem (ie denying the c-i govt the capacity to issue its own non-bank free money, resulting in bankrupt public sectors (governments)  everywhere, which a disillusioned electorate is now increasingly rejecting as essential public services go begging.  
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