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Re: Republic
Reply #300 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 7:41am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 19th, 2022 at 7:24pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 19th, 2022 at 5:55pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 2:28pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 12:17pm:
How can you determine where to go if you don't acknowledge where you have been?

Your aversion to discussions about history are typical of someone who neither knows any or understand it's effects, Lisa.   Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


1. I absolutely love history. Foxtel's History Channel is basically always on here. I love waking up to it lol.

2. The word is its NOT it's.



Excuse me Brian....could you address this post please?


Why should I address it?  I have already answered the point 2.  Point 1?  Well if you watch History Channel no wonder you have problems with understanding history.  How many aliens built the pyramids and why did the Nazis turn out to be such losers?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Bwyannnnnn never answers or discusses any pertinent issues.

His preference is to post silly memes and act like an idiot.

But, in his defense, he is a child or retarded so I guess he cant help it
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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Re: Republic
Reply #301 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 9:17am
 
Valkie wrote on Jan 20th, 2022 at 7:41am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 19th, 2022 at 7:24pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 19th, 2022 at 5:55pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 2:28pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 12:17pm:
How can you determine where to go if you don't acknowledge where you have been?

Your aversion to discussions about history are typical of someone who neither knows any or understand it's effects, Lisa.   Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


1. I absolutely love history. Foxtel's History Channel is basically always on here. I love waking up to it lol.

2. The word is its NOT it's.



Excuse me Brian....could you address this post please?


Why should I address it?  I have already answered the point 2.  Point 1?  Well if you watch History Channel no wonder you have problems with understanding history.  How many aliens built the pyramids and why did the Nazis turn out to be such losers?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Bwyannnnnn never answers or discusses any pertinent issues.

His preference is to post silly memes and act like an idiot.

But, in his defense, he is a child or retarded so I guess he cant help it


You forgot to mention that he's an avid fan of Ancient Aliens 😂🤣😆
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Re: Republic
Reply #302 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 9:20am
 
Valkie wrote on Jan 20th, 2022 at 7:41am:
Bwyannnnnn never answers or discusses any pertinent issues.



you're as stupid as lisa and just as clueless.

He's addressed point 2 and what would you suggest he reply to lisa pretending she watches history channel? who cares what she watches. It doesn't deserve a reply.
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Reply #303 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 9:25am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 20th, 2022 at 9:17am:
Valkie wrote on Jan 20th, 2022 at 7:41am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 19th, 2022 at 7:24pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 19th, 2022 at 5:55pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 2:28pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 12:17pm:
How can you determine where to go if you don't acknowledge where you have been?

Your aversion to discussions about history are typical of someone who neither knows any or understand it's effects, Lisa.   Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


1. I absolutely love history. Foxtel's History Channel is basically always on here. I love waking up to it lol.

2. The word is its NOT it's.



Excuse me Brian....could you address this post please?


Why should I address it?  I have already answered the point 2.  Point 1?  Well if you watch History Channel no wonder you have problems with understanding history.  How many aliens built the pyramids and why did the Nazis turn out to be such losers?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Bwyannnnnn never answers or discusses any pertinent issues.

His preference is to post silly memes and act like an idiot.

But, in his defense, he is a child or retarded so I guess he cant help it


You forgot to mention that he's an avid fan of Ancient Aliens 😂🤣😆


Oh and Bwian's naive comment re why the Nazis were such losers fails to grasp the reality of where certain prominent Nazis ended up post WW2.

This is also why he should stick to coloured pictures. It's all he's really competent in. 😂🤣😆

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Reply #304 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 9:49am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 3:50pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 3:28pm:
No apostrophe in the possessive use of it so ‘its.” But there is an apostrophe when ‘It is’ is condensed to “it’s.”


Oh dearie, dearie, me, a grammar flame!  i haven't had one of those for over a decade.  Tsh, tsh, tsh...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You call THAT a flame? Wow!
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Reply #305 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 10:10am
 
Our HoS shouls be popularly elected and have the power the GG has now. Simple.
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Reply #306 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 10:20am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 20th, 2022 at 9:49am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 3:50pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 3:28pm:
No apostrophe in the possessive use of it so ‘its.” But there is an apostrophe when ‘It is’ is condensed to “it’s.”


Oh dearie, dearie, me, a grammar flame!  i haven't had one of those for over a decade.  Tsh, tsh, tsh...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You call THAT a flame? Wow!


When idiots have no argument, no facts, no .ogic and low intellegence.

They resort to grammar attacks.

I have worked with some of tge most intellegent engineers in Australia and overseas.
Nearly all of them have bad grammar.
Why?
Because the content is far more important than spelling or grammar.

Now, most grammar nazis are idiots, teachers,  hr managers, public servants.
Who have not the brains to calculate complex formula, let alone understand it.
So, to make themselves feel better ( superior) they play grammar nazi.

I have written 4 books.
I PAY a pleb to go through them and fix spelling and grammar.
And what I pay is a pittance against what I get.

One of the worst grammar nazis I have ever had the misfortune to know.
Was a HR manager.
She Was continually sending everyone's email back (copy all) with corrections.
Firstly, people stopped sending her email, even important email somehow overlooked her.

Then the idiot tried to speak.
She copped it so bad from the audience when she mispronounced several words and people started correcting her, tgat she walked out.
The final straw was PACIFIC, she meant SPECIFIC.
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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
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Reply #307 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 10:24am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 20th, 2022 at 10:10am:
Our HoS shouls be popularly elected and have the power the GG has now. Simple.

Arguments against election

Sir Samuel Griffith, who was later to become the first Chief Justice of the High Court (1903-19), sympathised with the view expressed by Sir George that the office of Governor-General should be open to all Australians, but he noted, with some prescience, that this would end up happening anyway, even if the Governor-General were to be appointed by the monarch.(8)

Alfred Deakin, who was later to become Prime Minister of Australia (1903-04, 1905-08 and 1909-10), responded to Sir George's argument by noting that the position of Governor-General would not be an office to which anyone with leadership ambitions would aspire, because the position does not hold any independent political power. He drew a distinction between the role of the Governor-General and that of the President of the United States:

To make it an object of ambition, you must change its character altogether, and make it an office like that of the President of the United States-a high executive office in which a man can carry out his ideas and give effect to his principles. If you do that, you must consider his election. We should insist upon it. If he becomes a personage in the political life of the country, his office must be elective. We cannot afford to have in our constitution any man exercising authority, unless he derives it from the people of Australia. At the present time we say that the governor-general exercises no such authority.(9)

While Deakin was arguing that it would only be necessary to elect the Governor-General if his or her office were one in which true authority were to be exercised, Sir John Downer argued the other side of the coin. He considered that the mere fact of election might be sufficient to transform the office of Governor-General into a powerful one which would compete with the role of Prime Minister. He suggested that there might have been some merit in a proposal to dispense with the Governor-General and Governors altogether, as some consider them mere 'baubles', but he would not countenance the election of the Governor-General. Sir John considered that the very fact of election would mean that the Governor-General would 'speak with authority, and assume a dominion over the commonwealth, which we are certainly not prepared to concede'. He concluded:

...we are not prepared to interfere with the cardinal principle of our constitution, and that is, that the nominal head of the government should be only the nominal head of the executive, and not become a real, substantial, legislative force in the community.(10)

Sir George Grey's motion, which would have allowed the election of the Governor-General, was lost by a majority of 35 to 3.

When the issue arose again at the Adelaide Constitutional Convention of 1897, Edmund Barton, who was also subsequently Prime Minister of Australia (1901-03) and a Justice of the High Court (1903-20), raised the point that election of the Governor-General would make the position partisan, and that this might lead to a conflict with the principles of responsible government. He warned:

If we are to elect our Governor-General, and to appoint the man who looms large in party politics in our own country, we shall be placing in the position a man, who by necessities of the case, and by the facts of his career, must be a partisan. I think if we continue under the system of responsible government... and yet elect our Governor-General-it will follow that by electing a man from one side, we shall be electing a man who may have a strong temptation to the thwarting of one Ministry and unfairly assisting another.(11)

Similar problems were raised by Charles Kingston. He was concerned that election would afford the Governor or Governor-General greater democratic legitimacy than Ministers. He argued:

The working of a system of popular election of our Governor in connection with our responsible government would raise many difficulties. It would be difficult to keep the Governor so elected in his proper place, and induce him to take the advice of his constitutional advisers with that humility which is proper in the discharge of his vice-regal duties. He would say that his position was somewhat superior to that of his ministers-elected by constituencies and removable by a vote of the House of Representatives-in view of his election by the people throughout the colony; and, under the circumstances, I am not in favour of an elective Governor.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/Publications_Archive/Background_Papers/bp9798/98bp12
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Reply #308 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 10:39am
 
Naive republicans have this (most likely) American inspired notion of an elected HOS whom the naively expect will act exactly like a G-G: apolitical, silent and almost invisible.

Yet they are deafeningly silent on how to deal with an elected HOS who 'goes rogue' (i.e. is political, rowdy and highly visible).

Impeachment? Removal by 2/3 of parliament in one house or combined? Removal by the HOG alone? Who can't imagine that any of these options would rip the country apart?

And what is an impeachable offense (outside of indisputable criminality)? How could political, rowdy and highly visible be defined such that the 'offending' HOS should be, without question removed from office?

The founding fathers of the US recognised the omnipresent danger of nation-dividing potential enmity between a HOS and a HOG (being students of British history) so they, (for better or arguably worse), combined the offices into a single one: the president.

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Reply #309 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 11:16am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 20th, 2022 at 9:49am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 3:50pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 3:28pm:
No apostrophe in the possessive use of it so ‘its.” But there is an apostrophe when ‘It is’ is condensed to “it’s.”


Oh dearie, dearie, me, a grammar flame!  i haven't had one of those for over a decade.  Tsh, tsh, tsh...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You call THAT a flame? Wow!


I was being sarcastic.  Why don't you criticise Matty for his appalling spelling and grammar mistakes he makes in most posts?  It seems to be me that you are being rather particular in what you see and comment on...  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #310 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 11:22am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 20th, 2022 at 9:25am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 20th, 2022 at 9:17am:
Valkie wrote on Jan 20th, 2022 at 7:41am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 19th, 2022 at 7:24pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 19th, 2022 at 5:55pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 2:28pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 12:17pm:
How can you determine where to go if you don't acknowledge where you have been?

Your aversion to discussions about history are typical of someone who neither knows any or understand it's effects, Lisa.   Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


1. I absolutely love history. Foxtel's History Channel is basically always on here. I love waking up to it lol.

2. The word is its NOT it's.



Excuse me Brian....could you address this post please?


Why should I address it?  I have already answered the point 2.  Point 1?  Well if you watch History Channel no wonder you have problems with understanding history.  How many aliens built the pyramids and why did the Nazis turn out to be such losers?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Bwyannnnnn never answers or discusses any pertinent issues.

His preference is to post silly memes and act like an idiot.

But, in his defense, he is a child or retarded so I guess he cant help it


You forgot to mention that he's an avid fan of Ancient Aliens 😂🤣😆


Oh and Bwian's naive comment re why the Nazis were such losers fails to grasp the reality of where certain prominent Nazis ended up post WW2.

This is also why he should stick to coloured pictures. It's all he's really competent in. 😂🤣😆


I resort to memes because I feel that certain posters are not worth replying to.  Lisa, you're rapidly entering that sphere.

Oh, and the Nazis lost WWII because they were incompetent nincompoops in the main and hopeless managers of their economy.  Ideology was more important than reality.  They could never outproduce the fUSSR, the UK and the US combined.  Morally their ideology sucked as well, the disenfranchising millions of potential financiers and workers who could have helped them simply because they worshipped a different god to themselves...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #311 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 11:23am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 20th, 2022 at 9:17am:
Valkie wrote on Jan 20th, 2022 at 7:41am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 19th, 2022 at 7:24pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 19th, 2022 at 5:55pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 2:28pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17th, 2022 at 12:17pm:
How can you determine where to go if you don't acknowledge where you have been?

Your aversion to discussions about history are typical of someone who neither knows any or understand it's effects, Lisa.   Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


1. I absolutely love history. Foxtel's History Channel is basically always on here. I love waking up to it lol.

2. The word is its NOT it's.



Excuse me Brian....could you address this post please?


Why should I address it?  I have already answered the point 2.  Point 1?  Well if you watch History Channel no wonder you have problems with understanding history.  How many aliens built the pyramids and why did the Nazis turn out to be such losers?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Bwyannnnnn never answers or discusses any pertinent issues.

His preference is to post silly memes and act like an idiot.

But, in his defense, he is a child or retarded so I guess he cant help it


You forgot to mention that he's an avid fan of Ancient Aliens 😂🤣😆


It appears obvious sarcasm is wasted on you Lisa.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #312 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 11:35am
 
Any danger of the elected HoS becoming “rowdy” could be fixed by only allowing them 1 3year term.

ANYTHING is better than now where the PM appoints the (effective) HoS.
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Reply #313 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 11:41am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jan 20th, 2022 at 11:35am:
Any danger of the elected HoS becoming “rowdy” could be fixed by only allowing them 1 3year term.

Enough time to cause a constitutional crisis by covert undermining of parliament / government using his/her popular mandate.

The process of removal of the HOS is a major problem that remains unanswered by republicans.
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Reply #314 - Jan 20th, 2022 at 11:43am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 20th, 2022 at 11:22am:
the disenfranchising millions of potential financiers and workers who could have helped them simply because they worshipped a different god to themselves...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

More that they were perceived as a fifth column that ensured the defeat of Germany in WW1.
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