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Jan 8th, 2022 at 5:58am
 
Great Barrier Reef election battle brews amid fears of more coral bleaching

Brisbane Times
January 7, 2022


The government agency that oversees the Great Barrier Reef has warned it is at risk of another summer of coral bleaching as the major parties prepare for an election campaign clash over management of the natural wonder.

Visiting Queensland on Friday, Labor leader Anthony Albanese attacked the government’s environmental record as he pledged $163 million for conservation and to dismantle the controversial Great Barrier Reef Foundation championed by former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull.

The Great Barrier Reef is at risk of coral bleaching again this summer.


Mr Albanese said the foundation, which received $443 million in seed capital in 2018 and set a target to raise $357 million in private funds, had failed to deliver value for taxpayers. Australia’s Auditor-General found in May the organisation had raised just $54 million – 99 per cent of which was for in-kind services, with just $684,000 in cash donations.

The Opposition Leader also accused the government of being “hostage” to climate sceptics in the Coalition.   Sad


Back-to-back La Nina weather events have produced two wet years in Australia, including the wettest November on record in 2021.
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“If you’re allowing [Nationals leader] Barnaby Joyce and the Nationals party to control your climate policy, then you’re not fair dinkum about protecting the reef. It’s as simple as that,” he said.   Sad

A spokesman for Environment Minister Sussan Ley said the government had committed $1.9 billion for the reef to date.

“The Morrison government will continue to invest heavily in the reef and in its community,” the spokesman said.

The Great Barrier Reef is a relatively uncontroversial environmental issue for both major parties to campaign on heading into the federal election, due by the end of May, with the tourism drawcard supporting 64,000 jobs and contributing $6.4 billion to the economy.



Central Queensland, where coal and gas are major industries, is a key battleground for votes and speculation is rife in the sector that the government will soon make the reef a subject of an election commitment with a hefty price tag.

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Scientists say both major parties’ climate commitments fail to act consistently with the global action required to reduce carbon emissions enough to save the reef. The government and Labor have committed to reach net zero by 2050 and to curb emissions 28 per cent and 43 per cent by 2030, respectively.

Climate change is heating ocean and atmospheric temperatures, raising the risk of mass bleaching events. The Great Barrier Reef suffered severe back-to-back bleaching that wiped out swathes of corals in 2016, 2017 and 2020.

While there have been consecutive La Nina weather events, which typically bring cooler conditions, in the past two years, Australia has warmed by 1.4 degrees, faster than the global average, and scientists warn the reef is now at risk of bleaching every summer.

Global coral cover is forecast to decline 95 per cent under 2 degrees of warming, and 70 per cent under 1.5 degrees.


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The Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority is expecting another bleaching event this summer, with corals already under heat stress due to elevated sea surface temperatures since December.

However, the authority said on Friday it remained to be seen if bleaching would be small or large scale, with its severity dependent on cloud cover, rain or cyclones.

“In the past, La Nina conditions would have meant very little chance of mass bleaching on the reef, but as average sea surface temperatures are rising, this is no longer the case,” a spokesperson said.

“Climate change is the greatest threat to the Great Barrier Reef. Only the strongest and fastest possible actions to decrease global greenhouse gas emissions will reduce the risks and limit the impacts of climate change.”

Meanwhile, the government faces a test over the reef from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO), which is considering another move to rescind its World Heritage status.

UNESCO issued a draft decision in June to list the reef’s World Heritage status as “in danger”, citing concerns over Australia’s climate change policy and management of water quality. While a majority of countries on UNESCO’s committee voted against downgrading the reef’s status, Australia is required to provide an update to justify its World Heritage ranking by next month.
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Reply #1 - Jan 8th, 2022 at 12:15pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Jan 8th, 2022 at 5:58am:
The government agency that oversees the Great Barrier Reef has warned it is at risk of another summer of coral bleaching as the major parties prepare for an election campaign clash over management of the natural wonder.


Oh dear. Coral bleaching has occurred for over 300 years. It is when the corals expel their symbiont zooxanthellae. The corals DON"T die. The zooxanthellae come back, maybe the same genus maybe not. But it is a natural event.

It is to do with the rate of change not the change itself. A rapid change - coral bleaching; a slow change no coral bleaching.

"Here, we use linear extensions from 44 overlapping GBR coral cores to extend the observational bleaching record by reconstructing temperature-induced bleaching patterns over 381 years spanning 1620–2001."

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmars.2018.00283/full

whiteknight wrote on Jan 8th, 2022 at 5:58am:
Global coral cover is forecast to decline 95 per cent under 2 degrees of warming, and 70 per cent under 1.5 degrees.


And yet corals have survived periods when it was warmer and periods when it was cooler. It has survived over a very long time span. Roll Eyes
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Coral bleaching has occurred for over 300 years.


Thanks Lee. That's reassuring.
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Reply #3 - Jan 8th, 2022 at 1:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 8th, 2022 at 12:19pm:
Thanks Lee. That's reassuring.


That's the data. Do you have a longer time period in mind? Wink
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Reply #4 - Jan 8th, 2022 at 1:24pm
 
From the OP ...

... the government had committed
$1.9 billion
for the reef to date.

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Reply #5 - Jan 8th, 2022 at 2:34pm
 
Another paper - Extract

"“Yonge already in 1931 found that living corals on the Great Barrier Reef were bleached after being exposed to high temperature (Oliver et al. 2009; Yonge and Nicholls 1931), and Kamenos and Hennige (2018) recorded the traces of coral bleaching in coral rock cores from the Great Barrier Reef back to 1575. So, coral bleaching is a phenomenon that always has existed as a normal way of adaptation to changing water temperatures, and is not a modern phenomenon.”

https://km.dmcr.go.th/ckeditor/upload/files/Research%20Bulletin/FullpaperPMBC/06...

It is so old it is new again. Wink
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Reply #6 - Jan 8th, 2022 at 7:02pm
 
If it's too hot for the coral won't it just move further South
over many years?

We might end up with it growing near Sydney.
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Reply #7 - Jan 8th, 2022 at 7:27pm
 
That would be Lord Howe Island at 31.53ºS.
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Reply #8 - Jan 8th, 2022 at 7:55pm
 
The good thing about the GBR bleaching and dying off for any positive Tourism, is that the Mining Companies will have free avenue to exploit the area.

Sorta like saying Abos never really existed here in the first place.
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Reply #9 - Jan 8th, 2022 at 8:14pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 8th, 2022 at 1:14pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 8th, 2022 at 12:19pm:
Thanks Lee. That's reassuring.


That's the data. Do you have a longer time period in mind? Wink


Longer than the time it can take a coral to grow would be a good start.

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The corals DON"T die.


You are so full of crap Lee. Corals can and do die completely as a result of bleaching. The reef can be reduced to algae coated rubble.
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Reply #10 - Jan 8th, 2022 at 8:52pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 8th, 2022 at 8:14pm:
Longer than the time it can take a coral to grow would be a good start.



Poor petal. Corals grow from the spawn. Didn't you know that. So tiny little beings building ever so slowly. So perhaps what you mean is measurable growth. Wink

But look at the data from AIMS -
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Also take into account the Crown of Thorn (Starfish (COTS) which is a natural predator. And Cyclones they are detrimental too. Wink

freediver wrote on Jan 8th, 2022 at 8:14pm:
You are so full of crap Lee. Corals can and do die completely as a result of bleaching.


So tell us petal when and where they did the necropsies. perhaps you mean those "dead" corals that channeled Lazarus. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

But they do die of old age. Wink

Edit: BTW Flying over the coral, as was done, does not show corals as either dead or alive. The colour varies with the depth of the water.
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Reply #11 - Jan 8th, 2022 at 10:30pm
 
You are full of crap Lee. You can get in the water and see the dead coral reefs for yourself, covered in algae.
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Reply #12 - Jan 9th, 2022 at 11:54am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 8th, 2022 at 10:30pm:
You are full of crap Lee. You can get in the water and see the dead coral reefs for yourself, covered in algae.


The different coloured algae (zooxanthellae) are the "colour" of the reef. No algae - white - bleached.

https://oceantoday.noaa.gov/fullmoon-coralandalgae/welcome.html

" The algae also give a coral its color; coral polyps are actually transparent, so the color of the algae inside the polyps show through."

https://www.epa.gov/coral-reefs/basic-information-about-coral-reefs


How deep? The colour "washes out" with depth.

Never admit your lack of knowledge do you?
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Reply #13 - Jan 9th, 2022 at 11:56am
 
You are full of crap Lee.

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Reply #14 - Jan 9th, 2022 at 12:03pm
 
So how far under water was your picture taken? Was it colour corrected to take out the "blue" of the ocean?

" This is because wavelengths in the blue part of the visible light spectrum penetrate water to some few metres, while all the wavelengths in the red part of the spectrum are absorbed by 5 metres under the water. "

https://jennifermarohasy.com/2021/09/bleached-from-a-distance/
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Reply #15 - Jan 9th, 2022 at 12:07pm
 
You are full of crap Lee. You can see the water's surface in the photo. You can see algae growing over the dead coral. It could be 1km down. It would still be dead coral covered in algae.

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You are full of crap Lee.
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Reply #16 - Jan 9th, 2022 at 12:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 9th, 2022 at 12:07pm:
You can see the water's surface in the photo.


And yet you still can't tell us the depth of the photo. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #17 - Jan 9th, 2022 at 12:13pm
 
I can tell you that you are full of crap.
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Reply #18 - Jan 9th, 2022 at 12:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 9th, 2022 at 12:13pm:
I can tell you that you are full of crap.


I will ask you a different question. Was the photo taken of a bleached coral? Grin Grin Grin
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Duh.

You are full of crap Lee.
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Reply #20 - Jan 9th, 2022 at 2:48pm
 
So you have a [photo. You don't at what depth the photo was taken, so we don't know it it is dead or not colour corrected. We also don't know whether this photo is supposed to be "death due to climate", if it is in fact dead.

You are such a numpty. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #21 - Jan 9th, 2022 at 3:00pm
 
Looks more contaminated by silt run-off from Farms than bleaching.
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lee wrote on Jan 9th, 2022 at 2:48pm:
So you have a [photo. You don't at what depth the photo was taken, so we don't know it it is dead or not colour corrected. We also don't know whether this photo is supposed to be "death due to climate", if it is in fact dead.

You are such a numpty. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


I know it is dead. Everyone knows it is dead. Because we have eyes. Everyone except you.

You are full of crap lee.
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Reply #23 - Jan 10th, 2022 at 2:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 9th, 2022 at 9:47pm:
I know it is dead. Everyone knows it is dead. Because we have eyes.


Let's recap You don't know at what depth the photo was taken, you don't know if they have used colour correction and you don't know, if dead, whether it is due to AGW/CC.

But you can tell just by looking at that photo. freediver the photo whisperer. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #24 - Jan 10th, 2022 at 3:13pm
 
There are Coral Reefs 500m down that are dead - thanks to Trawling.
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Reply #25 - Jan 10th, 2022 at 7:00pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 10th, 2022 at 2:58pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 9th, 2022 at 9:47pm:
I know it is dead. Everyone knows it is dead. Because we have eyes.


Let's recap You don't know at what depth the photo was taken, you don't know if they have used colour correction and you don't know, if dead, whether it is due to AGW/CC.

But you can tell just by looking at that photo. freediver the photo whisperer. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Can you tell if this person is alive or dead Lee?

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Reply #26 - Jan 10th, 2022 at 7:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 10th, 2022 at 7:00pm:
Can you tell if this person is alive or dead Lee?


Yes because humans have an internal bone structure. Wink

Can you tell whether coral is alive or dead without a necropsy? Wink
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Did I mention you are full of crap?
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Reply #28 - Jan 10th, 2022 at 8:04pm
 
Did you forget corals have an exoskeleton? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Some Coral are edible.
Some Coral are edible only once.
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Reply #30 - Jan 11th, 2022 at 7:21pm
 
You are full of crap Lee.

https://www.aims.gov.au/docs/research/climate-change/coral-bleaching/coral-bleaching.html#:~:text=Bleached%20corals%20can%20no%20longer,for%20one%20or%20two%20years.

Bleached corals can no longer gain energy from photosynthesis, and if bleaching persists for an extended period, corals will starve and die.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_bleaching

Some corals recover[1] if conditions return to normal,[3] and some corals can feed themselves.[3] However, the majority of coral without zooxanthellae starve.

In 2016, bleaching of coral on the Great Barrier Reef killed between 29 and 50 percent of the reef's coral.[9][10][11] In 2017, the bleaching extended into the central region of the reef.

If the coral polyps die of starvation after bleaching, they will decay. The hard coral species will then leave behind their calcium carbonate skeletons, which will be taken over by algae, effectively blocking coral re-growth.
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Reply #31 - Jan 11th, 2022 at 7:31pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 8th, 2022 at 1:24pm:
From the OP ...

... the government had committed
$1.9 billion
for the reef to date.




is that how much money they gave that mate, without a tender process, that had no office and employed no people?
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Reply #32 - Jan 11th, 2022 at 8:09pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2022 at 7:21pm:
Bleached corals can no longer gain energy from photosynthesis, and if bleaching persists for an extended period, corals will starve and die.


So how long is this extended period? Has it been physically shown or perhaps it is modelled behaviour? Did they do a necropsy of the "dead" coral? Why did the "dead" coral reported by Terry Hughes do a Lazarus.

" AIMS is developing new and more sophisticated models for predicting bleaching threats and corals’ potential to recover and adapt to new climatic conditions. These models are based on our study of the relationships between environmental conditions, coral health and past bleaching events."

And they don't even admit that bleaching is KNOWN to have occurred for over 300 years and STILL survived. Grin Grin Grin Grin

freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2022 at 7:21pm:
In 2016, bleaching of coral on the Great Barrier Reef killed between 29 and 50 percent of the reef's coral.[9][10][11] In 2017, the bleaching extended into the central region of the reef.


Once a reef is dead it can no longer harbour the zooxanthellae.

And it recovered. The Lazarus effect. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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So AIMS has only been studying the reef since 1983. Oh dear.  Wink
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Reply #33 - Jan 11th, 2022 at 8:13pm
 
This is what you said Lee:

lee wrote on Jan 8th, 2022 at 12:15pm:
Oh dear. Coral bleaching has occurred for over 300 years. It is when the corals expel their symbiont zooxanthellae. The corals DON"T die.


You are full of crap.
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The hard coral species will then leave behind their calcium carbonate skeletons, which will be taken over by algae, effectively blocking coral re-growth.


Can you see it yet Lee?
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Reply #35 - Jan 11th, 2022 at 8:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2022 at 8:13pm:
This is what you said Lee:

lee wrote on Jan 8th, 2022 at 10:15am:
Oh dear. Coral bleaching has occurred for over 300 years. It is when the corals expel their symbiont zooxanthellae. The corals DON"T die.


You are full of crap.

Oh dear. You still haven't shown coral died. Grin Grin Grin Grin

freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2022 at 8:15pm:
Quote:
The hard coral species will then leave behind their calcium carbonate skeletons, which will be taken over by algae, effectively blocking coral re-growth.


Oh- Will leave; Not have left? Grin Grin Grin Grin

Can you post where they have shown the coral DIED? It is not in the photo, it is not in anything AIMS have posted.


Once a coral has died it will not be re-inhabited. Corals cannot do a Lazarus.  Roll Eyes
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Can you post where they have shown the coral DIED? It is not in the photo


If you had one eye and half a brain, you could figure it out Lee.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Re: Great Barrier Reef Election Battle Brews
Reply #38 - Jan 12th, 2022 at 12:09pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2022 at 10:14pm:
If you had one eye and half a brain, you could figure it out Lee.


From a photo of undisclosed origin? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

You are like a crayfish - Meat in the tail and sch!t for brains. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #39 - Jan 12th, 2022 at 12:43pm
 
Yes Lee. Without knowing the location. Or the water depth. Or the age and gender of the photographer. Just like you did with this one:

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Unless of course, you are full of crap.
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Reply #40 - Jan 12th, 2022 at 12:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 12th, 2022 at 12:43pm:
Without knowing the location. Or the water depth. Or the age and gender of the photographer. Just like you did with this one:


This was underwater? Good photo. But looking at the edges of the grave it doesn't appear so.

Age and gender of photographer? Oh dear gender analysis is your short suit? Grin Grin Grin Grin

So  you don't understand exoskeleton (like coral) at all then. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #41 - Jan 12th, 2022 at 1:46pm
 
Come on kids - try to keep it civilised please.
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