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Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 9:45am

I'm vaccinated. I don't see any reason not too. But mandatory vaccination is a step too far toward State control. Even though the unvaccinated may pose a threat, to deny them their livelihood is a draconian policy that sets a precedent from which there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, "What next?" Protect yourself as best you can, but don't inflate the Nanny State any further.

https://coronavirus.fairwork.gov.au/coronavirus-and-australian-workplace-laws/co...

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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4186 Gender:	Re: Mandatory Vaccination Reply #2 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:05am It is not about nanny state. It is to ensure that our health care system can withstand the influx of the sick, so that our health care workers dont get burnt out.
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Reply #3 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:12am

issuevoter wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 9:45am:

I'm vaccinated. I don't see any reason not too. But mandatory vaccination is a step too far toward State control. Even though the unvaccinated may pose a threat, to deny them their livelihood is a draconian policy that sets a precedent from which there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, "What next?" Protect yourself as best you can, but don't inflate the Nanny State any further.

I agree.
I'm fully vaccinated but I don't feel comfortable with the precedent this sets.
Whilst anti vaxxers are ignorant idiots, there shouldnt be a law against it.
I know that there is an argument that non vaccinated can put vulnerable people at risk, I believe that is a risk we have to accept in a free liberal democracy

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Reply #4 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:33am

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:12am:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 9:45am:

I'm vaccinated. I don't see any reason not too. But mandatory vaccination is a step too far toward State control. Even though the unvaccinated may pose a threat, to deny them their livelihood is a draconian policy that sets a precedent from which there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, "What next?" Protect yourself as best you can, but don't inflate the Nanny State any further.

I agree.
I'm fully vaccinated but I don't feel comfortable with the precedent this sets.
Whilst anti vaxxers are ignorant idiots, there shouldnt be a law against it.
I know that there is an argument that non vaccinated can put vulnerable people at risk, I believe that is a risk we have to accept in a free liberal democracy

Pretty much so

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Reply #5 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:39am

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:05am:

It is not about nanny state. It is to ensure that our health care system can withstand the influx of the sick, so that our health care workers dont get burnt out.

That's a 'cop' out for not improving the Health System (as ScoMo spends x3 times as much on Defence and Mars Projects) in the first place.

People who prefer not to be vaccinated and they have a 'health' right to do so against nations that are more apt at winning wars, than practicing good medicine (like Western nations). They just also have to respect the rules and rights of those who operate for the Vaccinated.

ie: if you choose not to buy a ticket to the movie, then you must respect the fact that you will not be allowed in to see the movie. Simple.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22336 A cat with a view	Re: Mandatory Vaccination Reply #6 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:43am But my vaccine won't work, unless you have one too ! Coz that's how 'the science' of vaccination works. Everyone knows that. My vaccine, says, hey!! i can tell, that [the next person], he/she isn't vaccinated, so i'm not going to produce any immunity in your body.
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Reply #7 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:46am

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:43am:

But my vaccine won't work, unless you have one too !

Coz that's how 'the science' of vaccination works.

Everyone knows that.

My vaccine, says, hey!! i can tell, that [the next person], he/she isn't vaccinated,
so i'm not going to produce any immunity in your body.

"You're papers, Yadda, are not in order. Do not pass GO, do not collect $200."

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Reply #8 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:49am

issuevoter wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 9:45am:

I'm vaccinated. I don't see any reason not too. But mandatory vaccination is a step too far toward State control. Even though the unvaccinated may pose a threat, to deny them their livelihood is a draconian policy that sets a precedent from which there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, "What next?" Protect yourself as best you can, but don't inflate the Nanny State any further.

https://coronavirus.fairwork.gov.au/coronavirus-and-australian-workplace-laws/co...

Fair Work have had one each way on the grey with their decision.

Which does not say an Employer cannot make COV19 vaccination a mandatory condition of employment.

I want to know why minorities continue to believe they have a right to precedence over the rights of the majorities safety in the workplace?

If they have received any sort of vaccinations in the past without objection then I don't believe they have a case.

All types vaccinations initially had teething problems.

As I have stated here before any of those objecting to having the Cov19 vaccinations(poison they're calling it) living in major communities & cities who drink the fluoridated public water supplies are bloody hypocrites.

They are willingly putting an S6 poison into their bodies on the spurious notion that it's a public dental health measure.

It was definitely not mandated by the public & no Council has the right to mass medicate the population.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 32004 Gender:	Re: Mandatory Vaccination Reply #9 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:51am Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:43am: But my vaccine won't work, unless you have one too ! Coz that's how 'the science' of vaccination works. Everyone knows that. My vaccine, says, hey!! i can tell, that [the next person], he/she isn't vaccinated, so i'm not going to produce any immunity in your body. What nonsense.
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Reply #10 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 11:05am

Gnads wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:51am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:43am:

But my vaccine won't work, unless you have one too !

Coz that's how 'the science' of vaccination works.

Everyone knows that.

My vaccine, says, hey!! i can tell, that [the next person], he/she isn't vaccinated,
so i'm not going to produce any immunity in your body.

What nonsense.

Hooray Gnads, .....you recognise that it is.

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #11 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 11:12am

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 11:05am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:51am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:43am:

But my vaccine won't work, unless you have one too !

Coz that's how 'the science' of vaccination works.

Everyone knows that.

My vaccine, says, hey!! i can tell, that [the next person], he/she isn't vaccinated,
so i'm not going to produce any immunity in your body.

What nonsense.

Hooray Gnads, .....you recognise that it is.

No .... whatever you're stating is nonsense.

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Reply #12 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 11:37am

Gnads wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:49am:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 9:45am:

I'm vaccinated. I don't see any reason not too. But mandatory vaccination is a step too far toward State control. Even though the unvaccinated may pose a threat, to deny them their livelihood is a draconian policy that sets a precedent from which there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, "What next?" Protect yourself as best you can, but don't inflate the Nanny State any further.

https://coronavirus.fairwork.gov.au/coronavirus-and-australian-workplace-laws/co...

Fair Work have had one each way on the grey with their decision.

Which does not say an Employer cannot make COV19 vaccination a mandatory condition of employment.

I want to know why minorities continue to believe they have a right to precedence over the rights of the majorities safety in the workplace?

If they have received any sort of vaccinations in the past without objection then I don't believe they have a case.

All types vaccinations initially had teething problems.

As I have stated here before any of those objecting to having the Cov19 vaccinations(poison they're calling it) living in major communities & cities who drink the fluoridated public water supplies are bloody hypocrites.

They are willingly putting an S6 poison into their bodies on the spurious notion that it's a public dental health measure.

It was definitely not mandated by the public & no Council has the right to mass medicate the population.

Actually, Gnads, the way Covid and Omicron is playing out, vaccination has next to no impact on the spread but plays a big part on the severity of how the disease affects you personally. I'm glad I'm vaxxed, it helped to be nearly asymptomatic but it's almost certain I caught covid in an environment that requires a vaccine certificate to gain entry.

The vilification of unvaxxed is political BS.

White person unvaxxed - perckerwood antivaxxer.
Black person unvaxxed - socially disadvantaged no access to vaccines.
Yeah right.

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Reply #13 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 11:49am

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:05am:

It is not about nanny state. It is to ensure that our health care system can withstand the influx of the sick, so that our health care workers dont get burnt out.

Yes, and they are burnt out.
For 2 years they have had 'extra duties.'

Everyone has well had the opportunity to get fully vaccinated.
If they have decided to not get vaccinated and get sick, they should be put at the end of the queue behind those that have taken sensible precautions.

They have made their decision.

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Reply #14 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 12:01pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:43am:

But my vaccine won't work, unless you have one too !

Coz that's how 'the science' of vaccination works.

Everyone knows that.

My vaccine, says, hey!! i can tell, that [the next person], he/she isn't vaccinated,
so i'm not going to produce any immunity in your body.

Hi Yadda, because you are not trained in this sort of things, all I can say is that managing a national healthcare system is different to managing your individual health.

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