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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #30 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 10:51am

Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:59am:

... getting vaccinated is your business, its your choice.

As it IS
And as it shall BE

But the unvaccinated, who've made a conscious decision to step out of the rest of society and society's expectations and standards, can't expect to waltz back in whenever they feel like going out to (as one example) catch a movie

And as a hospital patient - fully vaccinated, but with a compromised immune system, due to a chronic illness -

I DEMAND the right to be ONLY attended to by fully immunised medical staff

Paying income-tax is 'mandatory'
Doing time for murder is 'mandatory'

Getting fully vaccinated is NOT 'mandatory'
It is a part of "Terms and Conditions of Employment"

This is nothing new

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14245 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Mandatory Vaccination Reply #31 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 11:01am Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 7:46am: The reason that i am choosing, to NOT get vaccinated ... No one GIVES a sh!t Just stay away from the 92% of us that ARE vaccinated
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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #32 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 11:14am

Victor Sunny wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 8:49am:

I'm not against vaccination, but don't think mandatory is necessary. Prevention is more important than just vaccination. If we did both, it won't have today's cases spiking.

Prevention?
Are you advocating permanent lockdowns? Or us being prisoners in our own country indefinitely?
Prevention is not realistic

Victor Sunny wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 8:49am:

Let's look at US cases, before Biden, over 400,000 death on COVID. After Trump, vaccination in the place, it's still over 400,000 more death. Is the vaccination great? or reduced the death?

Not a valid comparison
Biden has been dealing with the virus for longer than Trump
Trump didn't have to deal with Delta or Omicron
Even now only 62% of the US are fully vaccinated

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #33 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 2:22pm

Victor Sunny wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 8:49am:

Let's look at US cases, before Biden, over 400,000 death on COVID. After Trump, vaccination in the place, it's still over 400,000 more death. Is the vaccination great? or reduced the death?

The incoming White House now faces intense pressure to make good on the promises that

Biden

made during the campaign and the transition phase to drastically turn things around on the pandemic and conduct himself entirely differently from

Trump

when it comes to the virus and vaccine distribution.

During the transition period,

Biden

was openly critical of what he described as a "dismal" rollout of the Covid vaccines under the

Trump administration

, making clear that he placed significant blame on his predecessor for the situation he would ultimately inherit.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/21/politics/biden-covid-vaccination-trump/index....

I was amazed to find out that there was a government - somewhere in the "first world" - that hade made a bigger f*ck-up on a vaccination program than the

Morrison Government

Even TODAY, in the US, is barely 60% fully vaccinated

A bit better, though, than Reagan's response to HIV/AIDS

https://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9828348/ronald-reagan-hiv-aids

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Mandatory Vaccination Reply #34 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 3:56pm Doesn't matter what reason a person gives, mandatory vaccination is yet another requirement in a society that is already over-regulated. Remember the rugged individualist Australian? Sure, as long as he has a medicare card, superannuation, and has registered his tax-file number with his MyGov account.
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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #35 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 5:39pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 3:56pm:

... mandatory vaccination is yet another requirement in a society that is already over-regulated.

A vaccination is NOT "mandatory" - if you are given other options

For as long as I can remember
anyone seeking employment in early childcare, children's education, hospitals and aged care is required to have a current annual influenza vaccine
- with NO EXCEPTIONS, imaginary allergies or wacko religions getting a say in - and no avoiding responsibilities through "technical loopholes"

I see this as no different to an on-sight construction worker refusing to wear safety gear supplied and paid for by his employer

In BOTH cases, you are given TWO options
Accept the Terms and Conditions of Employment"
Or find a job that has none

NOTHING here is "mandatory"

NO ONE will be forcibly held down and "jabbed" against their will

- or have steel-capped boots superglued to their feet

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #36 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:51pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 10:51am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:59am:

... getting vaccinated is your business, its your choice.

As it IS
And as it shall BE

But the unvaccinated, who've made a conscious decision to step out of the rest of society and society's expectations and standards, can't expect to waltz back in whenever they feel like going out to (as one example) catch a movie

And as a hospital patient - fully vaccinated, but with a compromised immune system, due to a chronic illness - I DEMAND the right to be ONLY attended to by fully immunised medical staff

Paying income-tax is 'mandatory'
Doing time for murder is 'mandatory'

Getting fully vaccinated is NOT 'mandatory'
It is a part of "Terms and Conditions of Employment"
This is nothing new.

Also hospitals owe a duty of care to their own employees and all patients that go there.

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #37 - Jan 4^th, 2022 at 6:47am

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 11:14am:

Victor Sunny wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 8:49am:

I'm not against vaccination, but don't think mandatory is necessary. Prevention is more important than just vaccination. If we did both, it won't have today's cases spiking.

Prevention?
Are you advocating permanent lockdowns? Or us being prisoners in our own country indefinitely?
Prevention is not realistic

Victor Sunny wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 8:49am:

Let's look at US cases, before Biden, over 400,000 death on COVID. After Trump, vaccination in the place, it's still over 400,000 more death. Is the vaccination great? or reduced the death?

Not a valid comparison
Biden has been dealing with the virus for longer than Trump
Trump didn't have to deal with Delta or Omicron
Even now only 62% of the US are fully vaccinated

I didn't say permanent lockdowns. We can just lockdown as we needed. The gov opened the border so far what gains we have? none! but Omicron virus everywhere in Australia. People sick and medical resources run out. Does that worth for open up one month earlier?

So far, New Zealand did much better than Australia!

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #38 - Jan 4^th, 2022 at 8:34am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:51pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 10:51am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:59am:

... getting vaccinated is your business, its your choice.

As it IS
And as it shall BE

But the unvaccinated, who've made a conscious decision to step out of the rest of society and society's expectations and standards, can't expect to waltz back in whenever they feel like going out to (as one example) catch a movie

And as a hospital patient - fully vaccinated, but with a compromised immune system, due to a chronic illness - I DEMAND the right to be ONLY attended to by fully immunised medical staff

Paying income-tax is 'mandatory'
Doing time for murder is 'mandatory'

Getting fully vaccinated is NOT 'mandatory'
It is a part of "Terms and Conditions of Employment"
This is nothing new.

Also hospitals owe a duty of care to their own employees and all patients that go there.

... and anyone with an opposition to
"No Jab - No Job"
for hospital, allied health and aged care workers - DISPUTES that statement, implying NO SUCH
DUTY OF CARE
exists, or SHOULD do

It's only the power of the internet that allowed
the vaccination conspiracy theorist to gain traction

Where were they during decades of compulsory
annual influenza vaccinations for ALL health industry employees ?

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #39 - Jan 4^th, 2022 at 10:37am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:51pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 10:51am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:59am:

... getting vaccinated is your business, its your choice.

As it IS
And as it shall BE

But the unvaccinated, who've made a conscious decision to step out of the rest of society and society's expectations and standards, can't expect to waltz back in whenever they feel like going out to (as one example) catch a movie

And as a hospital patient - fully vaccinated, but with a compromised immune system, due to a chronic illness - I DEMAND the right to be ONLY attended to by fully immunised medical staff

Paying income-tax is 'mandatory'
Doing time for murder is 'mandatory'

Getting fully vaccinated is NOT 'mandatory'
It is a part of "Terms and Conditions of Employment"
This is nothing new.

Also hospitals owe a duty of care to their own employees and all patients that go there.

That argument would carry some weight, if being vaccinated, actually prevented transmission of the 'COVID virus' to others.

But it doesn't !

sprint,

In the face of known facts about the lack of efficacy of the COVID 'vaccines', your argument, re vaccination mandates being required for hospital staff is REDUNDANT.

redundant = = no longer needed or useful; superfluous. able to be omitted without loss of meaning or function.

As per this valid and FACTUAL argument by baron.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 9:59pm:

We have known for for about 6 months vaccine doesn't prevent transmission so it's absurd to fire unvaxxed health care workers on a myth they're a danger to patients when asymptomatic vaxxed health care workers are told to go back to work despite the fact they can infect people. The dopey dim wits think only vaccinated people should be allowed to spread this virus.

"The dopey dim wits think only vaccinated people should be allowed to spread this virus."

hehe

The fact is, that they are. [it is vaccinated people who are spreading 'the virus', through the COVID spike proteins, from their 'vaccine' - spike protein 'shedding']

WWW search.....
spike protein shedding

Pfizer confirms Covid-vaccinated people can "shed" spike proteins

sprint,

Are you aware, that almost all doctors know [will acknowledge], that with an acute respiratory illness [like a SARS CoV2 type virus], a person is only going to transmit to other people, when they are displaying symptoms of their illness ?

i.e.
There is extremely low likelihood of transmission of a respiratory virus to others, from asymptomatic individuals.

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