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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #15 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 12:04pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 11:49am:

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:05am:

It is not about nanny state. It is to ensure that our health care system can withstand the influx of the sick, so that our health care workers dont get burnt out.

Yes, and they are burnt out.
For 2 years they have had 'extra duties.'

Everyone has well had the opportunity to get fully vaccinated.
If they have decided to not get vaccinated and get sick, they should be put at the end of the queue behind those that have taken sensible precautions.

They have made their decision.

You know its sad that in the past, we have ordinary people volunteer to fight for freedom of our country. And yet, now, we have people who wont get vaccinated because they are scared.

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Reply #16 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 12:19pm

So far, we can see prevention is more effective than vaccination. The biggest fault is NSW & Fed Gov abandoned prevention and border restriction. Then it caused skyrocketing cases.

The vaccine was not well developed and has less effectiveness or protection. Vaccinated people will be still sick and infectious after contracting the virus.

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #17 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 2:25pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 12:04pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 11:49am:

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:05am:

It is not about nanny state. It is to ensure that our health care system can withstand the influx of the sick, so that our health care workers dont get burnt out.

Yes, and they are burnt out.
For 2 years they have had 'extra duties.'

Everyone has well had the opportunity to get fully vaccinated.
If they have decided to not get vaccinated and get sick, they should be put at the end of the queue behind those that have taken sensible precautions.

They have made their decision.

You know its sad that in the past, we have ordinary people volunteer to fight for freedom of our country. And yet, now, we have people who wont get vaccinated because they are scared.

Those that I know who have refused the vaccine do it through ignorance.
They have taken a position on this pandemic and only seek 'information' that supports that idea.

One person I know was not going to get vaccinated so he thought the should research it properly to prepare what to tell his employees.
The more he researched it the more he realised how advantageous a vaccine is.
He got vaccinated

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Reply #18 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 2:27pm

Victor Sunny wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 12:19pm:

So far, we can see prevention is more effective than vaccination. The biggest fault is NSW & Fed Gov abandoned prevention and border restriction. Then it caused skyrocketing cases.

The vaccine was not well developed and has less effectiveness or protection. People will be still sick after contracting the virus.

Those are NOT unreasonable comments.

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Reply #19 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 2:43pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 11:49am:

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:05am:

It is not about nanny state. It is to ensure that our health care system can withstand the influx of the sick, so that our health care workers dont get burnt out.

Yes, and they are burnt out.
For 2 years they have had 'extra duties.'

Everyone has well had the opportunity to get fully vaccinated.
If they have decided to not get vaccinated and get sick, they should be put at the end of the queue behind those that have taken sensible precautions.

They have made their decision.

Well whose fault is that?
The sexist Medical Industry of the West that considers males in its ranks as all 'Gay'?
Your Governments that spend little on recruitment (especially of males), but a lot on Military and NASA?
Your Governments that will 'draft' for a war, but not for a Global Medical Crises?
Your Medical Industry that can't run its own show and depends on Government hand-outs, let alone a Military General to run it and prove to Anti-Vaxxers that your Medical industry is a joke not to be taken seriously?
The fact that the Politicians are 'in control' of this Pandemic and not the Doctors?

...you get what you pay for in this country, when it comes to Medicine Sprinty.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #20 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 2:45pm

Victor Sunny wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 12:19pm:

So far, we can see prevention is more effective than vaccination. The biggest fault is NSW & Fed Gov abandoned prevention and border restriction. Then it caused skyrocketing cases.

The vaccine was not well developed and has less effectiveness or protection. Vaccinated people will be still sick and infectious after contracting the virus.

Yes - unlocking and letting the Virus back in for the 2nd permanent Wave was like a premature ejaculation when relying on Vaccines fast-tracked to make a stamp on a piece of paper saying 'legal'.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #21 - Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 9:17pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 2:25pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 12:04pm:

You know its sad that in the past, we have ordinary people volunteer to fight for freedom of our country. And yet, now, we have people who wont get vaccinated because they are scared.

Those that I know who have refused the vaccine do it through ignorance.

They have taken a position on this pandemic and only seek 'information' that supports that idea.

sprint,

I thought that these 3 questions, related to reports of vaccine injuries, that i asked of you [in another thread] were pretty reasonable.

Are you not willing to address those questions which i posed, ....to you ?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1640770464/6#6
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sprint,

Have you been unable to find any evidence [or even compelling reports] of widespread vaccine injuries and deaths ?

If you did [come across any], don't those reports concern you ?

Or is the data being disseminated by the mainstream medical bureaucracy [confirming that the vaccines are safe and effective], compelling enough for you ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #23 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 1:58am

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 9:17pm:

............... sprint,

I thought that these 3 questions, related to reports of vaccine injuries, that i asked of you [in another thread] were pretty reasonable.

Are you not willing to address those questions which i posed, ....to you ?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1640770464/6#6
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sprint,

Have you been unable to find any evidence [or even compelling reports] of widespread vaccine injuries and deaths ?

If you did [come across any], don't those reports concern you ?

Or is the data being disseminated by the mainstream medical bureaucracy [confirming that the vaccines are safe and effective], compelling enough for you ?

1/ Yes, I believe there are some deaths and injuries due to these vaccines.
I myself had bad reactions.

2/ Yes, they did concern me. Even before I had my first vaccine.

3/ I read data first before getting vaccinated and decided the risk was well worth the reward.

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #24 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:39am

Gordon wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 11:37am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 10:49am:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 9:45am:

I'm vaccinated. I don't see any reason not too. But mandatory vaccination is a step too far toward State control. Even though the unvaccinated may pose a threat, to deny them their livelihood is a draconian policy that sets a precedent from which there is no going back. You have to ask yourself, "What next?" Protect yourself as best you can, but don't inflate the Nanny State any further.

https://coronavirus.fairwork.gov.au/coronavirus-and-australian-workplace-laws/co...

Fair Work have had one each way on the grey with their decision.

Which does not say an Employer cannot make COV19 vaccination a mandatory condition of employment.

I want to know why minorities continue to believe they have a right to precedence over the rights of the majorities safety in the workplace?

If they have received any sort of vaccinations in the past without objection then I don't believe they have a case.

All types vaccinations initially had teething problems.

As I have stated here before any of those objecting to having the Cov19 vaccinations(poison they're calling it) living in major communities & cities who drink the fluoridated public water supplies are bloody hypocrites.

They are willingly putting an S6 poison into their bodies on the spurious notion that it's a public dental health measure.

It was definitely not mandated by the public & no Council has the right to mass medicate the population.

Actually, Gnads, the way Covid and Omicron is playing out, vaccination has next to no impact on the spread but plays a big part on the severity of how the disease affects you personally. I'm glad I'm vaxxed, it helped to be nearly asymptomatic but it's almost certain I caught covid in an environment that requires a vaccine certificate to gain entry.

The vilification of unvaxxed is political BS.

White person unvaxxed - perckerwood antivaxxer.
Black person unvaxxed - socially disadvantaged no access to vaccines.
Yeah right.

There's no valid reason for any non covid vaxxed person who has had every other vaccination or been vaccinated to go overseas to not be vaccinated now.

It's just hypocritical bs.

And far from the majority vaccinated being scared as Aqua is suggesting I say it's the non covid vaxxed that are scared.

I wouldn't call them "peckerwoods"

plain old "dickheads" will suffice.

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #25 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:45am

Victor Sunny wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 12:19pm:

So far, we can see prevention is more effective than vaccination. The biggest fault is NSW & Fed Gov abandoned prevention and border restriction. Then it caused skyrocketing cases.

The vaccine was not well developed and has less effectiveness or protection. Vaccinated people will be still sick and infectious after contracting the virus.

Stating the obvious aren't you?

All vaccines in the past had early teething problems.... this is no different.

Vaxxed people may still catch it & spread it ... but it gives greater reduction in the risk of serious illness requiring hospitalisation ...

that has always what has been said from day one

it has never been a cure but some people just can't get that fact through their thick skulls.

So vaccination is part of the overall prevention of hospitalisation & or death.

They have been working on COVID vaccines since the emergence of SARS in 2002 & MERS in 2012.

You should also make up your mind what side of the fence you're sitting on..... vaxxed or anti vax?

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Reply #26 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:59am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 1:58am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 9:17pm:

............... sprint,

I thought that these 3 questions, related to reports of vaccine injuries, that i asked of you [in another thread] were pretty reasonable.

Are you not willing to address those questions which i posed, ....to you ?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1640770464/6#6
Quote:

sprint,

Have you been unable to find any evidence [or even compelling reports] of widespread vaccine injuries and deaths ?

If you did [come across any], don't those reports concern you ?

Or is the data being disseminated by the mainstream medical bureaucracy [confirming that the vaccines are safe and effective], compelling enough for you ?

1/ Yes, I believe there are some deaths and injuries due to these vaccines.
I myself had bad reactions.

2/ Yes, they did concern me. Even before I had my first vaccine.

3/ I read data first before getting vaccinated and decided the risk was well worth the reward.

sprint,

Thank you for your response to my questions.

I'm 'on the other side of the street'....

I would not make the same decision that you did [to get vaccinated].

But getting vaccinated is your business, its your choice.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #27 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 7:09am

The list of VALID reasons for not being vaccinated is miniscule
The 'vaccine allergy' reason is is rubbish
Though I know I can walk into a doctor's clinic - anytime, ask for and get a letter of exemption - and get it
I need NO PROOF of any allergy
And the GP has no proof that I'm LYING

There is no such thing as an absolute allergy -to absolutely every vaccine - but, of course, people are "trying it 0n" and succeeding

The other "out clause" is a religious exemption
The ONLY religions that have a mention of vaccines are First Church of Christ Scientist and the Danish Reform Church
I can't recall the biblical passage that states "Thou Shall Not Vaccinate" - can YOU ?

FORTUNATELY, private enterprise have introduced their OWN Terms and Condition of Employment and entry requiring full vaccination

I went to a small café in Ballarat, the other day, that required phone evidence full vaccination as a condition of entry

I was GLAD this policy had been put in place
And I'm sure 90% of the population would agree

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 29^th, 2021 at 8:30pm:

VACCINE UPDATE

91.2%
of people aged 16 and over are double vaccinated

8.3% have had booster

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/numbers-sta...

In today's update,

Australia has overtaken the UK

in double vaccinations

I'M just bewildered as to just what keeps the
CONSPIRACY THEORISTS
GOING

OBVIOUSLY
, no one is
LISTENING
just
LAUGHING
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Reply #28 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 7:46am

Yadda wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:59am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 1:58am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 9:17pm:

............... sprint,

I thought that these 3 questions, related to reports of vaccine injuries, that i asked of you [in another thread] were pretty reasonable.

Are you not willing to address those questions which i posed, ....to you ?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1640770464/6#6
Quote:

sprint,

Have you been unable to find any evidence [or even compelling reports] of widespread vaccine injuries and deaths ?

If you did [come across any], don't those reports concern you ?

Or is the data being disseminated by the mainstream medical bureaucracy [confirming that the vaccines are safe and effective], compelling enough for you ?

1/ Yes, I believe there are some deaths and injuries due to these vaccines.
I myself had bad reactions.

2/ Yes, they did concern me. Even before I had my first vaccine.

3/ I read data first before getting vaccinated and decided the risk was well worth the reward.

sprint,

Thank you for your response to my questions.

I'm 'on the other side of the street'....

I would not make the same decision that you did [to get vaccinated].

But getting vaccinated is your business, its your choice.

The reason that i am choosing, to NOT get vaccinated,
is that from the information which i have examined [relating to what these vaccines do, once inside in the human body],
i believe that there is a strong chance that these [new and NOT extensively tested] mRNA vaccines will likely, really 'mess up' my own [strong and functioning] immune system.

I'd rather trust what i know.

If old and frail, if immuno-compromised people, decide that they want to have these vaccines, fair enough.

But i do not.

And 'let the chips fall where they may', ....if i get ill, i won't be going into hospital.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Mandatory Vaccination
Reply #29 - Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 8:49am

Gnads wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2022 at 6:45am:

Victor Sunny wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2022 at 12:19pm:

So far, we can see prevention is more effective than vaccination. The biggest fault is NSW & Fed Gov abandoned prevention and border restriction. Then it caused skyrocketing cases.

The vaccine was not well developed and has less effectiveness or protection. Vaccinated people will be still sick and infectious after contracting the virus.

Stating the obvious aren't you?

All vaccines in the past had early teething problems.... this is no different.

Vaxxed people may still catch it & spread it ... but it gives greater reduction in the risk of serious illness requiring hospitalisation ...

that has always what has been said from day one

it has never been a cure but some people just can't get that fact through their thick skulls.

So vaccination is part of the overall prevention of hospitalisation & or death.

They have been working on COVID vaccines since the emergence of SARS in 2002 & MERS in 2012.

You should also make up your mind what side of the fence you're sitting on..... vaxxed or anti vax?

I'm not against vaccination, but don't think mandatory is necessary. Prevention is more important than just vaccination. If we did both, it won't have today's cases spiking.

Let's look at US cases, before Biden, over 400,000 death on COVID. After Trump, vaccination in the place, it's still over 400,000 more death. Is the vaccination great? or reduced the death?

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