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Re: 17 feet of snow in California
Reply #75 - Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:47pm

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:19pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 3:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 2:48pm:

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Would you like to help Bobby out?

I don't need any help -
in fact I can help others.

Can you make a rational argument from this snowfall event Bobby? Or have climate skeptic numbers dwindled to a few remnants who are only capable of copying and pasting pictures?

Yes - it was very cold with record snowfall.
That is in direct contradiction of the predictions of Al Gore
any many other global warming alarmists who said
20 years ago or more -
that children would never see snow -
that the Arctic circle would be free of ice,
and that sea levels would rise flooding many countries.

Did you believe them?

You have been banging on about snowfall for a decade now Bobby. Why are you only just now revealing why?

It was mentioned many times in The new ice age thread.

here - 447 pages for you to read through:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1464603949/0#0

It's in there somewhere.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53355 At my desk.	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #76 - Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:49pm All I can find is you claiming we get more snowfall because it is colder.
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 121963 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #77 - Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:51pm freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:49pm: All I can find is you claiming we get more snowfall because it is colder. Seek and ye shall find - knock at the door of The new Ice age thread and it shall be opened to you.
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Re: 17 feet of snow in California
Reply #78 - Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:53pm

lee wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 12:31pm:

Ah. So you are only along for the ride.

well... if you want to put it that way...ok...

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. But you said you believe the science as espoused by the IPCC.

Show me where I said that. I've been expressing my agnosticism since day one.

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"aha ...so I'm debating a climate denier; the science says there is a climate emergency, but let's move on.."

Er, that's what agnostics do, ie "move on", so long as the science serves the purposes of getting rid of the filthy fossil industry ASAP. As for your 100% denialism.....

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Yes. New coal plant 73GW. New Wind 55GW. Still lagging Coal install. Wink

...with CO2 emissions to peak in 2030.
But China is fiddling around with free market carbon pricing, like everyone else. China could do much better. I'm trying to wake the PBofC upto that fact.

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Oh political?

"Federal Environment Minister Sussan Ley last week dismissed the USD-36-billion (EUR 30.3bn) proposal on the grounds that it would have “clearly unacceptable impacts” on wetlands designated of international significance and migratory birds in the region."

Ecologists don't like the ecology when it's green power they want.

Yes, political (and Greens are not always consistent, true.... not my fault).

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You want a global governance that won't impinge on the green dream.

My views noted above; and btw Susan Ley rejecting the Pilbara scheme on environmental grounds is.....fishy..... her real reason for rejecting the Pilbara scheme would informative.

The fact remains: the Pilbara is ripe for solar development and the engineers are ready to go.

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Wow. How to misrepresent something. They said the climate could not be modeeled; I said that I doubted the climate had changed that much; meaning it still was not possible to model.

That happened because of your continuing argument with the IPCC, using me as a proxy (which is why I misread your "modelling" narrative).

So the IPCC have changed their mind on "modelling"? Take it up with them. I'm more interested progress on Snowy 2.0, among other things.

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You are not interested in science. We know.

oh dear, talk about "misrepresentation". I'm very interested in the science behind development of EVs, smart grids, and nuclear fusion, inter alia.

As for climate science, I'll let you waste your time arguing with the IPCC.... who have gained the attention of the whole scientific and non-scientific world .

See you at the next COP (but don't tell anyone I'm agnostic....I'll be there to check out all the latest renewables technology and plans for implementation of same).

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Re: 17 feet of snow in California
Reply #79 - Jan 4^th, 2022 at 6:13pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:53pm:

As for your 100% denialism, I will quote freediver here:
"Folks, for your entertainment tonight, meet Lee, the confused climate "skeptic". All you have to do to confuse him is ask him to explain what he is trying to say. He honestly has no idea. If you press him real hard, he'll ask you to tell him what he means."

Wow a numpty quoting another numpty. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:53pm:

with CO2 emissions tp peak in 2030.

Nope. They have made clear that is an aspirational "goal". That is the "aim".

"At the 75th session of the UN General Assembly last month, Mr Xi declared that China will 'aim to have CO2 emissions peak before 2030 and achieve carbon neutrality before 2060.' "

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-29/china-carbon-emission-massive-blackouts-p...

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:53pm:

My views noted above; and btw Susan Ley rejecting the Pilbara scheme on environmental grounds is.....fishy....taking advantage of Green's inconsistencies. Her real reason for rejecting the Pilbara scheme would informative.

Too funny. You don't agree so it is "political". Grin

You were the one wanting global governance of things related to climate. That includes the environment. The environment is critical to climate. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:53pm:

So the IPCC have changed their mind on "modelling"?

Nope they still insist an averaging a plethora of models is better than getting rid of the bad ones. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:53pm:

As for climate science, I'll let you waste your time arguing with the IPCC.... who have gained the attention of the whole scientific and non-scientific world .

Oh only for the attention? Grin

BTW - you forgot this bit "aha ...so I'm debating a climate denier; the science says there is a climate emergency, but let's move on.."

And you couldn't even show a peer-reviewed paper that claimed that. Grin

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Re: 17 feet of snow in California
Reply #80 - Jan 4^th, 2022 at 9:43pm

lee wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 6:13pm:

Wow a numpty quoting another numpty.

You jumped in too soon. I edited out the reference to another poster's remarks (though they are certainly correct.)

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Nope. They have made clear that is an aspirational "goal". That is the "aim".

Correct; and China is the one country which sets and achieves its 5 year plans.

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"At the 75th session of the UN General Assembly last month, Mr Xi declared that China will 'aim to have CO2 emissions peak before 2030 and achieve carbon neutrality before 2060.' "

And they could achieve it much quicker if they abandon Western market carbon-pricing BS. Might yet happen, I'm spreading the word....which is apparently stronger than the sword.... time will tell.

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Too funny. You don't agree so it is "political".

It certainly ain't engineering, which is my point. If Ley wants to play Greenie, that is certainly funny.

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You were the one wanting global governance of things related to climate. That includes the environment. The environment is critical to climate.

..see how confused you always become? I want global governance related to free global electricity.

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Nope they still insist an averaging a plethora of models is better than getting rid of the bad ones.

again, see how confused you are...still wanting to argue your case through me as a proxy for the IPCC statements on climate models: YOU claimed the IPPC in 1991 said it's too difficult to model climate, and now YOU've changed this to "averaging a plethora of models is better than..." something or other... (listen carefully), I DON'T CARE..

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Oh only for the attention?

Correct, and regardless, it's the consensus attention which wins the day...like.... "look, the earth is flat, right..." (the consensus for a few thousand years). But in the case of climate science, the AGW consensus/attention might turn out to be right, in decades or less....

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And you couldn't even show a peer-reviewed paper that claimed that.

Your ongoing confusion: I don't have to show ANY papers relating to the IPCC or AGW, stop using me as a proxy for your dispute with the IPCC. Whereas I am using the IPCC consensus for my own purposes (ie, getting rid of the filthy fossil industry). How hard is that to understand? See you at the next COP.

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Re: 17 feet of snow in California
Reply #81 - Jan 4^th, 2022 at 9:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:49pm:

All I can find is you claiming we get more snowfall because it is colder.

Seek and ye shall find -
knock at the door of The new Ice age thread
and it shall be opened to you.

In the past I have only ever seen you use snowfall as a proxy for temperature.

Have you changed your mind about the link between snowfall and temperature?

Why did you wait until 5 pages into the discussion to tell people what the point of your thread was?

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Re: 17 feet of snow in California
Reply #82 - Jan 5^th, 2022 at 5:59am

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 9:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 5:49pm:

All I can find is you claiming we get more snowfall because it is colder.

Seek and ye shall find -
knock at the door of The new Ice age thread
and it shall be opened to you.

In the past I have only ever seen you use snowfall as a proxy for temperature.

Have you changed your mind about the link between snowfall and temperature?

Why did you wait until 5 pages into the discussion to tell people what the point of your thread was?

To me - record snow does mean cold temperatures.

It was very cold with record snowfall.
That is in direct contradiction of the predictions of Al Gore
any many other global warming alarmists who said
20 years ago or more -
that children would never see snow -
that the Arctic circle would be free of ice,
and that sea levels would rise flooding many countries.

Did you believe them?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53355 At my desk.	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #83 - Jan 5^th, 2022 at 8:30am Quote: To me - record snow does mean cold temperatures. Cold relative to what?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21507 Gender:	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #84 - Jan 5^th, 2022 at 12:38pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 4^th, 2022 at 9:43pm: I DON'T CARE.. Then piss off out of environment then if you are not interested.
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Re: 17 feet of snow in California
Reply #85 - Jan 5^th, 2022 at 12:44pm

freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2022 at 8:30am:

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To me - record snow does mean cold temperatures.

Cold relative to what?

Colder than yesterday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-59876423

Snowbound in Virginia traffic for over 10 hours

Nigel Hammett was on a bus to Atlanta, Georgia, when he fell asleep in traffic. He woke to find the bus in the same spot - stranded by heavy snowfall.

He was one of many trapped by a snowstorm that caused major travel delays and power outages. Drivers conserved gas and waited for roads to be cleared overnight. Some abandoned their cars, leaving them to be towed rather than spend the night on the snowy highway.

Transportation officials are hoping to reopen the road within 72 hours of the closure.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53355 At my desk.	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #86 - Jan 5^th, 2022 at 1:25pm Have you forgotten what you are trying to say again Bobby?
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 121963 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #87 - Jan 5^th, 2022 at 1:30pm freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2022 at 1:25pm: Have you forgotten what you are trying to say again Bobby? My opening post still stands: The nearly 17 feet of snow in California's Sierra Nevada is crushing records. I report the news - you decide. I am just a humble messenger.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53355 At my desk.	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #88 - Jan 5^th, 2022 at 1:48pm You are a pretty crap messenger if you cannot figure out what the message is.
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 121963 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #89 - Jan 5^th, 2022 at 2:20pm freediver wrote on Jan 5^th, 2022 at 1:48pm: You are a pretty crap messenger if you cannot figure out what the message is. What is your message about that 17 feet of snow?
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