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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 26225 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #240 - Jul 28^th, 2022 at 12:28am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 6:24pm: Is it snowing in Melbourne? Bobby said he got 8 inches last night. Yeah. But, I bet he had no trouble tryin' to get out his back door.
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 121939 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #241 - Jul 28^th, 2022 at 2:57pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 6:24pm: Is it snowing in Melbourne? Bobby said he got 8 inches last night. No I didn't - stop your homosexual innuendo.
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 15644 Gender:	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #242 - Jul 29^th, 2022 at 11:16pm https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/03/extreme-climate-change-hist... THE TERRIFYING WARNING LURKING IN THE EARTH’S ANCIENT ROCK RECORD Our climate models could be missing something big. By Peter Brannen
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Reply #243 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 12:30pm

From your reference -

"During the entire half-billion-year Phanerozoic eon of animal life, CO2 has been the primary driver of the Earth’s climate."

Don't you know that NASA says that water vapour is the primary (greatest) driver of climate?

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.html

That's what happens when you rely on media for your science. Grin

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Reply #244 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 2:36pm

lee wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 12:30pm:

From your reference -

"During the entire half-billion-year Phanerozoic eon of animal life, CO2 has been the primary driver of the Earth’s climate."

Don't you know that NASA says that water vapour is the primary (greatest) driver of climate?

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.html

That's what happens when you rely on media for your science. Grin

https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth104/node/1262#:~:text=So%2C%20yes%2C%20wate...

Carbon Dioxide is more Important than Water Vapor as a Greenhouse Gas

Who is right? In any case, it doesn't matter, they both produce a greenhouse effect.

So lets see how much fossil fuel we can eliminate, in favor of free sun and wind.

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Reply #245 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 3:01pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 2:36pm:

Carbon Dioxide is more Important than Water Vapor as a Greenhouse Gas

Fro9m your reference -

"Overall, though, it is fairly accurate to say that water vapor supplies close to half of the total greenhouse effect, clouds and carbon dioxide each a little under a quarter, and all others just under a tenth."

And then they go on about rainfall. But Water vapour doesn't completely rain out of the atmosphere.

"But, the amount of water vapor in the air is equal to the amount of rain that falls on the Earth in just over a week."

That's rubbish.

" As water vapor rains out very rapidly, it is replaced by evaporation of more water. "

That's true.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 2:36pm:

In any case, it doesn't matter, they both produce a greenhouse effect.

Hooray you finally learned something.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 2:36pm:

So lets see how much fossil fuel we can eliminate, in favor of free sun and wind.

Nothing to do with CO2 and water vapour being the most important GHG. Roll Eyes

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Reply #246 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 5:39pm

lee wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 3:01pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 2:36pm:

Carbon Dioxide is more Important than Water Vapor as a Greenhouse Gas

Fro9m your reference -

"Overall, though, it is fairly accurate to say that water vapor supplies close to half of the total greenhouse effect, clouds and carbon dioxide each a little under a quarter, and all others just under a tenth."

And then they go on about rainfall. But Water vapour doesn't completely rain out of the atmosphere.

"But, the amount of water vapor in the air is equal to the amount of rain that falls on the Earth in just over a week."

That's rubbish.

" As water vapor rains out very rapidly, it is replaced by evaporation of more water. "

That's true.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 2:36pm:

In any case, it doesn't matter, they both produce a greenhouse effect.

Hooray you finally learned something.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 2:36pm:

So lets see how much fossil fuel we can eliminate, in favor of free sun and wind.

Nothing to do with CO2 and water vapour being the most important GHG. Roll Eyes

But everything to do with cheaper electricity; as well as maybe avoiding a world with 500 ppm CO2, as so impelling described by Peter Brannen.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21502 Gender:	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #247 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 5:44pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 5:39pm: But everything to do with cheaper electricity; as well as maybe avoiding a world with 500 ppm CO2, as so impelling described by Peter Brannen. You are trying to change the subject AGAIN.
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Reply #248 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:11pm

lee wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 5:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 5:39pm:

But everything to do with cheaper electricity; as well as maybe avoiding a world with 500 ppm CO2, as so impelling described by Peter Brannen.

You are trying to change the subject AGAIN. Grin

Brennan's article IS the subject; but I admit, I want cheap electricity which is NOT dependent on overseas prices for fossils. .......

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21502 Gender:	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #249 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:37pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:11pm: Brennan's article IS the subject; but I admit, I want cheap electricity which is NOT dependent on overseas prices for fossils. ....... Actually the subject is 17' of snow in Calizuela. He said CO2 was the most important GHG. It was a lie.
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Reply #250 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:48pm

lee wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:37pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:11pm:

Brennan's article IS the subject; but I admit, I want cheap electricity which is NOT dependent on overseas prices for fossils. .......

Actually the subject is 17' of snow in Calizuela. Grin

...as a result of CO2 rising fron 280 -380ppm in the last century.

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He said CO2 was the most important GHG. It was a lie. Roll Eyes

Doesn't matter which is the most important; as Brennan showed, earth's temp is rises and falls with atmospheric CO2 ...going back to the dinosaurs.

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Reply #251 - Jul 30^th, 2022 at 7:10pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:48pm:

..as a result of CO2 rising fron 280 -380ppm in the last century.

Rubbish. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You not so much. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 30^th, 2022 at 6:48pm:

Doesn't matter which is the most important; as Brennan showed, earth's temp is rises and falls with atmospheric CO2 ...going back to the dinosaurs.

Yes it does. And CO2 LAGS temperature. Grin

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Reply #252 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 8:45am

Climate Change Is Real. Here Are 10 Undeniable Proofs

It is hot. - If you go outside and it's a bit toasty, you can't deny it any longer: the climate is changing.
It is cold. - If you go outside and it's a bit nippy, you can't deny it any longer: the climate is changing.
It is raining. - Rain is absolute proof of climate change.
It is not raining. - A lack of rain is absolute proof of climate change.
It's a pleasant day. - A nice day outside? In Minnesota? CLIMATE. CHANGE.
It's not a pleasant day. - A not-so-nice day outside? In California? CLIMATE. CHANGE.
It's snowing. - It has literally never snowed before cars were invented. Climate change!
It's not snowing. - It has literally never not snowed before cars were invented. Climate change!
It is summer. - When it's summer, it's hot, proving the climate is changing.
It is winter. - When it's winter, it's cold, proving the climate is changing

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Reply #253 - Jul 31^st, 2022 at 6:32pm

Frank wrote on Jul 31^st, 2022 at 8:45am:

Climate Change Is Real. Here Are 10 Undeniable Proofs

It is hot. - If you go outside and it's a bit toasty, you can't deny it any longer: the climate is changing.
It is cold. - If you go outside and it's a bit nippy, you can't deny it any longer: the climate is changing.
It is raining. - Rain is absolute proof of climate change.
It is not raining. - A lack of rain is absolute proof of climate change.
It's a pleasant day. - A nice day outside? In Minnesota? CLIMATE. CHANGE.
It's not a pleasant day. - A not-so-nice day outside? In California? CLIMATE. CHANGE.
It's snowing. - It has literally never snowed before cars were invented. Climate change!
It's not snowing. - It has literally never not snowed before cars were invented. Climate change!
It is summer. - When it's summer, it's hot, proving the climate is changing.
It is winter. - When it's winter, it's cold, proving the climate is changing

Can't I entice you with the possibility of free electricity?

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