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Reply #135 - Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:12pm

lee wrote on Apr 7^th, 2022 at 4:32pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 7^th, 2022 at 2:26pm:

I'm just the messenger, don't shoot me. Apparently there are 3 reports, to conclude WGII.

And yet you can't cite ONE?That's called "Group Think". Somebody thinks it so its good enough for you. Grin

Fair point (if I'm generous); the WGII report in 3 parts is outside my expertise, but the mainstream media are certainly becoming hysterical, which is a problem for you, not me...(I'm agnostic, remember).

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Ah the climate is changing? For the better or worse for the majority that don't live on flood plains?

The issue concerns those who DO live on the flood plains.

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According to the WMO (a UN Organisation) climate is the average of 30 years weather. Which 30 year period is your reference period?

I'll settle for the BOM's rain records since inception. Has the entire east coast experienced this duration and quantity of rainfall before, over a three month period?

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Oh 3 months is now climate change? Grin

Certainly if the last three months beat all other records for rainfall duration and intensity, it might be climate change...

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WG1 says RCP8.5 is implausible. WG11 is predominantly about RCP8.5. (57% of mentions).

So...a c. 50-50 interpretation of data? How much of a risk taker are you?

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And yet you cite it with confidence and don't know that is done with statistical analyses. That says a lot about you.

Like I said, I'm only the messenger: polluted atmosphere is negatively affecting health of 90% of the world's population.

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Ah so you compare physical studies to statistical studies and expect the same answers? You really are that dumb?

How do studies into the effects of inhaling tobacco-borne chemicals differ from studies into the effects of inhaling air-borne pollution chemicals?

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So which country's cities did it cite? And what were those populations? and then tell us about the rest of the world.

Hey; in a fabulous covid-enabled experiment in March 2020, the air in Los Angeles and New Dehli was cleaner than that seen for decades, as all non-essential industry and all transport was locked down.

Common knowledge, google it.

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Re: 17 feet of snow in California
Reply #136 - Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:30pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:12pm:

I'll settle for the BOM's rain records since inception. Has the entire east coast experienced this duration and quantity of rainfall before, over a three month period?

Yes.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:12pm:

So...a c. 50-50 interpretation of data? How much of a risk taker are you?

"In WG1 - "The Physical Science Basis" -

"The high-end scenarios RCP8.5 or SSP5-8.5 have recently been argued to be implausible to unfold (e.g.,(Hausfather and Peters, 2020); see Chapter 3 of the AR6 WGIII). "

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_Chapter_04.pdf

However in WG2 - "Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability"

"Most multi-model studies assuming rapid economic growth/business-as-usual scenarios (A2,A1B, RCP8.5) show an increase in future woody biomass and areas of woody cover towards the end of the 21st century in the temperate regions (Boit et al., 2016; Nabuurs et al., 2017) and in tropical forests in East Africa (Ross et al., 2021) but decrease in the remaining tropical regions (Anadón et al., 2014; Boit et al..2016; Lyra et al., 2017; Nabuurs et al., 2017; Maia et al., 2020).

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg2/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGII_FinalDraft_Cha...

So, according to the IPCC, RCP8.5 is both implausible and business-as-usual.

That is not 50-50.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:12pm:

How do studies into the effects of inhaling tobacco-borne chemicals differ from studies into the effects of inhaling air-borne pollution chemicals?

Autopsies showed the damage of smoking. Statistical studies are not autopsies. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:12pm:

Hey; in a fabulous covid-enabled experiment in March 2020, the air in Los Angeles and New Dehli was cleaner than that seen for decades, as all non-essential industry and all transport was locked down.

And did the poor in New Delhi stop burning dung etc for fuel? March 2020? Grin

As for LA it seems it was the cleanest for 3 months. The first recorded case was February 2020. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:12pm:

Common knowledge, google it.

Strange how you didn't get the story straight. Wink

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Re: 17 feet of snow in California
Reply #137 - Apr 14^th, 2022 at 2:44pm

lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:30pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:12pm:

I'll settle for the BOM's rain records since inception. Has the entire east coast experienced this duration and quantity of rainfall before, over a three month period?

Yes.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:12pm:

So...a c. 50-50 interpretation of data? How much of a risk taker are you?

"In WG1 - "The Physical Science Basis" -

"The high-end scenarios RCP8.5 or SSP5-8.5 have recently been argued to be implausible to unfold (e.g.,(Hausfather and Peters, 2020); see Chapter 3 of the AR6 WGIII). "

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_Chapter_04.pdf

However in WG2 - "Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability"

"Most multi-model studies assuming rapid economic growth/business-as-usual scenarios (A2,A1B, RCP8.5) show an increase in future woody biomass and areas of woody cover towards the end of the 21st century in the temperate regions (Boit et al., 2016; Nabuurs et al., 2017) and in tropical forests in East Africa (Ross et al., 2021) but decrease in the remaining tropical regions (Anadón et al., 2014; Boit et al..2016; Lyra et al., 2017; Nabuurs et al., 2017; Maia et al., 2020).

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg2/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGII_FinalDraft_Cha...

So, according to the IPCC, RCP8.5 is both implausible and business-as-usual.

That is not 50-50.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:12pm:

How do studies into the effects of inhaling tobacco-borne chemicals differ from studies into the effects of inhaling air-borne pollution chemicals?

Autopsies showed the damage of smoking. Statistical studies are not autopsies. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:12pm:

Hey; in a fabulous covid-enabled experiment in March 2020, the air in Los Angeles and New Dehli was cleaner than that seen for decades, as all non-essential industry and all transport was locked down.

And did the poor in New Delhi stop burning dung etc for fuel? March 2020? Grin

As for LA it seems it was the cleanest for 3 months. The first recorded case was February 2020. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:12pm:

Common knowledge, google it.

Strange how you didn't get the story straight. Wink

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/rio-tinto-quits-mining-lobby-group-amid-...

Rio Tinto quits mining lobby group amid climate rift
Nick Toscano 1 hour ago

"Rio Tinto, one of the largest Australian mining companies, has cut ties with Queensland's key resources lobby group after expressing concerns about its advocacy for policies surrounding the future of coal.

The mining giant's decision to quit the Queensland Resources Council (QRC), chaired by former federal Liberal minister Ian Macfarlane, follows moves by BHP and Origin Energy to suspend their memberships because of the group's controversial advertising campaign urging Queenslanders to "vote Greens last" at a 2020 state election".

Even the mining companies 'turning green'.....enjoy!

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Re: 17 feet of snow in California
Reply #138 - Apr 14^th, 2022 at 2:47pm

So, ya reckon that it will be a cold winter in Australia, after all that rainfall soaking the ground over the last few months? I do not know if Australia's cold winters follow California's cold winters. But, our region (CQ) is forecasted to have above-average May rainfall. We may end up having a bitterly cold winter this year.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21507 Gender:	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #139 - Apr 14^th, 2022 at 5:33pm thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2022 at 2:44pm: Even the mining companies 'turning green'.....enjoy! Really? Where did it say that? Its only concern was political and "vote Greens last". Nothing about advocating for the Greens.
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Re: 17 feet of snow in California
Reply #140 - Apr 14^th, 2022 at 7:35pm

lee wrote on Apr 14^th, 2022 at 5:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2022 at 2:44pm:

Even the mining companies 'turning green'.....enjoy!

Really? Where did it say that? Its only concern was political and "vote Greens last". Nothing about advocating for the Greens. Grin

Er... I would have thought the biggest miners cutting ties with the fossil industry represents the general movement happening among many of the major financial and resource players toward "turning green".

If not actually advocating for the Greens political party.

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Re: 17 feet of snow in California
Reply #141 - Apr 14^th, 2022 at 7:44pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 14^th, 2022 at 2:47pm:

So, ya reckon that it will be a cold winter in Australia, after all that rainfall soaking the ground over the last few months? I do not know if Australia's cold winters follow California's cold winters. But, our region (CQ) is forecasted to have above-average May rainfall. We may end up having a bitterly cold winter this year.

My bet is that it will be very cold as predicted.

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Re: 17 feet of snow in California
Reply #142 - Apr 14^th, 2022 at 8:58pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2022 at 7:35pm:

Er... I would have thought the biggest miners cutting ties with the fossil industry represents the general movement happening among many of the major financial and resource players toward "turning green".

They didn't cut ties with the fossil fuel industry. They still rely on fossil fuels. Roll Eyes

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Reply #143 - Apr 14^th, 2022 at 10:13pm

lee wrote on Apr 14^th, 2022 at 8:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2022 at 7:35pm:

Er... I would have thought the biggest miners cutting ties with the fossil industry represents the general movement happening among many of the major financial and resource players toward "turning green".

They didn't cut ties with the fossil fuel industry. They still rely on fossil fuels. Roll Eyes

"expressing concerns about its advocacy for policies surrounding the future of coal".

...not cutting ties?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21507 Gender:	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #144 - Apr 15^th, 2022 at 3:36pm thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2022 at 10:13pm: "expressing concerns about its advocacy for policies surrounding the future of coal". ...not cutting ties? Exactly. Tell us where they have said from hereon in it is only renewables.
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Re: 17 feet of snow in California
Reply #145 - Apr 15^th, 2022 at 3:48pm

lee wrote on Apr 15^th, 2022 at 3:36pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 14^th, 2022 at 10:13pm:

"expressing concerns about its advocacy for policies surrounding the future of coal".

...not cutting ties?

Exactly. Tell us where they have said from hereon in it is only renewables. Grin

Guess why BHP has sold all its petroleum assets in the US and Oz, (to Woodside, in the latter case) and both Rio and BHP, the world's largest mining companies, are exiting coal...

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Reply #146 - Apr 15^th, 2022 at 5:27pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 15^th, 2022 at 3:48pm:

Guess why BHP has sold all its petroleum assets in the US and Oz, (to Woodside, in the latter case) and both Rio and BHP, the world's largest mining companies, are exiting coal...

Green activism. Grin

Did you notice they sold them off? What dors that tell you? Other companies bought them and will continue to operate them. Wink

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #147 - Apr 28^th, 2022 at 10:02am Tell us more, B00bby, about that 17 ft of snow in California ... California declares historic water emergency measures amid drought https://archive.ph/QDRj6#selection-361.0-364.0
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21507 Gender:	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #148 - Apr 28^th, 2022 at 4:06pm What is the difference between Southern California and Sierra Nevada? 2 different geographic zones? Is that all? Only 8 hours by train or bus.
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 121960 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 17 feet of snow in California Reply #149 - Apr 28^th, 2022 at 4:42pm AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2022 at 10:02am: Tell us more, Bobby, about that 17 ft of snow in California ... California declares historic water emergency measures amid drought https://archive.ph/QDRj6#selection-361.0-364.0 It's another sign of the End Times.
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