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Reply #15 - Dec 10th, 2021 at 9:06am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 8:47am:
rhino wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:04pm:
rhino wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 8:45pm:
That doesnt surprise me Brian, its been known for some time that some commonly prescribed  anti depressants actually increase the rate of suicide amongst all groups. A close family member of mine attempted suicide after being prescribed anti depressants and a work colleague and good friend committed suicide last year also after being prescribed anti depressants.


Depends on how widely they were proscribed.
Anti depressant are one of the most widely prescribed group of drugs and are commonly prescribed for PTS.


I am aware of that.  I wonder if they are as widely proscribed to service people.


Prescribed as opposed to proscribed, Brian.  Proscribed means 'written against' as opposed to 'written in advance'.
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Re: Royal commision into ADF suicides
Reply #16 - Dec 10th, 2021 at 9:11am
 
rhino wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 9:04pm:
rhino wrote on Nov 30th, 2021 at 8:45pm:
That doesnt surprise me Brian, its been known for some time that some commonly prescribed  anti depressants actually increase the rate of suicide amongst all groups. A close family member of mine attempted suicide after being prescribed anti depressants and a work colleague and good friend committed suicide last year also after being prescribed anti depressants.


Depends on how widely they were proscribed.
Anti depressant are one of the most widely prescribed group of drugs and are commonly prescribed for PTS.


Usually the 'diagnosis' is PTSD with associated depression (often) substance abuse - the attempt to treat the symptoms often creates other problems.  It is well known that female service people suffer a higher rate of PTSD from commitment to primarily non-combat duties. You could argue why that is from many directions.

A lot of work needs to be done here, and I'm not sure the current approach has any merit.
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Reply #17 - Dec 10th, 2021 at 9:18am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Dec 9th, 2021 at 9:02pm:


They say that nothing, no amount of training etc, can fully prepare anyone for the realities.  When Service personnel are selected from 'stable' and co-operative types in society, it is inevitable™ that sudden confrontation with grim reality will affect many.  At the same time, attempts to get around that and 'de-sensitise' people are met with stony silence and outright hostility.

It's a hard choice between treating people roughly to take the edge of civilisation off them and readying them for sudden bad scenes (man), and bullying and bastardisation... see 7RAR now.... such training needs careful management, and in this day and age of the SNAG is very difficult.  Kids brought up to 'not be boys' do not find it easy.
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Reply #18 - Dec 10th, 2021 at 7:25pm
 
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Re: Royal commision into ADF suicides
Reply #19 - Dec 10th, 2021 at 8:22pm
 
Not another bloody Royal Commission Roll Eyes

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Re: Royal commision into ADF suicides
Reply #20 - Dec 10th, 2021 at 10:59pm
 
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Sort of rellie has issues, he's not a Veteran but was a former paratrooper... I can read the signs.... he has the same difficulty getting any help, including for a clear injury from a parachuting accident well documented.... it seems stonewalling remains in play.... keep saying no until they go away or die or get past the age (for a Vet) when they can get TPI even though they have the same disabilities.

Disgraceful....
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Josh frydenburger tried to bribe way out of RC
Reply #21 - Jan 18th, 2022 at 5:21pm
 
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Josh Frydenberg invited veterans and health professionals to submit cost-free proposals in what appears to be an agreement to cease the Veteran Suicide Royal Commission, writes Hayden O'Connor.

RECENTLY ACQUIRED EMAILS suggest that Treasurer Josh Frydenberg attempted to bribe veterans and health professionals on behalf of the Morrison Government, in a desperate “whatever it takes” attempt to avoid the establishment of a Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide.

The emails reveal that in the first of two private meetings, Frydenberg instructed the veterans and health professionals in attendance to put forward their wish list to Health Minister Greg Hunt for approval. In the meeting, Frydenberg made it perfectly clear to attendees that cost was not an issue. It was essentially a free-for-all. Ask and you shall receive.

Leading advocate for establishing the Royal Commission, Julie-Ann Finney, was made aware of these meetings when some of the veterans and health professionals called her after they met with Hunt. They tried to persuade Finney into dropping her fight for a Royal Commission, citing what had been promised to them by Frydenberg and Hunt as their reasons.

When Julie-Ann Finney revealed her knowledge of these two meetings in The Advertiser on 16 January 2020, she alleged Frydenberg instantly called her, angrily demanding that she retract her comments and reveal who told her about the meetings. Fortunately for Josh Frydenberg and the Liberal Party, the piece was published online as a subscriber-only story and did not gain any national traction or coverage.

Now that the Royal Commission has been officially called, Julie-Ann Finney feels that she is free to speak publicly on the dodgy deals and bullying that occurred during her fight for a royal commission.

Emails obtained from Finney, provided to her by an Afghanistan Veteran, detail the summary of a meeting that took place on 12 December 2019 in Frydenberg’s electorate office. The meeting was set up by former Governor-General Sir Peter Cosgrove and included veterans and health professionals as well as Josh Frydenberg and his advisers.

The email described a blank cheque situation:

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‘He [Frydenberg] has requested, after the Hunt meeting, that we then send to the Treasurer a list of the services we propose to fill gaps in current care. Further, he advised that we do not need to cost our requests in the summary. He indicated that support from Minister Hunt is essential. Once secured, Minister Hunt and Treasurer Frydenberg will present our proposals to Cabinet before the next Budget.’

Whilst the email summary doesn't explicitly state the existence of a bribe or quid pro quo agreement, the veterans and health professionals in attendance would surely have no other reason to request that Julie-Ann Finney end her fight for a royal commission.

Even though the story revealing the existence of these meetings didn’t go further than The Advertiser, Finney claims that Josh Frydenberg called her on the day the article was published and that he was not very happy, demanding that she retract the comments made in The Advertiser:

Josh Frydenberg called me on the day my comments were published in The Advertiser, I don’t recall the exact wording, but he said words to the effect of:   

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“I need the names of the people you are getting your information from” and “You need to retract your statements in The Advertiser article”. 


I told him: “No names, these people trust me, they don't trust you” and “no, I will not retract my statements, but I will let the journalist know that you asked me to”.

Finney claims that Frydenberg instantly ended the phone call after realising that she would not comply with his demands. This conversation concluded without him offering any condolences for the passing of her Navy Officer son, David Finney, who tragically took his own life.

Finney was disgusted with Frydenberg’s behaviour and his complete lack of compassion:

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‘No matter what I do, I’m still a mother who is only fighting because of her son; not for him, he’s dead, but because of him. He can save other lives and I did not deserve that [from Frydenberg].’

The claim that Frydenberg called Julie-Ann Finney in an attempt to bully her into retracting her comments adds credibility to the recent claim made by Julia Banks that he – whilst acting as a “bully boy” for Prime Minister Scott Morrison – live texted his conversation with Julia Banks to Sky News.

Julie-Ann Finney also stated that she lays no blame on the group of health professionals and veterans who attended the meetings with Frydenberg and then Hunt and that her issue resides with the Morrison Government and their disregard for the best interest of veterans.

Evidently, if the Morrison Government was truly serious about taking care of veterans, then filling the gaps in current care would be a priority and the proposals presented to Frydenberg and Hunt would have been assessed and implemented regardless of whether a royal commission was established.


https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/frydenbergs-move-to-b...

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Reply #22 - Feb 14th, 2022 at 8:28pm
 
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Reply #27 - Jun 20th, 2022 at 5:59pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2022 at 5:55pm:


If you had been 'Blooded', required to blow the brains out of some innocent person, you too might have problems dealing with that.


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Re: Royal commision into ADF suicides
Reply #28 - Jun 20th, 2022 at 6:35pm
 
Australian Soldiers are just paid hit-men mercenaries for the USA's 'most invasive nation ever' policy.
No wonder they feel shame.

Heard a bunch of SAS guys called themselves the 300 Spartans. How's that for an ego wank.
No wonder they can't cope in the outside world beyond a military base and its comfort zone.
Life is too tough on the outside with us common folk.
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Reply #29 - Jun 20th, 2022 at 6:41pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 4:15pm:


The army is poo.  The people who are in the army are also victims
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