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Re: Sweden
Reply #45 - Dec 1^st, 2021 at 7:30am

rhino wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 11:27pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 11:18pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 9:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 9:16pm:

Those who deal with livestock like Aqua seem to grasp this herd immunity concept far better than city slickers.

Lol, you think the word "herd" when used in this context relates to livestock management? ROFL!

Aqua could tell you about the Hendra virus spread by Flying foxes to Horses on the east coast of Australia. Humans can catch Hendra from horses can't get it from flying foxes.

Hendra virus has 60% Case Fatality rate for humans we're around 1% CFR for Kung Flu. Aqua would have dealt with a far more deadly virus than the Kung Flu.

Since they named it Hendra virus after a place in Australia where it originated perhaps we should call this covid virus the Wuhan virus.

Yes... but humans can get Nipah & Lyssa viruses direct from Flying Foxes. The fact that horses are an intermediary host for Hendra to pass to humans - it's origins are still fruit bat.

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Hendra and Nipah viruses have been shown to be the first two members of a new genus, Henipavirus, in the family Paramyxoviridae, subfamily Paramyxovirinae, whereas Australian bat lyssavirus is closely related antigenically to classical rabies virus in the genus Lyssavirus, family Rhabdoviridae.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15119765/

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Reply #48 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 6:10am

Sweden has finished the marathon
Now they are kicking back with a beer watching the rest of the world sweat

New South Wales halfway through the marathon
Queensland has just laced up there shoes but is already cramping at the start line
Western Australia is still in bed
Well technically under the bed
And thinks it can avoid the brutal challenge in front of it
In this they are mistaken

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Reply #49 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 6:35am

The current population of Sweden is 10,189,927.
The number of Covid deaths is 15,158.

The current population of Australia is 25,925,643.
The number of Covid deaths is 2,104.

If we would have followed Sweden we would have had
25.9/10.2 * 15,158 = 38,489 deaths.

Therefore by following our policies we have saved:
38,489 - 2,104 = 36,385 people from dying.

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Re: Sweden
Reply #52 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 6:59am

Bobby. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 6:35am:

The current population of Sweden is 10,189,927.
The number of Covid deaths is 15,158.

The current population of Australia is 25,925,643.
The number of Covid deaths is 2,104.

If we would have followed Sweden we would have had
25.9/10.2 * 15,158 = 38,489 deaths.

Therefore by following our policies we have saved:
38,489 - 2,104 = 36,385 people from dying.

Hi there Bobby

Sweden is pretty much back to business as usual

If you have a breast cancer or a prostate cancer
If you are waiting for heart surgery or any sort of elective surgery
A new knee or cataracts so you can see

You are going to be waiting much much much longer in Australia over the next several years
Because we have spent so much money and so much time and so much of our hospitals resources on fighting kovid
We have neglected fighting the big killers and those deaths will occur in other innocent people

We have spent billions of dollars rolling out vaccinations
Which are going to prove fairly useless against omicron

We have spent 2 years treading water and we have little to show for it

Get back to me in another 24 months and see if you still agree we went the correct route and Sweden made an error
I think you may be reassessing the situation as your friends drop from other diseases that they could not get treated because we had obsessive disorder over this mild respiratory virus
Which isn't even a respiratory virus anymore if we would just let omicron loose before it mutates into something nasty

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Reply #53 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 7:13am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 6:59am:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 6:35am:

The current population of Sweden is 10,189,927.
The number of Covid deaths is 15,158.

The current population of Australia is 25,925,643.
The number of Covid deaths is 2,104.

If we would have followed Sweden we would have had
25.9/10.2 * 15,158 = 38,489 deaths.

Therefore by following our policies we have saved:
38,489 - 2,104 = 36,385 people from dying.

Hi there Bobby

Sweden is pretty much back to business as usual

If you have a breast cancer or a prostate cancer
If you are waiting for heart surgery or any sort of elective surgery
A new knee or cataracts so you can see

You are going to be waiting much much much longer in Australia over the next several years
Because we have spent so much money and so much time and so much of our hospitals resources on fighting kovid
We have neglected fighting the big killers and those deaths will occur in other innocent people

We have spent billions of dollars rolling out vaccinations
Which are going to prove fairly useless against omicron

We have spent 2 years treading water and we have little to show for it

Get back to me in another 24 months and see if you still agree we went the correct route and Sweden made an error
I think you may be reassessing the situation as your friends drop from other diseases that they could not get treated because we had obsessive disorder over this mild respiratory virus
Which isn't even a respiratory virus anymore if we would just let omicron loose before it mutates into something nasty

Granted - my figures don't consider the
number of people who will die from lack of care
from other illnesses.

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Re: Sweden
Reply #54 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 7:29am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 3:14pm:

41 people in a serious condition at the moment in the whole of sweden with covid

4450 people in a serious condition at the moment in germany with covid.

the swedes.... so successful, so much to be admired

And it seems you successfully ignore statistics that show Sweden has 20 times the death rate per million compared to Australia.

There is no full herd immunity to COVID family of viruses.

That's why flu vaccinations are yearly.

It's about prevention/reduction of serious illness & hospitalisation....

not a F . U . C . K . I . N . G cure.

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Re: Sweden
Reply #55 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 7:30am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 6:10am:

Sweden has finished the marathon
Now they are kicking back with a beer watching the rest of the world sweat

New South Wales halfway through the marathon
Queensland has just laced up there shoes but is already cramping at the start line
Western Australia is still in bed
Well technically under the bed
And thinks it can avoid the brutal challenge in front of it
In this they are mistaken

Time for another marathon by the look of things.

Sweden to introduce COVID-19 restrictions

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Sweden will introduce COVID-19 restrictions as the number of infections in the country increasingly spread, Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson announced on Tuesday.

According to Health Minister Lena Hallengren, the measures will include wearing masks on public transport, recommendations to work from home and the avoidance of crowds.

The measures, the first new recommendations since Andersson became prime minister last month, will take effect on Wednesday.

Redmond Neck wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 6:55am:

JUST PROVES AQUASCOOT IS A DILL!

Grin

As I said yesterday... its like Groundhog Day with aqua. Instead of waking up every morning to the sound of I Got You Babe by Sonny & Cher like Bill Murray did we get Sweden Has Run The Marathon by Aquascoot and the Horse Manures.

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Reply #56 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 7:37am

Hi there Carl

Sweden suggests and recommends to it's population where the government treat people as adults

Let's just wait and see what happens in Queensland over the next 3 to 6 months as we face the first wave

My prediction is it won't be pretty
My prediction is a lot of chaos and bureaucratic nonsense
Followed by a meltdown in the healthcare system

My prediction is that by March next year Queensland power-hungry politicians and health officers will be doing a lot more than make recommendations
And will be treating the population like naughty school children
Not like responsible adults who have their roles to play

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Re: Sweden
Reply #57 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 7:38am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 8:17pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 8:01pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 7:57pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 7:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2021 at 7:38pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 28^th, 2021 at 10:58pm:

Im curious why these idiots keep running this line when the facts say otherwise.
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A year and a half after Sweden decided not to lock down, its COVID-19 death rate is up to 10 times higher than its neighbors
Sweden decided not to implement a full-scale lockdown during the pandemic.
It now has up to 10 times as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as its Nordic neighbors.
Sweden also didn’t fare much better economically, suggesting its gamble didn’t pay off.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/sweden-covid-no-lockdown-strategy-failed-high...

You have to look at the bigger picture which might be difficult for those with simple minds this virus isn't going to be eliminated even Dickhead Dan in Victoria admits this his world record for lockdowns still has Vic around 1000 new cases a day.

The experts are saying elimination cannot happen and vaccines are unlikely to give us herd immunity.

When you go for natural herd immunity and let it rip there will be short term pain for long term gains. The bigger picture which just about everyone misses is the long term gains.

The interesting thing with this graph is Sweden has significantly lower new daily cases per million despite having a lower fully vaccinated rate compared to those countries which shows the Swedes were probably right all along in chasing natural herd immunity.

BaronVonRort, you are bonehead of the week which wins you a dirty weekend at Chez Gordon with Yadda as your date.

Sweden is not testing as extensively as other countries so it is ignorant of the real numbers. Probably just counting cadavers.

99.6% of those we test in Australia are negative for Kung Flu.

We have done 47,895,753 tests here with 0.4% being positive.
https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-...

What does a high rate of testing achieve apart from costing a fortune when 99.6% of all tests were negative?

Get a job and pay some taxes ya dopey bum

That higlighted sentence answers your own question and you dont get it.

You don't see the bigger picture which is the Swedes might be the only people to achieve herd immunity. You keep looking short term and miss the point of long term gains with their strategy.

Their deaths and new cases are lower despite having the lowest fully vaccinated rate of these countries.

The Swedes will not achieve "Herd(majority) Immunity" against COV19 & it's variants.

Neither will we ...... we & they will achieve a level of protection against serious illness or death.

These viruses are not like other diseases that have virtually been eradicated by vaccination & herd immunity.

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Reply #58 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 7:53am

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 7:37am:

Hi there Carl

Sweden suggests and recommends to it's population where the government treat people as adults

Let's just wait and see what happens in Queensland over the next 3 to 6 months as we face the first wave

My prediction is it won't be pretty
My prediction is a lot of chaos and bureaucratic nonsense
Followed by a meltdown in the healthcare system

My prediction is that by March next year Queensland power-hungry politicians and health officers will be doing a lot more than make recommendations
And will be treating the population like naughty school children
Not like responsible adults who have their roles to play

Have to agree with you there. The health systems in just about every Australian State couldn't cope even before Covid due to years of cost cutting by governments.

We have South Australia open and Covid cases starting to rise. Same with New South Wales.

Victoria continues with its Covid disaster.

Queensland opened up today shortly to be followed by Tasmania.

All under the guise of 'reuniting families' when the real reason is to start raking in the money again for big business, especially airlines and travel agents, etc.

Here in WA... today, Mark McGowan is supposed to be announcing a 'definite' date for reopening - probably at the start of February.

Hopefully that will not be 'set in stone' because I'm pretty sure the rest of Australia will be back in lockdown by then, if not earlier (I'm still predicting before Christmas).

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Reply #59 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 8:50am

Carl D wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 7:53am:

aquascoot wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 7:37am:

Hi there Carl

Sweden suggests and recommends to it's population where the government treat people as adults

Let's just wait and see what happens in Queensland over the next 3 to 6 months as we face the first wave

My prediction is it won't be pretty
My prediction is a lot of chaos and bureaucratic nonsense
Followed by a meltdown in the healthcare system

My prediction is that by March next year Queensland power-hungry politicians and health officers will be doing a lot more than make recommendations
And will be treating the population like naughty school children
Not like responsible adults who have their roles to play

Have to agree with you there. The health systems in just about every Australian State couldn't cope even before Covid due to years of cost cutting by governments.

We have South Australia open and Covid cases starting to rise. Same with New South Wales.

Victoria continues with its Covid disaster.

Queensland opened up today shortly to be followed by Tasmania.

All under the guise of 'reuniting families' when the real reason is to start raking in the money again for big business, especially airlines and travel agents, etc.

Here in WA... today, Mark McGowan is supposed to be announcing a 'definite' date for reopening - probably at the start of February.

Hopefully that will not be 'set in stone' because I'm pretty sure the rest of Australia will be back in lockdown by then, if not earlier (I'm still predicting before Christmas).

It's not due to cost cutting by governments
Health expenditure has risen more than the rate of inflation every year for the last two decades
Health expenditure has risen more then expenditure on education infrastructure welfare

Unfortunately it is a bottomless pit

The failure of Australians to take personal responsibility for their health
The addiction to fast food and the acceptance of obesity and the sedentary lifestyle
The expectation of those over 70 that they should be given the Gold standard in medical treatment
The quadrupleing of the population over 80

Means that rationing is going to become more and more and more of a problem
If we decide to do 100000 covid tests a Day for everyone crossing the border
That's 10 million dollars down the toilet in meaningless bureaucratic nonsense

That's 10 million dollars to can't be spent on all the people who are having their health rationed
Kovid is going to make this so much worse you have no idea
And the more you concentrate on kovid
The more people are going to miss out on all the services they used to expect
Triy calling an ambulance in 3 months time
The operator will probably just laugh at you
Not the government's fault
They can't fund the expectations any longer

If you are sensible you will take personal responsibility for your health because no one else is going to be there for you

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