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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52023 At my desk.	Re: Muzzos with nukes...what great idea Reply #45 - Dec 5^th, 2021 at 9:56am Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 8:30pm: Where did I do that, Freediver? In the Paul Keating thread. Can you follow the logic of what might happen if people tried to achieve your fantasy of no-one having nuclear weapons? How do nukes "force" their owners to behave in a certain way?
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Reply #46 - Dec 5^th, 2021 at 11:50am

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2021 at 9:56am:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2021 at 8:30pm:

Where did I do that, Freediver? Roll Eyes

In the Paul Keating thread.

In your imagination...
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Can you follow the logic of what might happen if people tried to achieve your fantasy of no-one having nuclear weapons?

I can follow the existing logic but I am following an alternative logic. Nuclear weapons are pointless unless used and if used destroy everything.
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How do nukes "force" their owners to behave in a certain way?

Can you explain the way they are presently employed? Roll Eyes

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Reply #47 - Dec 5^th, 2021 at 12:01pm

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I can follow the existing logic but I am following an alternative logic.

Are they contradictory? Or have you not thought it through yet?

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Nuclear weapons are pointless unless used

Crap. Inventing your own reality is not logic Brian. It is just you dribbling poo.

How do nukes "force" their owners to behave in a certain way?

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Reply #48 - Dec 5^th, 2021 at 1:00pm

Although it pains me to say it.

Bwyannnmnnn does have a point.
Weapons, all weapons, do influence some owners because they think that, if they use them first, they can prevent someone using them against them.
This is, of course, a cowards way of thinking, and usually results in people shooting, blowing up and generally killing people for no good reason other than they are afraid.

The justification these cowards use is we need bigger, stronger weapons because the other guy is making bigger, stronger weapons and we need to be on top.

A weapon should only ever be used as a last possible resort.
Pre-emptive is another way to say "cowards punch"

Unfortunately, there are many cowards with weapons and bombs who are only to willing to use them.
And not enough honest people with weapons to retaliate in time to save more lives.

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Reply #50 - Dec 5^th, 2021 at 3:57pm

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2021 at 12:01pm:

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I can follow the existing logic but I am following an alternative logic.

Are they contradictory? Or have you not thought it through yet?

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Nuclear weapons are pointless unless used

Crap. Inventing your own reality is not logic Brian. It is just you dribbling poo.

How do nukes "force" their owners to behave in a certain way?

Do you have anything substantial to add or are you just going to peddle your bullshit, Freediver? You'd be laughed out of any class that studies nuclear strategy for being a loser... Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52023 At my desk.	Re: Muzzos with nukes...what great idea Reply #51 - Dec 5^th, 2021 at 4:21pm How do nukes "force" their owners to behave in a certain way? What is your "alternate logic"? Is that like Trump's "alternative facts"?
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16339 Gender:	Re: Muzzos with nukes...what great idea Reply #52 - Dec 5^th, 2021 at 4:48pm Has there been a weapon or substance of military use in human history that has been abandoned because it is too effective?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 45830	Re: Muzzos with nukes...what great idea Reply #53 - Dec 5^th, 2021 at 5:05pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2021 at 4:48pm: Has there been a weapon or substance of military use in human history that has been abandoned because it is too effective? Gas, biological weapons.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 45830	Re: Muzzos with nukes...what great idea Reply #54 - Dec 5^th, 2021 at 5:08pm freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2021 at 4:21pm: How do nukes "force" their owners to behave in a certain way? What is your "alternate logic"? Is that like Trump's "alternative facts"? Oh, dearie, dearie, me.
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Reply #55 - Dec 5^th, 2021 at 5:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 5^th, 2021 at 5:05pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2021 at 4:48pm:

Has there been a weapon or substance of military use in human history that has been abandoned because it is too effective?

Gas, biological weapons.

Wasn't gas used in Syria? Many countries still possess, or may possess, chemical weapons.

It is yet to be determined that, while the covid leak was almost certainly an accident, the military may have had a role in overseeing the technology being researched.

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Reply #56 - Dec 5^th, 2021 at 6:04pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2021 at 5:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 5^th, 2021 at 5:05pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2021 at 4:48pm:

Has there been a weapon or substance of military use in human history that has been abandoned because it is too effective?

Gas, biological weapons.

Wasn't gas used in Syria? Many countries still possess, or may possess, chemical weapons.

It is yet to be determined that, while the covid leak was almost certainly an accident, the military may have had a role in overseeing the technology being researched.

And the jury is still out on covid......

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Reply #57 - Dec 5^th, 2021 at 6:57pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2021 at 5:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 5^th, 2021 at 5:05pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 5^th, 2021 at 4:48pm:

Has there been a weapon or substance of military use in human history that has been abandoned because it is too effective?

Gas, biological weapons.

Wasn't gas used in Syria? Many countries still possess, or may possess, chemical weapons.

It is yet to be determined that, while the covid leak was almost certainly an accident, the military may have had a role in overseeing the technology being researched.

Gas has been outlawed by international agreement. Biological weapons have been outlawed by international agreement. The UN enforces both agreements, sometime by wars... Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52023 At my desk.	Re: Muzzos with nukes...what great idea Reply #58 - Dec 5^th, 2021 at 9:17pm Is there anyone who agrees with Brian who doesn't turn into a dribbling imbecile when asked for a simple explanation?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 45830	Re: Muzzos with nukes...what great idea Reply #59 - Dec 5^th, 2021 at 9:34pm freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2021 at 9:17pm: Is there anyone who agrees with Brian who doesn't turn into a dribbling imbecile when asked for a simple explanation? Oh, dearie, dearie, me.
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