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Reply #90 - Mar 15^th, 2022 at 2:36pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14^th, 2022 at 3:33pm:

Oh dear - US warns China will face consequences if it helps Russia evade Ukraine war sanctions Roll Eyes

Here is a chance for Australia to really put some pressure on. Stop exports of iron ore, coal, pharmaceuticals, food...everything in fact, and watch them sit up and take notice.

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Reply #91 - Mar 15^th, 2022 at 2:45pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 15^th, 2022 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14^th, 2022 at 3:33pm:

Oh dear - US warns China will face consequences if it helps Russia evade Ukraine war sanctions Roll Eyes

Here is a chance for Australia to really put some pressure on. Stop exports of iron ore, coal, pharmaceuticals, food...everything in fact, and watch them sit up and take notice.

Since when have we been exporting pharmaceuticals to China?
Some decades ago we handed manufacturing of such products and their base ingredients to China in the interest of ’shareholder benefit’ and drug company executives bonuses. The time it would take to re-establish manufacturing in Australia would see a staggering number of their customers die.
Be very careful what you wish for.

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Reply #92 - Mar 15^th, 2022 at 5:17pm

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 15^th, 2022 at 2:45pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 15^th, 2022 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 14^th, 2022 at 3:33pm:

Oh dear - US warns China will face consequences if it helps Russia evade Ukraine war sanctions Roll Eyes

Here is a chance for Australia to really put some pressure on. Stop exports of iron ore, coal, pharmaceuticals, food...everything in fact, and watch them sit up and take notice.

Since when have we been exporting pharmaceuticals to China?
Some decades ago we handed manufacturing of such products and their base ingredients to China in the interest of ’shareholder benefit’ and drug company executives bonuses. The time it would take to re-establish manufacturing in Australia would see a staggering number of their customers die.
Be very careful what you wish for.

We have a relatively small ($700,000,000 p/a) but consistent export market for pharmaceuticals to China. https://tradingeconomics.com/australia/exports/china/pharmaceutical-products

With a bit of effort we can stop relying on imports from anywhere, not just China.

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Brian Ross Moderator Offline Representative of me Posts: 44347	Re: Things happen' down Lyviv way... Reply #94 - Mar 16^th, 2022 at 11:13am Oh dear, acting tough again. Getting ready for another tilt at the leadership? Peter Dutton escalates criticism of Vladimir Putin, says Russian invasion was a miscalculation
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Reply #95 - Mar 16^th, 2022 at 1:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16^th, 2022 at 10:40am:

Interesting - How likely is it Russia will use a nuclear or chemical weapons on Ukraine? Roll Eyes

The chemical scenario seems quite likely, although even Putin must realise that most people in the West would never buy it. In Russia itself, who knows?

The use of nuclear weapons however would be an escalation that even Putin must see will do his cause far more harm than good. Aside from the immediate impact in Ukraine, the automatic protocols in place for such an attack will almost certainly develop a life of their own resulting in an escalation that would effectively be WWIII.

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Reply #96 - Mar 16^th, 2022 at 2:54pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16^th, 2022 at 1:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16^th, 2022 at 10:40am:

Interesting - How likely is it Russia will use a nuclear or chemical weapons on Ukraine? Roll Eyes

The chemical scenario seems quite likely, although even Putin must realise that most people in the West would never buy it. In Russia itself, who knows?

The use of nuclear weapons however would be an escalation that even Putin must see will do his cause far more harm than good. Aside from the immediate impact in Ukraine, the automatic protocols in place for such an attack will almost certainly develop a life of their own resulting in an escalation that would effectively be WWIII.

Any nuclear or chemical attack will tell badly on the Russians. The winds are primarily from the west so any fall out would fall on Russian soil, hurting the Russians, themselves. It might kill a few Ukrainians but in the longer term... Roll Eyes

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Reply #97 - Mar 17^th, 2022 at 11:24am

Meantime, they let some of the oligarchs get away with it !

Putin-linked Russian oligarchs with Australian assets escape Morrison government sanctions

Must have mates in high places !

(Why is this government reacting - taking action only after the media takes an interest - instead of getting out there and doing what they should be doing ! Seems a standard criticism of Scottie and co...) Roll Eyes

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Reply #98 - Mar 17^th, 2022 at 1:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17^th, 2022 at 11:24am:

Meantime, they let some of the oligarchs get away with it !

Putin-linked Russian oligarchs with Australian assets escape Morrison government sanctions

Must have mates in high places !

(Why is this government reacting - taking action only after the media takes an interest - instead of getting out there and doing what they should be doing ! Seems a standard criticism of Scottie and co...) Roll Eyes

Just an oversight, or is someone in their pocket?

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Reply #99 - Mar 17^th, 2022 at 4:42pm

Belgarion wrote on Mar 17^th, 2022 at 1:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 17^th, 2022 at 11:24am:

Meantime, they let some of the oligarchs get away with it !

Putin-linked Russian oligarchs with Australian assets escape Morrison government sanctions

Must have mates in high places !

(Why is this government reacting - taking action only after the media takes an interest - instead of getting out there and doing what they should be doing ! Seems a standard criticism of Scottie and co...) Roll Eyes

Just an oversight, or is someone in their pocket?

Or something that clinks appreciably... Roll Eyes

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Reply #100 - Mar 17^th, 2022 at 7:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16^th, 2022 at 2:54pm:

Belgarion wrote on Mar 16^th, 2022 at 1:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16^th, 2022 at 10:40am:

Interesting - How likely is it Russia will use a nuclear or chemical weapons on Ukraine? Roll Eyes

The chemical scenario seems quite likely, although even Putin must realise that most people in the West would never buy it. In Russia itself, who knows?

The use of nuclear weapons however would be an escalation that even Putin must see will do his cause far more harm than good. Aside from the immediate impact in Ukraine, the automatic protocols in place for such an attack will almost certainly develop a life of their own resulting in an escalation that would effectively be WWIII.

Any nuclear or chemical attack will tell badly on the Russians. The winds are primarily from the west so any fall out would fall on Russian soil, hurting the Russians, themselves. It might kill a few Ukrainians but in the longer term... Roll Eyes

The prevailing wind in Ukraine isn’t always to the West.
To presume Putin is sane is the biggest mistake. OK, he’s more bad than mad but his state of mind is one of the most dangerous threats our species has ever faced. Or main hope is someone in the Russian military ‘removes’ him.

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Reply #101 - Mar 17^th, 2022 at 7:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16^th, 2022 at 10:40am:

Interesting - How likely is it Russia will use a nuclear or chemical weapons on Ukraine? Roll Eyes

That’s the wrong question. How likely is Putin to unleash nuclear weapons is closer to it. To presume anything like the Russian people as a whole have any say in unleashing nuclear war is as inaccurate at to suggest the American people as a whole are able to make such a decision.

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Reply #102 - Mar 18^th, 2022 at 1:55pm

Ayn Marx wrote on Mar 17^th, 2022 at 7:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 16^th, 2022 at 10:40am:

Interesting - How likely is it Russia will use a nuclear or chemical weapons on Ukraine? Roll Eyes

That’s the wrong question. How likely is Putin to unleash nuclear weapons is closer to it. To presume anything like the Russian people as a whole have any say in unleashing nuclear war is as inaccurate at to suggest the American people as a whole are able to make such a decision.

You have a point but basically it is useless. Russia as a entity is referred to in the singular, as a collective. In theory, at least, they are a democracy and Putin represents them as a people. Therefore it is assumed that as a consequence when I say "Russia" I am referring to the country as a whole. Just as a "America" as a whole refers to them collectively, as a "Australia" refer to Australia as a whole... Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Moderator Offline Representative of me Posts: 44347	Re: Things happen' down Lyviv way... Reply #103 - Mar 18^th, 2022 at 1:55pm What weapons have other countries supplied to Ukraine? Seems there may be some significant training required before some of them become effective (Starstreak for instance)...
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Brian Ross Moderator Offline Representative of me Posts: 44347	Re: Things happen' down Lyviv way... Reply #104 - Mar 19^th, 2022 at 9:30am Oh dear - UK intelligence chief warns Russia is switching to a 'strategy of attrition' that will worsen humanitarian crisis Hundreds feared trapped under rubble after Ukraine theatre destroyed
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