thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 12:27pm:


Really? PV's reduce CO2? Manufacture of PV's reduces CO2?

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 12:27pm:


And yet you can't cite what you say.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 19^th, 2021 at 3:49pm:


What hothouse effect? The earth is not a hothouse. A hothouse doesn't have cooling breezes for a start.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 12:27pm:


They have a lot to do with China's emissions.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 12:27pm:


The UN got vetoed on Taiwan. Australia deals with Taiwan. despite the One China. And One China does NOT debar Taiwan. Biden? oh Hunter's employer?

"In fact, the policy allows for the existence of two separate Chinese entities, not one.

They are People's Republic of China (PRC), governed by the Communist Party from Beijing, and the Republic of China (ROC), based on the island of Taiwan and governed by the Democratic Progressive Party.

If that sounds confusing, it's because it is. The policy was designed to be deliberately ambiguous.

To further complicate matters, the One China policy isn't actually one policy at all, but several — the most famous and influential being the American version.

Various US allies, including Australia, Canada and Japan, have their own policies, all in line with America's."

""The position statement is that the United States 'recognises' the People's Republic of China as the sole legal government of China," explains China expert Mark Harrison, from the University of Tasmania.

"However, it does not state that it accepts that the PRC has sovereignty over Taiwan.

"The word that it uses is that it 'acknowledges' Beijing's position that it is the sovereign government of the island of Taiwan."

Australia's One China policy contains similar wording.

"There's a very particular ambiguous use of language in the way these statements are framed," Dr Harrison says.

"Washington and other countries show that they understand Beijing's position but also indicate that they will not take action that validates Beijing's position.""

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-08/one-china-policy-history-and-relevance-ex...

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 12:27pm:


And it is still nowhere near enough to claim even majority status.

"By the end of November, the country's installed wind power capacity had soared 29 percent year on year to 300 million kilowatts, and its solar power capacity had reached 290 million kilowatts, up 24.1 percent from a year ago.

China's total installed power generation capacity stood at 2.32 billion kilowatts, growing 9 percent year on year, the NEA data shows."

http://www.china.org.cn/business/2021-12/18/content_77938652.htm

So installed capacity 590 million KW at 35% capacity factor 206 Million KW out of 2,320 equals 8.9%. Not even close to impressive.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 12:27pm:


Link? Australia has large forests, mangroves etc. We are a carbon (sic) sink. That means we are already BELOW net zero. In fact the CSIRO says the whole Southern Hemisphere is a carbon sink.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 12:27pm:


Poor petal. You want me to prove a negative.

But try this -

"
John Hermann
Friday, June 10, 2011 at 19:22

Jim, althought Ellen Brown writes some good stuff, her understanding of monetary mechanics is deficient. It seems that she accepts the nutty debt-virus theory of banking, which has been thoroughly debunkied by those who have an adequate understanding of banking mechanics. Contrary to the claims of debt-virus theorists like Ellen, who think that the interest component of a bank loan requires specific money creation in order to accommodate it, we know that around 98 percent of commercial bank interest income (on average) is spent back into the economy in order to cover the bank’s operating costs (tax, shareholder dividends, interest to depositors, salaries and bonuses to employees, contractors fees, and other overheads). Along with many others, she has fallen into the trap of confusing stocks and flows."

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=14772

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 12:27pm:


Oh noes. citing his religious beliefs. i

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 9:30pm:


When will this occur? You have this naive belief in renewables. Touching really.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 9:30pm:


Oh dear. Fossil fuel producers know what scientists know. Not more not less. But continue on with your bullschist claims.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 9:30pm:


Poor petal. A hothouse by definition is hot. It is not ordinarily open to the outside world. It has extra heating. Perhaps you mean a greenhouse. you really have no clue.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 9:30pm:


And it will continue to be.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 9:30pm:


The meritocracy not based on merit.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 9:30pm:


And STILL in no position to power China.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 9:30pm:



Oh dear. Per capita emissions. I thought Total Emissions was the problem. If not we will just wait for China and India to catch up.

Per capita emissions is a wankfest, So what are Australia's total emissions. What is Total Sequestration? What is left? That is where you know what NET ZERO is. Total emissions- sequestration gives a figure. Below zero means Australia is a carbon sink.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 9:30pm:


You are just bloviating covering up your inconsequence.

lee wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 10:12pm:


Along with most of the world aiming for 100% renewables; the problem is the free market and mainstream economics.

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Actually, oil companies knew of the CO2 greenhouse effect as early as the 70's, and covered it up. And authorities are banning diesels in cities for another reason.....

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Of course I mean greenhouse; your argument - along with the article (which failed to take into account reduction of the greenhouse effect) -  falls over.

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Unfortunately for you, weather-related  catastrophes are now occurring with monotonous regularity, reinforcing the AGW narrative in peoples' minds all around the world.

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It is based on individuals' capability to fill the functions of a specific role; so let's call it an authoritarian consensus meritocracy (the Chinese themselves call it a peoples' national democracy; election of reps  by people who aren't interested in politics is worthless).....
cf government by our adversarial, hyper-partisan, short-term, two-party rabbles of elected self-interested clowns and scumbags.

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China of course has an added incentive to ditch filthy fossil, to attain clean air in the cities.  Be patient (they are also developing nuclear power).

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Difficult for survival of the fittest greedy Conservatives to realize we are all in this together. Hence the average  emissions for all of us on the planet must be addressed, by all of us.   

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When the awful foundation of the Conservative world view (namely, the survival of the fittest, self-interested 'freedom' instincts, of the non-human, natural world) is examined, the above response is to be expected. The path to enlightenment is a painful experience. 

lee wrote on Dec 21^st, 2021 at 6:19pm:


on the contrary:

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=48907

"To reclaim the state, we have to start with ourselves"

Difficult for survival of the fittest greedy Conservatives to realize we are all in this together

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That's right. Too many links,  but: 

"The fossil fuel industry was first warned about climate change back in 1959 by famed physicist Edward Teller, known as “the father of the hydrogen bomb.” Throughout the '60s and '70s, oil and gas companies continued to gather evidence that burning fossil fuels was going to change the planet, perhaps even ...29 Oct 2021"

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You claimed making PVs would heat the atmosphere. You forgot that the CO2 greenhouse effect would be decreased  when fossils are eliminated. As to numbers, I'll leave that you.

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Doesn't matter what I think; the mainstream media is saying climate change is the culprit. You lose... 

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in any case more successful than a hyper-partisan 'democratic', blind-leading-the-blind, achieve-nothing rabble.
The new Leftwing  Chilean leader wants to tackle poverty and inequality....he's got 2 chances in a 'democracy' of self-interested 'freedom' freaks (which we all are) : buckleys and none.   

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The US has the highest gun mortality rates of any developed country......but as China cleans up its energy sources, life expectancy will indeed exceed the US.

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No, all of us; what part of that don't you understand (even allowing for your Conservative world view)?

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But not for you, of course.......

lee wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 2:29pm:
We'll  see, after global pandemics bankrupt governments,   and climate change wrecks market economics.


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I'll let the IPCC handle those issues.

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You posted an article showing that PV farms increase temp. I pointed out that closing fossils reduces temp. (I'll let you do the search -  it's some way back)

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Even Murdoch is now on board.  Ouch! - As for science, I'll go with the IPCC.

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Irrelevant. We will see which system is more capable of creating national development, good community relations and common prosperity, within  the decade. 

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Hmm...3/4 of young Germans would rather fly than go by train on "short-haul".  They must have more money than brains....

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Something fishy there. The young are lavish supporters of the Strike for the Future movement:

"The 2019 Global Week for Future was a series of 4,500 strikes across over 150 countries, focused around Friday 20 September and Friday 27 September. Likely the largest climate strikes in world history, the 20 September strikes gathered roughly 4 million protesters, many of them schoolchildren, including 1.4 million in Germany.

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Irrelevant. Kids wanna go fast...and they'll be able to do that in their Dad's EV.

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Like I said, something fishy cf "20 September strikes gathered roughly 4 million protesters, many of them schoolchildren, including 1.4 million in Germany."


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Ah... 42%.... that's more like it. But of course we are all self-interested s**ts, and want somebody-else to pay....

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Irrelevant. Self-awareness, as in "know thyself"  - an experiential, consciousness-raising task, is beyond objective scientific observation and measurement.

lee wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 5:58pm:


http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=48861

"Sunak – (bad) comedian of the year"

The UK treasurer thinks he has to cut overseas aid to the 3rd world, in the middle of a pandemic....lucky you aren't in a refugee boat in the english channel...

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Yes, but the AGW CO2 greenhouse effect is more damaging to the climate, according to the IPCC

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A conservative mainstream rag switched sides; didn't disappoint you? Now the entire mainstream press - Liberal/progressive and Conservative - are on board with AGW CO2.  Makes your pro-fossil propaganda all the more difficult to sustain, because most readers don't follow the minutiae of the figures (ppm CO2 etc); and the IPCC disagree with you.

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No, the IPCC that says we have to halve CO2 emissions by 2030....

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That remains to be seen. The party won't retain my support if they don't fix up the Evergrande disaster ASAP.

"Houses are for living in", as Xi observed several years ago. I expect him to deal with the Western-style ponzi real estate investors, more successfully than the CCP has apparently  been able to do, so far.

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Actually I had no idea what your reference to "German youth" meant. I incorrectly supposed it had something to do with Hitler youth,  and hence ignored it.

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1.4 million German youth on the Sept 20th climate demo....

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Actually, German youth - along with Germans in general - are the worst 'deficit hawks' in the world, because of their nation's history (Weimar Republic hyper-inflation). Hence the nation insists on export surpluses to achieve government surpluses, to the detriment of everyone  else.... meanwhile German infrastructure is almost as under-funded as the US. 

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Addressed above; now you know why they are anything but "enlightened"

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That's not debate. As I already noted on the COP26 topic;
(our broken world) ...."all courtesy of the monstrous, self-interested Conservative geopolitics of your filthy oil economy".


     

lee wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2021 at 4:01pm:


Everyone knows tobacco, grog  and fossils are poisonous killers and even the fossil companies themselves had a handle on the CO2 issue for decades (i'm agnostic on the AGW issue, the other issues are true of course). 

Meanwhile you are happy to rubbish the IPCC who say we must halve emissions by 2030. 

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And apparently they have woken up to the fact  their readers  agree with the IPCC science which says we must halve CO2 emissions by 2030.

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Do 100 scientists change from a scientific body into a political one, by dint of numbers?   

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The role of science is discovery first, then skepticism, then proof. But the process is not always clear cut, eg is the 'theory' of evolution still a theory?

And as for the 'theory' of AGW; what if it's correct?

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That's the theory....

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The CCP certainly lost control of Evergrande. Very disappointing. As for individuals earning millions of dollars per hour - 24/7, 365 days every year - in their sleep, that is economic BS.

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No, just highly sensitive to BS from Conservatives...(was there a link following your 'German youth' remark? I didn't even see it IF it was there, that's why you had to quote it in your next post).

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Oh dear your 'science' is awfully 'tunnel-visioned' at times.

Not every kid who believes in AGW actually joined the protests...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-58549373

"A new global survey illustrates the depth of anxiety many young people are feeling about climate change.

Nearly 60% of young people approached said they felt very worried or extremely worried."

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Truth? Blaise Pascal has a handle on it; your monstrous self-satisfied, self-interested  Conservative ideology certainly doesn't.

" What a Chimera is man! What a novelty, a monster, a chaos, a contradiction, a prodigy! Judge of all things, an imbecile worm; depository of truth, and sewer of error and doubt; the glory and refuse of the universe."

You can change from being the refuse to the glory, if  you submit to an international rules-based system guided by the goal of sustainable development and common prosperity. Have a go at visualizing it.

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Irrelevant, as usual.