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Reply #135 - Dec 16^th, 2021 at 10:59am

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2021 at 10:50am:

lee wrote on Dec 15^th, 2021 at 4:56pm:

Nope.

Nations representing 90% of the global economy are, at a minimum, considering signing up to emissions reductions.

That's close enough to global unanimity over concerns re AGW.

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yes. They don't believe.

Not exactly. They are concerned, at a minimum, but unless the scientists can identify the actual date of no return, of course they will prefer to let others pay for the transition.....

Glasgow was the

26th

global climate gabfest and the Chinese stopped attending.

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Reply #136 - Dec 16^th, 2021 at 12:20pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2021 at 10:50am:

That's close enough to global unanimity over concerns re AGW.

Nope. They haven't signed. Whether that is "yet" or merely lip service who knows. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 16^th, 2021 at 10:50am:

Not exactly. They are concerned, at a minimum, but unless the scientists can identify the actual date of no return, of course they will prefer to let others pay for the transition.....

If they were "concerned" they would have already signed and let the matter of finance be settled at a later date. It takes a moment to sign; the Chinese showed that. Grin

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Reply #138 - Dec 17^th, 2021 at 4:52pm

Frank wrote on Dec 16^th, 2021 at 10:59am:

Glasgow was the

26th

global climate gabfest and the Chinese stopped attending.

Interesting to consider why conservatives resist resource mobilization on behalf of a better world.

btw, china sent high level reps to Glasgow. far more capable than Biden.

https://qz.com/2077072/meet-xie-zhenhua-chinas-top-climate-diplomat-at-cop26/
"China’s Xie Zhenhua is the most important person attending COP26"

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Reply #139 - Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 12:16pm

Re building PVs in deserts (eg Sahara, which Lee says isn't viable because of wind storms): note this article in 'Global Times'

"The accelerated photovoltaic projects showed China's firm determination to pursue renewable energy, as it strives to achieve its environmental protection goals across more arid parts of the country, analysts said.

The bases will effectively block the wind and prevent the movement of sand and dunes, as the photovoltaic modules can be laid in high density. Once put into operation, the bases will increase the supply of clean energy, with the efficient use of solar energy resources in the desert areas.

For instance, the Kubuqi Desert in Inner Mongolia enjoys effective sunlight of more than 3,180 hours each year on average. Chinese energy company Elion has built projects, generating power of 1.25 billion kilowatt hours".

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Reply #140 - Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 2:46pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 12:16pm:

The bases will effectively block the wind and prevent the movement of sand and dunes, as the photovoltaic modules can be laid in high density. Once put into operation, the bases will increase the supply of clean energy, with the efficient use of solar energy resources in the desert areas.

What bases will effectively block the wind?

You mean a thick carpet of PV's? Don't walk on the carpet. Don't have a failure in the middle. Maybe they could lay the tiles on artificial turf. Wink

And it "will"? Seeing as it hasn't been built that is rather optimistic.

The Global Times -"The Chinese- and English-language news outlet is published by the ruling Chinese Communist Party's (CCP) paramount mouthpiece, the People's Daily, but it goes much further than China's typically stodgy state news".

oh dear. You are really into the CCP aren't you? Grin

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Reply #141 - Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 3:05pm

lee wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 2:46pm:

What bases will effectively block the wind?

These: " the Kubuqi Desert in Inner Mongolia enjoys effective sunlight of more than 3,180 hours each year on average.
Chinese energy company Elion has built projects, generating power of 1.25 billion kilowatt hours".

Note: HAS built...a carpet of PVs, yes.

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Reply #142 - Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 3:29pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 3:05pm:

These: " the Kubuqi Desert in Inner Mongolia enjoys effective sunlight of more than 3,180 hours each year on average.
Chinese energy company Elion has built projects, generating power of 1.25 billion kilowatt hours".

What did I say about averages? Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 3:05pm:

Note: HAS built...a carpet of PVs, yes.

That is not shown. There are a number of projects totalling 1.25 billion KWh. How many? 30? 50? 150?

You really need to try harder. Wink

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Reply #143 - Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 4:31pm

lee wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 3:29pm:

What did I say about averages?

Still forgetting storage...?

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That is not shown. There are a number of projects totalling 1.25 billion KWh. How many? 30? 50? 150?

Obviously a decent size PV farm - many square klms - will prevent sand-storms.

Meanwhile, the world is moving on:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/are-electric-car-batteries-really-the-new-o...

"Just as petroleum did in the 20th century, battery technology is poised to remake the global economy. The changes will unfold over several decades, will transform almost every aspect of human society, and will present endless investment opportunities. Just as oil did in its day, batteries are making, and will make, a lot of people rich...

Morgan Stanley calls the emerging battery ecosystem a “cross-asset” space, with the potential to transform many areas of the business world. “The emerging battery economy is a story of battery-electric vehicles becoming vastly superior in cost and capability to internal combustion engine cars. Beyond its direct application to electric vehicles and [energy storage systems], the global battery industry sits at the nexus of equity sectors, commodities and public policy.”

...(But I'll bet Morgan Stanley are still invested in fossils, hoping there is no 'climate emergency'....)

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Reply #144 - Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 5:14pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 4:31pm:

Still forgetting storage...?

Storage stores average power? Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 4:31pm:

Obviously a decent size PV farm - many square klms - will prevent sand-storms.

Obvious that you know nothing. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 4:31pm:

"Just as petroleum did in the 20th century, battery technology is poised to remake the global economy. The changes will unfold over several decades, will transform almost every aspect of human society, and will present endless investment opportunities. Just as oil did in its day, batteries are making, and will make, a lot of people rich...

Ah the new improved battery (genesis unknown). Grin

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Reply #145 - Dec 23^rd, 2021 at 12:19pm

lee wrote on Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 5:14pm:

Storage stores average power?

Wrong again. Storage stores previous excess power, regardless whether above or below average.

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Obvious that you know nothing.

That's not debate.

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Ah the new improved battery (genesis unknown).

And neither is that. One thing for sure: Morgan Stanley, like everyone else, will be investing big time in batteries.

So, sleep well tonight, while Yemenis and Afghans starve to death, and Iraqis drown in the English channel, all courtesy of the monstrous, self-interested Conservative geopolitics of your filthy oil economy.

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Reply #146 - Dec 23^rd, 2021 at 4:15pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2021 at 12:19pm:

Wrong again. Storage stores previous excess power, regardless whether above or below average.

But storage doesn't store below average, below required power. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2021 at 12:19pm:

That's not debate.

You are right but it is true. You post quotes that don't advance your theory. That is very evidently not knowing anything about a subject. And then pulled up on it the answer generally is "the IPCC knows". Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2021 at 12:19pm:

And neither is that.

And yet you can't back up your assertion with facts. Another fail by you. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2021 at 12:19pm:

So, sleep well tonight, while Yemenis and Afghans starve to death, and Iraqis drown in the English channel, all courtesy of the monstrous, self-interested Conservative geopolitics of your filthy oil economy.

Like the arch conservatives Xi and Putin. Grin

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Reply #147 - Dec 23^rd, 2021 at 4:52pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2021 at 12:19pm:

So, sleep well tonight, while Yemenis and Afghans starve to death, and Iraqis drown in the English channel, all courtesy of the monstrous, self-interested Conservative geopolitics of your filthy oil economy.

Poor Iraqis, fleeing the evil Macron regime in France.... Cry

And if 39 million Afghans can't be fagged to throttle 75,000 talibs even after 20 years of assistance then they obviously agree with the talibs or they are even worse and even more corrupt and dastardly than them. Either way,, it's the bed they made for themselves. Let the mindless, endless tribal fighting continue.

The Yemenis - how about the Arabs sort themselves out for a change?

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Reply #148 - Dec 24^th, 2021 at 7:27pm

Frank wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2021 at 4:52pm:

[quote author=AusbetterWorld link=1636144153/145#145 date=1640225966]Poor Iraqis, fleeing the evil Macron regime in France....

No, fleeing the ongoing dysfunction in their homeland ever since Bush's illegal invasion.

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And if 39 million Afghans can't be fagged to throttle 75,000 talibs even after 20 years of assistance then they obviously agree with the talibs or they are even worse and even more corrupt and dastardly than them. Either way,, it's the bed they made for themselves. Let the mindless, endless tribal fighting continue.

Er... the Brits started it all in the 19th century, in the geopolitics of empire between Russia and the UK. Then the US infiltrated the entire ME, with the geopolitics of oil.

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The Yemenis - how about the Arabs sort themselves out for a change?

Yemen is a proxy war against Iran, with the Saudi's backed by the old gun-peddler, the US.

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Reply #149 - Dec 24^th, 2021 at 7:54pm

lee wrote on Dec 23^rd, 2021 at 4:15pm:

...below average and below required

'Below average' is not equivalent to "below required". Sufficient storage to cover all circumstances is the point.

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And then pulled up on it the answer generally is "the IPCC knows".

OK, I'll settle on "the IPCC says..."

Happy now? And with both the mainstream Left and Right media on board... you are lost.

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Like the arch conservatives Xi and Putin.

The US has been the global hegemon - the world policeman - since 1990, and is responsible for the oil-based market economy, with its 70 million refugees.

Hopefully in a decade, China will be in a position to reform the UN Security Council.

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