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Nov 6th, 2021 at 6:29am
 
Greta Thunberg slams COP26 ‘failure’ and more ‘blah, blah, blah’ at youth rally 
November 6 2021 New Daily.

Climate campaigner Greta Thunberg has slammed the COP26 summit as a “failure” and “greenwash festival” as thousands of young people took to the streets of Glasgow in protest.   Sad

On the sixth day of the world meeting which has achieved a series of agreements, Greta rejected the gathering of powerful leaders as more “blah, blah, blah” which followed decades of “blah, blah, blah”.

The Swedish activist called for action, including “immediate drastic annual emission cuts unlike anything the world has ever seen” instead of just another talkfest.

“The people in power can continue to live in their bubble filled with their fantasies, like eternal growth on a finite planet and technological solutions that will suddenly appear seemingly out of nowhere and will erase all of these crises just like that,” she told the gathering in George Square.

“All this while the world is literally burning, on fire, and while the people living on the front lines are still bearing the brunt of the climate crisis.”

Ms Thunberg rejected the UN climate change summit as a “two-week long celebration of business as usual and blah, blah, blah”.

“It is not a secret that COP26 is a failure. It should be obvious that we cannot solve a crisis with the same methods that got us into it in the first place and more and more people are starting to realise this,” she told the crowd.

“Many are starting to ask themselves, ‘What will it take for the people in power to wake up?’ But let’s be clear, they are already awake. They know exactly what they are doing.

“COP26 has been named the most exclusionary cop ever. This is no longer a climate conference, this is now a global north greenwash festival.”


Youth climate march at COP26 draws thousands
Thousands of young climate activists, Greta Thunberg among them, marched through Glasgow on Friday demanding action on the climate that will protect their future.

The protest was organised by Fridays for Future Scotland and young people chanted and carried placards before gathering in George Square.

Another speaker included Vanessa Nakate from Uganda who described the real effects of climate change being experienced in her country.

“Historically, Africa is responsible for only 3% of global emissions and yet Africans are suffering some of the most brutal impacts fuelled by the climate crisis.

“But while the global south is on the frontlines of the climate crisis, they’re not on the front pages of the world’s newspapers.”

The show of youth force followed 77 signatories a COP26 pledging to phase out coal but not countries such as Australia, the US, India, and China.

Meanwhile a study has shown carbon dioxide emissions are back on the rise.

The United Nations says a rise above 1.5C will trigger potentially irreversible climate impacts that would dwarf the intensifying storms, heatwaves, droughts and floods that the planet is already experiencing.

Carbon dioxide emissions fell by 5.4 per cent in 2020 as economies ground to a halt.

But a new report by the Global Carbon Project forecasts they will rebound by 4.9 per cent this year.

“We were expecting to see some rebound,” said the report’s lead author Pierre Friedlingstein, a climate modelling researcher at the University of Exeter.

“What surprised us was the intensity and rapidity.”
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Reply #1 - Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:42am
 

She summed it up nicely.

Blah, blah, blah.
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Reply #2 - Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:56am
 
Glasgow was totally predictable, and bloody disgusting. The LNP Net Zero 2050 announcement was vapid. A pathetic attempt to look like they care. I don't vote for Governments, I vote against them, and PEP 11 will seal the deal.
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Reply #3 - Nov 6th, 2021 at 8:54am
 
issuevoter wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 7:56am:
Glasgow was totally predictable, and bloody disgusting. The LNP Net Zero 2050 announcement was vapid. A pathetic attempt to look like they care. I don't vote for Governments, I vote against them, and PEP 11 will seal the deal.


Yep.

It was just one giant wankfest.

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Reply #4 - Nov 6th, 2021 at 9:34am
 
Wanna know what one of the biggest (if not the biggest) contributors to pollution and climate change is?

https://flightaware.com/live/

Zoom in or out to suit.

Wonder how many of these climate change protesters are busy booking their next overseas holidays for when Covid border restrictions are lifted?

Not to mention the hypocrisy of most of these so called leaders (including our own bumbling Scotty from Marketing) flying to and from Glasgow to attend this pointless wankfest.

To sum up... nothing will change, even when it gets to the point where we can't breathe.

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Reply #6 - Nov 6th, 2021 at 10:00pm
 
The ABC journalists have been hammering Morrison for a week, and rightly so in some ways, but I didn't see much about Chinese CO2. So why the omission when China is the worlds biggest polluter? If you didn't know better, and believed the ABC, you'd think Australia's CO2 is greater than China's.
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Reply #7 - Nov 6th, 2021 at 10:09pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 10:00pm:
The ABC journalists have been hammering Morrison for a week, and rightly so in some ways, but I didn't see much about Chinese CO2. So why the omission when China is the worlds biggest polluter? If you didn't know better, and believed the ABC, you'd think Australia's CO2 is greater than China's.


And of course Probyn of the ABC was quick and vocal in his support of "Macaroon" and "ScoMo lied".
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The hoof is showing.


Climate activists demanded an end to capitalism, “black liberation”, and the abolition of police at a demonstration outside the United Nations COP26 summit in Glasgow, Scotland.

Gathering in George Square in central Glasgow on Saturday, an array of climate activists, including those from indigenous communities in South America, Asia, and Africa, came together to denounce Western imperialism and the alleged racism inherent in climate change.

This is not just a crisis of climate or emissions, this is a crisis of justice, of inequality, of poverty, of racism, of classism, of workers’ rights, and women’s rights and every intersection in between,” Stewart explained.

Prior to the demonstration, teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg declared that “climate justice also means social justice and that we leave no one behind. So we’re inviting everyone, especially the workers striking in Glasgow, to join us.”

During her speech, the Swedish activist said that Western nations owe a “historical debt” to the so-called Global South due to the legacy of colonialism.




The climate crisis is a metastasised soviet. It's activists are the vanguard of the proletariat in climate and anti-racism guises.

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Reply #9 - Nov 7th, 2021 at 11:32am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 10:17am:
The climate crisis is a metastasised soviet. It's activists are the vanguard of the proletariat in climate and anti-racism guises.


Unfortunately they - like you -  don't understand the world now has access to the technology that can enable the economy of every nation to be based on free electricity.

Namely,

Solar/wind + pumped -hydro storage + smart grid;

The problem is the private sector's desire for profits based on exploitation of fossils fuels, which is a barrier to the fastest possible rollout of this currently available technology. 

Meanwhile it's estimated $150 trillion is needed to fund the transition from fossils to renewables, but the private sector is conflicted, because the transition means there will be reduced opportunity for private sector profits as the world is progressively powered by free sunshine and wind.   

That's why the public sector - which can be authorized to spend money into existence via their own currency-issuing treasuries and central banks  - will be required to step up to the job, if indeed the climate emergency is real.

Interestingly, Matt Canavan actually defended China today (!) - in an interview with a somewhat surprised Sky News host -who wanted to blame China for the failure of the talks at Glasgow -  by saying "China knows it has to use coal until it can transition to renewables, and is doing everything it can" (to roll out solar/wind while still keeping the lights on for 1.4 billion people).

The Sky News host wasn't expecting that reply.....

And you are reverting to 'soviet' terminology, in an attempt to avoid facing the role that the public sector must play in a timely transition to renewables. (for reasons explained above)

Like the absurdly contradictory  argument from a Shell company rep who yesterday said "Shell needs the cash profits from it's fossil industry to pay for the transition to renewables".


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thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 11:32am:
Solar/wind + pumped -hydro storage + smart grid;



Now give us the engineering that will give that.

Solar and wind are old technologies.

Solar was used to dry grain grasses. Still is in some countries.

Remember the Dutch windmills? They suffered the same failures of wind turbines. Wind is flukey where you can have periods of wind drought.

Pumped hydro storage has its own limitations. You need a suitable place for a dam and you need fall. Without fall there is not enough energy to turn the generators.

Smart grid? It can tell when there is not enough solar and wind and generates its own electricity?
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lee wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 12:42pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 11:32am:
Solar/wind + pumped -hydro storage + smart grid;



Now give us the engineering that will give that.


Australia needs about 55 GW of renewable power to exit the fossil industry.

Are you asking how many solar panels and wind turbines  are required?  And as for pumped-hydro storage, the ANU has identified more than enough suitable sites in Oz (look at the Great Dividing Range for example), as well as the rest of the  world, in fact.   

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Solar and wind are old technologies.


And they are available now. If the climate emergency is real we don't have time to wait for ....CCS (which has cost billions and achieved nothing so far) .....  or even nuclear which would take 15 years before switch-on in Oz.

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Solar was used to dry grain grasses. Still is in some countries.

Remember the Dutch windmills? They suffered the same failures of wind turbines. Wind is flukey where you can have periods of wind drought.


The sun shines for more than half the day in Australia's north (over more than 4000 klms from east to west); and the wind blows f24/7 at least in some land-area location, and more so around the Oz coastline reaching into the roaring 40's. 

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Pumped hydro storage has its own limitations. You need a suitable place for a dam and you need fall. Without fall there is not enough energy to turn the generators.


Addressed above, see the ANU study. 

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Smart grid? It can tell when there is not enough solar and wind and generates its own electricity?


Smart grid refers to nation-wide interconnection between household rooftop solar, solar/wind farms, and pumped hydro dams.   And metering of nation wide electric car battery charging, to enable most efficient use of the grid; EV  batteries can themselves become 'power plants' depending on use at certain times  of the day. etc etc, when the entire fleet is electric. 
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Carl D wrote on Nov 6th, 2021 at 9:34am:
Wanna know what one of the biggest (if not the biggest) contributors to pollution and climate change is?

https://flightaware.com/live/

Zoom in or out to suit.

Wonder how many of these climate change protesters are busy booking their next overseas holidays for when Covid border restrictions are lifted?

Not to mention the hypocrisy of most of these so called leaders (including our own bumbling Scotty from Marketing) flying to and from Glasgow to attend this pointless wankfest.

To sum up... nothing will change, even when it gets to the point where we can't breathe.




thats a bullshit argument. The argument for action on climate change was never a call to return to the caves. It's a call to use alternative sources of energy where possible. It doesn't mean you don't drive a car, it means that if an electric car is suitable as an alternative, you use it.

The same goes for airlines. For now there is no suitable alternative to jet fueled planes. Electric planes are still in the infancy stage. No one is saying not to travel, but you can bet that when a suitable alternative becomes available, the airline industry will be pressured to act and use alternatives to jet fueled planes.
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thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 2:12pm:
Australia needs about 55 GW of renewable power to exit the fossil industry.


Renewables are weather dependent. How many Gigawatt hours is that? That is the energy required.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 2:12pm:
And as for pumped-hydro storage, the ANU has identified more than enough suitable sites in Oz (look at the Great Dividing Range for example), as well as the rest of the  world, in fact.


I don't care about the rest of the world. But ANU has found suitable sites? How much land needs to be drowned to create the lakes? Will it impinge on current households? Where would the Government of the states resettle them?

From ANU -
""Australia needs only a tiny fraction of these sites for pumped hydro storage - about 450 GWh of storage - to support a 100 per cent renewable electricity system," said Professor Blakers from the ANU Research School of Engineering."

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 2:12pm:
And they are available now.


Very good. The reason they were discontinued was because they don't have the energy density required for a modern society. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 2:12pm:
.CCS (which has cost billions and achieved nothing so far) .....  or even nuclear which would take 15 years before switch-on in Oz.


Which is why we need to get rid of green tape.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 2:12pm:
The sun shines for more than half the day in Australia's north (over more than 4000 klms from east to west); and the wind blows f24/7 at least in some land-area location, and more so around the Oz coastline reaching into the roaring 40's. 


Solar panels are only good from about 1000 hours to 1500 hours daily, otherwise they are not effective.

They just had a wind drought over UK and Europe that lasted for more than 7 days.

Then of course they need all that steel, concrete, copper etc for the towers and turbines. More than for stationary plant as each tower needs it.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 2:12pm:
Addressed above, see the ANU study.


Answered above.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7th, 2021 at 2:12pm:
Smart grid refers to nation-wide interconnection between household rooftop solar, solar/wind farms, and pumped hydro dams.   And metering of nation wide electric car battery charging, to enable most efficient use of the grid; EV  batteries can themselves become 'power plants'


So what would the cost be of the interconnection of WA and NT to the rest of the grid?

EV's can become power plants? Yes I have seen that claim. So what happens when you want to use your EV and it has been supplementing the grid and the battery is flat? Roll Eyes
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Reply #14 - Nov 7th, 2021 at 6:02pm
 
If anyone is interested I can summarize what Lee has said here.

Blah blah blah blah.
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