thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2021 at 2:57pm:


I was differentiating between Renewable and Weather Dependent Renewables.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2021 at 2:57pm:



It was your response to NO TAXES, now you want to change what you meant.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2021 at 2:57pm:


We don't? You really are delusional.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2021 at 2:57pm:


And yet it is not touched on by ANU in the paper I looked at. No costings whatsoever. You haven't provided a link to this fabled ANU study. 


thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2021 at 2:57pm:


Nope. They haven't tightened them at all. You really need to read COP26 and see what was agreed.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2021 at 2:57pm:


I never said that either. You really are struggling aren't you.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2021 at 2:57pm:


And yet there is no study to which you can refer says so.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2021 at 2:57pm:


To quote Feynman again - remember physicist?

"It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong."

And you haven't even done one successful experiment yet. Unless of course you look at the failed ones. Venezuela?

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:


You have admitted such a system hasn't been designed, much less tested.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:

And still you believe. That is the realm of religion.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:


From your reference - "The team developed the advanced GIS algorithms to locate prospective sites for off-river pumped hydro across a large land area such as a state or a country."

Wow and algorithm that can identify not just rivers but fall. They don't discuss soil types for these storage ponds in the underlying paper. What could possibly go wrong?

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:


Is that why he ended in tears? Did he tell you that? Assumption based on naive belief. Another clue to religious fervour.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:


And you can't show otherwise. Why is that?

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:


Oh dear a computer study that didn't even look at soil types.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:


Yes. Experiment not make a huge assumption before doing the experiment.

Remember that other one? "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." That means no appeal to authority. Make sure any experiment can be replicated. That is a big problem in science at the moment.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:


It is textbook.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 12^th, 2021 at 12:23pm:

Is that all he bemoans?

"First, the source of useful, well-compensated work is unclear. While MMT suggests taxes can be used to direct production, government influence over businesses that create jobs is limited. The impact of labour-reducing technology and competitive global supply chains is glossed over. Getting one person to dig a hole and another to fill it in creates employment, but it is of doubtful economic and social value. The woeful record of postwar centrally planned economies, where people pretended to work and the government pretended to pay them, highlights the issues."

lee wrote on Dec 12^th, 2021 at 9:44pm:


The testing will occur when Snowy is completed.


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No, rather empiricism, because the monetarist status quo isn't working.

You are the ISIS theologian in this debate. 

Note: resource development and allocation, not money, is the true concern of economics.

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You have a low estimation of research and engineering, and technology development.

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The ink was only just dry on "phase out coal", when India forced a change of text to "phase down coal", hence Sharma's tears. He didn't understand India would require massive assistance to 'phase out' coal.  Assistance which the first world  is not interested in giving, owing to the 'debt' delusion of orthodox economics. 

Note: resource development and allocation, not money, is the true concern of economics.

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Common sense ie  backup.....never mind; common sense isn't all that common. 

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The point is half a million sites are available for further study.

I am just about ready to cease dragging you - kicking and screaming - into the new renwables-based, circular economy of the 21st century. 

(It's likely to be as fruitless as dragging an ISIS theologian toward a non-fundamentalist reading of the Koran...)

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What assumption? The massive global debt is real after covid, and has to be dealt with. It's time to write-off much of it.  Experiment.

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AGW science maybe, though the largest tornado in history in the US is convincing more and more even among the non-experts.

Meanwhile the biggest government debts in history, as a result of a global pandemic, are REAL. 

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....the obsolete mainstream textbook, that is.

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Hats off to you for reading the article, I wondered if you would read it.

Next step: educate yourself, so that you don't make the same mistakes as Das who prefers to stick with his classical orthodox education, in the face of its obvious shortcomings.  

eg "Getting one person to dig a hole and another to fill it in creates employment, but it is of doubtful economic and social value".. No understaning at all

eg,   local council-organised-assistance for home maintenance for the elderly, when spare labor is available   (ie always, because  some people always have difficulty finding a regular job) has definite social and economic value.

Anyway here's a start:

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/mmt-overcoming-the-political-div...

Everything You Thought You Knew About Economics May Be Wrong.

and Bill Mitchell's blog:

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/

The latest article:

"Central banks are resisting the inflation panic hype from the financial markets – and we are better off as a result"

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 10:23pm:


Why the wait? There are plenty of solar and wind options to test against.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 10:23pm:


How can it be empiricism when it has never been done?

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 10:23pm:


Nope. I went to the paper. They don't mention any of their algorithm. Computer features are not engineering. Engineering can be modelled because they know stresses etc. but not for something that has never been built.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 10:23pm:


Oh dear. Too funny.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 10:23pm:


That you have shown multiple times.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 10:23pm:


Wow. that's deep. They couldn't look at a topographical map for that?

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 10:23pm:


Ah yes Circular. No need to pay evah just keep printing money.


Keep spinning petal  But tell us more about how EVERYONE has signed up to Net Zero..

"Forty-five countries, including major emitters such as China and the U.S., have net-zero goals reflected in policy documents, and almost 80 are considering targets."

New maths isn't it 45 have + 80 may do = 193 odd have.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 14^th, 2021 at 9:42pm:


So empricism comes after theory and experiment.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 14^th, 2021 at 9:42pm:


Nope. Theory, experiment  Did the experiment work. If not - new theory.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 14^th, 2021 at 9:42pm:


That is not identified in the paper. Don't make schist up.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 14^th, 2021 at 9:42pm:


And yet Solar panels are not 100% recyclable and wind turbines even less.

thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 14^th, 2021 at 9:42pm:


Nope maths is not your strong suit is it? 45 have made a commitment.

lee wrote on Dec 14^th, 2021 at 10:04pm:


Exactly. meanwhile Bolsanaro's claim his government was broke - meaning citizens faced a choice between starving at home in a lock-down, or going back to work and dying of covid, is absurd in theory and practice. Sovereign currency- issuing government need never "run out of money" (The MMT revelation)   

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"The team developed the advanced GIS algorithms to locate prospective sites for off-river pumped hydro across a large land area such as a state or a country. Each identified site comprises an upper and lower reservoir pair plus a hypothetical tunnel route between the reservoirs, and includes data such as latitude, longitude, altitude, head (the minimum altitude difference between potential upper and lower reservoirs in the data set - a larger head is generally better), slope, water volume, water area, rock volume, dam wall length, water/rock ratio, energy storage potential and approximate relative cost (categories A-E)."

So.... much more than just local topography.

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More research required to achieve the 100% circular economy- publicly funded because the private sector needs profits from investment - but nevertheless waste minimization close to 100% is essential in the long term. 

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125 (no doubt totaling more than 90% of the global economy) are, at a minimum,  considering emissions reductions. Why is that?

lee wrote on Dec 15^th, 2021 at 12:32pm:
 

free for the currency-issuing government, which need never run out of money; but not free for you and me, unfortunately...

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As they noted, only 1% of all those sites is necessary for 100% renewable economy. 

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Because governments think they can't "afford" the R&D... which the private sector doesn't want to do.

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I thought I said everyone was signed up, or considering signing up. Why would the laggards be even considering signing up?

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well..there's your answer.

lee wrote on Dec 15^th, 2021 at 4:56pm:


Nations representing 90% of the global economy are, at a minimum,  considering signing up to emissions reductions. 

That's close enough to global unanimity over concerns re AGW.

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Not exactly. They are concerned, at a minimum, but unless the scientists can identify the actual date of no return, of course they will prefer to let others pay for the transition.....