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Reply #60 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:11pm

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:53pm:

He interpreted as being the opposite of what it was saying.

The article clearly states that 36 of 49 DIED.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 11:21am:

lee wrote Yesterday at 4:18pm:
"has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated"

Yes it also stated that: Quote:

All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

We are talking about an environment where almost all patients are double vaccinated so almost all cases are break through cases, mostly elderly vulnerable people with other serious medical issues and likely compromised immune systems.

The number while true is virtually meaningless.

Its a bit over 75% who died were double vaxed and in palliative care or had other serious health issues.
The patients not double vaxed were most likely due to having conditions that prevented them being vaxed.

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Reply #61 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:13pm

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:58pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:53pm:

He interpreted as being the opposite of what it was saying.

The article clearly states that 36 of 49 DIED.

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 11:21am:

lee wrote Yesterday at 4:18pm:
"has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated"

It seems pretty clear that 49 died.

"49 aged care residents that died".

Unless there are only 49 aged care residents in NSW, which would seem very unlikely.

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Reply #62 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:02pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:56pm:

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That leaves 13 survived.

No. They died also.

That's a strange measure of success, don't you think?

Everyone who's been vaccinated, and everyone who catches the virus, will die.

Yes But I would like it to be 50 + years later.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19161 Gender:	Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED! Reply #63 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:18pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:11pm: Its a bit over 45% lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 5:35pm: Over 90 M/F - 50/35.3 80-89 M/F - 34/24 70-79 (mislabeled) M/F - 10/6 https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-1
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51213 At my desk.	Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED! Reply #64 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:20pm Lee would you like to have another crack at being wrong in creative ways?
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Reply #65 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:21pm

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:11pm:

Its a bit over 45%

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 5:35pm:

Over 90 M/F - 50/35.3
80-89 M/F - 34/24
70-79 (mislabeled) M/F - 10/6

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-1

45 was a typo - meant 75 but I now see where you got your number as meaningless as it is.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77732 Gender:	Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED! Reply #66 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:23pm lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:58pm: The article clearly states that 36 of 49 DIED. No it doesn't. It says that 49 died.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19161 Gender:	Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED! Reply #67 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:24pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:13pm: It seems pretty clear that 49 died. Yes but 36 or about 73 % were double vaxxed. They shouldn't have been susceptible. After all they were vaccinated.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77732 Gender:	Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED! Reply #68 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:26pm lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:24pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:13pm: It seems pretty clear that 49 died. Yes but 36 or about 73 % were double vaxxed. They shouldn't have been susceptible. After all they were vaccinated. says who?
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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 60142 Here Gender:	Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED! Reply #69 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:28pm The funniest thing here is that the antivaxxers were claiming that everyone who died of anything were counted in the Covid stats. Now here we see the point is about elderly people in palliative care and elderly with underlying conditions. The same guys who held the opinion of they are old let them die.
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Reply #70 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:30pm

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:13pm:

It seems pretty clear that 49 died.

Yes but 36 or about 73 % were double vaxxed. They shouldn't have been susceptible. After all they were vaccinated.

I've never seen anyone claim that being vaccinated will stop you from either catching or spreading the virus.

So, not sure what you're talking about there.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19161 Gender:	Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED! Reply #71 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:32pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:30pm: I've never seen anyone claim that being vaccinated will stop you from either catching or spreading the virus. That's what vaccinations are supposed to do. Like smallpox vax. lasts 3-5 years. Here the covid vax couldn't last months.
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Reply #72 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:33pm

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:13pm:

It seems pretty clear that 49 died.

Yes but 36 or about 73 % were double vaxxed. They shouldn't have been susceptible. After all they were vaccinated.

Being immunosuppressed undermines the vaccine. First dose give someone in this condition about 3% protection and the second shot raises this to 7% protection.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19161 Gender:	Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED! Reply #73 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:33pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:28pm: Now here we see the point is about elderly people in palliative care and elderly with underlying conditions. And vaxxed.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19161 Gender:	Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED! Reply #74 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:35pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:33pm: Being immunosuppressed undermines the vaccine. And how many illnesses are immunosuppressed? We know about 50%. Why then larger numbers from vaxxed?
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