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Re: the Great Chinese Famine
Reply #150 - Jun 12^th, 2022 at 5:15pm

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freediver wrote on Jun 12^th, 2022 at 2:42pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 12^th, 2022 at 2:39pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 12^th, 2022 at 11:19am:

Not clicking on that link. Guess it is a clumsy attempt to cover up the 50m deaths from famine caused by the CCP?

No, the faulty policy enacted 6 decades ago, when China was home to the largest and poorest population on the planet, has no relevance to today when China has the largest middle-income-status population in the world.

The CCP's tendency to kill millions of people with it's

lies

and

incompetence

is still relevant, because they are still doing it.

The Chinese people were not starving to death by the millions until the CCP decided to make it their job to feed them all equally.

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Re: the Great Chinese Famine
Reply #151 - Jun 12^th, 2022 at 5:15pm

freediver wrote on Jun 12^th, 2022 at 4:12pm:

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Obvious nonsense, the CCP are saving lives with their strict covid policy

From one

incompetent

extreme to the other.

If the current strict policy is saving lives, how many lives did the policy of denial, lies and jailing journalists during the crucial period of the initial outbreak cost?

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It is of course the job of any competent government to ensure equal access to good food, but feeding the largest poorest population on the planet (in 1960) presented particular difficulties.

The Chinese people were doing fine until the CCP came along and made the job seem difficult. It's funny how people have been feeding themselves for millennia without a government to do it for them.

Are you suggesting the CCP was

incompetent

in letting 50 million of it's citizens starve to death as the result of lying to itself?

How much you getting for each use of the word?

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Re: the Great Chinese Famine
Reply #152 - Jun 13^th, 2022 at 2:09pm

freediver wrote on Jun 12^th, 2022 at 4:12pm:

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Obvious nonsense, the CCP are saving lives with their strict covid policy

From one incompetent extreme to the other.

If the current strict policy is saving lives, how many lives did the policy of denial, lies and jailing journalists during the crucial period of the initial outbreak cost?

Well, the doctor who asked his colleagues to remain quiet until he had more details on the nature of the new virus, was exonerated within 2 months by the CCCP

So tell us, how many lives were lost due to "denial".

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The Chinese people were doing fine until the CCP came along and made the job seem difficult.

Trust a comfortable conservative to make such a ridiculous, ignorant comment.
British instigated Opium Wars, invasion by Japan, the worst poverty on the planet, resulting in a civil war...which the reptilian-brain-driven self-interested goons lost...

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It's funny how people have been feeding themselves for millennia without a government to do it for them.

Er... China was ruled by emperors for 2000 years...

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Are you suggesting the CCP was incompetent in letting 50 million of it's citizens starve to death as the result of lying to itself?

Rather, the result of not understanding the issues in establishing collective well-being in a poverty-stricken subsistence agricultural economy.

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Reply #153 - Jun 13^th, 2022 at 2:33pm

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Well, the doctor who asked his colleagues to remain quiet until he had more details on the nature of the new virus, was exonerated within 2 months by the CCCP

LOL. This is how you excuse the CCP jailing journalists and denying the virus's existence while it spread throughout the community?

Are you denying that the CCP helped the virus spread by covering up the initial outbreak?

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Trust a comfortable conservative to make such a ridiculous, ignorant comment.
British instigated Opium Wars, invasion by Japan, the worst poverty on the planet, resulting in a civil war...which the reptilian-brain-driven self-interested goons lost...

But it took the CCP to starve 50 million of them to death by trying to help them. How many millions died due to the "worst poverty on the planet" prior to the CCP?

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Rather, the result of not understanding the issues in establishing collective well-being in a poverty-stricken subsistence agricultural economy.

So the CCP were not incompetent, they just did not understand what they were doing, resulting in 50 million people starving to death?

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random Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2637 Gender:	Re: the Great Chinese Famine Reply #154 - Jun 13^th, 2022 at 2:57pm freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 2:33pm: [quote] So the CCP were not incompetent, they just did not understand what they were doing, resulting in 50 million people starving to death?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52101 At my desk.	Re: the Great Chinese Famine Reply #155 - Jun 13^th, 2022 at 3:08pm Are you agreeing with me random, or just playing the dribbling fool?
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Reply #156 - Jun 13^th, 2022 at 3:25pm

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 3:08pm:

Are you agreeing with me random, or just playing the dribbling fool?

Nuh, give me something to agree with and I will. Bullshite doesn't rate.

The golf clap was for yet another post with

INCOMPETENT

in it.

Is it a good earner? You know, shafting the Chinese for the Right Wing Faarkwits?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52101 At my desk.	Re: the Great Chinese Famine Reply #157 - Jun 13^th, 2022 at 3:40pm Do you think the CCP was incompetent in starving 50 million of it's citizens to death by trying to feed them?
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Re: the Great Chinese Famine
Reply #158 - Jun 13^th, 2022 at 4:44pm

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 2:33pm:

LOL. This is how you excuse the CCP jailing journalists and denying the virus's existence while it spread throughout the community?

The journalists picked up on what the doctor had not yet determined, naturally the CCP was not pleased.
So how many journalists were jailed, in the two months before the doctor was exonerated by the CCP?

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Are you denying that the CCP helped the virus spread by covering up the initial outbreak?

Addressed above; how many lives could have been saved if the doctor had kept quiet until he was certain about the new disease, is unclear. Covid was already circulating overseas.

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But it took the CCP to starve 50 million of them to death by trying to help them. How many millions died due to the "worst poverty on the planet" prior to the CCP?

Er ....with a poverty-induced life expectancy of less than 35 years in China, 1900 - 1950, there's your figure. After 1950, life expectancy rose steadily to 44 years, with a pause c. 1960 (due to the CCP famine), then resumed its rise until today when it has surpassed the US for the first time (partly due to 1 million covid deaths in the US).

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1041350/life-expectancy-china-all-time/

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So the CCP were not incompetent, they just did not understand what they were doing, resulting in 50 million people starving to death?

Word games. They were incompetent because there was no set of rules to follow, to lift the vast population out of poverty.

Meanwhile, "Marxist" China has increased per capita GDP for over a billion people, since 1980, by 50 times.
($200 times 50 = $10,000).

India, with its market democracy and same population, 10 times. ($200 times 10 = $2000).

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Re: the Great Chinese Famine
Reply #159 - Jun 13^th, 2022 at 5:05pm

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The journalists picked up on what the doctor had not yet determined, naturally the CCP was not pleased.
So how many journalists were jailed, in the two months before the doctor was exonerated by the CCP?

The CCP can give itself a million gold stars for it's handling of the virus outbreak. That doesn't change the fact that it tried to cover it up, and in doing so probably condemned millions of innocent people to death.

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Addressed above

You deflected. Let's try again. Do you deny that the CCP helped the virus spread by covering up the initial outbreak?

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Er ....with a poverty-induced life expectancy of less than 35 years in China, 1900 - 1950, there's your figure.

How many of them starved to death?

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They were incompetent because there was no set of rules to follow, to lift the vast population out of poverty.

Have they since developed any rules about not killing millions of people with incompetence?

Can you name any other non-communist nation on earth, from any time in history, that starved 50 million people to death by actually trying to feed them?

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Meanwhile, "Marxist" China has increased per capita GDP for over a billion people, since 1980, by 50 times.

Are you slow or something? Why do you keep parroting this nonsense? 50 times nothing is still nothing. You are like a teenager bragging about his income going up 1000000% when he gets his first job. Except instead of giving birth to them, the CCP merely refrained from starving them to death with lies and incompetence.

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Reply #161 - Jun 13^th, 2022 at 5:56pm

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 5:05pm:

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The journalists picked up on what the doctor had not yet determined, naturally the CCP was not pleased.
So how many journalists were jailed, in the two months before the doctor was exonerated by the CCP?

The CCP can give itself a million gold stars for it's handling of the virus outbreak. That doesn't change the fact that it tried to cover it up, and in doing so probably condemned millions of innocent people to death.

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Addressed above

You deflected. Let's try again. Do you deny that the CCP helped the virus spread by covering up the initial outbreak?

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Er ....with a poverty-induced life expectancy of less than 35 years in China, 1900 - 1950, there's your figure.

How many of them starved to death?

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They were incompetent because there was no set of rules to follow, to lift the vast population out of poverty.

Have they since developed any rules about not killing millions of people with incompetence?

Can you name any other non-communist nation on earth, from any time in history, that starved 50 million people to death by actually trying to feed them?

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Meanwhile, "Marxist" China has increased per capita GDP for over a billion people, since 1980, by 50 times.

Are you slow or something? Why do you keep parroting this nonsense? 50 times nothing is still nothing. You are like a teenager bragging about his income going up 1000000% when he gets his first job. Except instead of giving birth to them, the CCP merely refrained from starving them to death with lies and incompetence.

Both of you need to understand that no one reads those multi-quote posts, scan right by them.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52101 At my desk.	Re: the Great Chinese Famine Reply #162 - Jun 13^th, 2022 at 7:16pm random wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 5:52pm: freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 3:40pm: Do you think the CCP was incompetent in starving 50 million of it's citizens to death by trying to feed them? golf clap If you answer, I will stop asking.
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Reply #163 - Jun 13^th, 2022 at 7:37pm

freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 5:05pm:

The CCP can give itself a million gold stars for it's handling of the virus outbreak. That doesn't change the fact that it tried to cover it up, and in doing so probably condemned millions of innocent people to death.

This cuts to the core of why the CCP reacted with the fury it did when the Australian government called for an independent inquiry.

If the Australian government had called for an inquiry, that wouldn't have been a problem.

However, the Australian government called for an independent inquiry.

There is no independence from the CCP in China; not the media nor the judiciary nor any commission of inquiry where the CCP does not have complete control.

This fact is clearly an Achilles heel with the CCP, as evidenced by its actions in response to Australia's request.

The CCP instructs the judiciary of the outcome of any case it sees fit, making judges and other officers of the court no less than prostitutes and no more than bouncers at a brothel.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Online Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 14839 Gender:	Re: the Great Chinese Famine Reply #164 - Jun 14^th, 2022 at 3:36pm freediver wrote on Jun 13^th, 2022 at 7:16pm: If you answer, I will stop asking. Already done: incompetence in 1960. Whereas since 1990 the CCP has overseen the fastest increase in living standards of any large nation in history. Put that in your pipe and smoke it...
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