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Re: Bullet holes in aircraft
Reply #15 - Sep 13^th, 2021 at 1:01pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 12:56pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 9:47am:

The mathematicians background is irrelevant to the discussion.

Yes it is.

But not the logic and reasoning ability, which the individual [Abraham Wald, a Jewish person] exhibited.

Then celebrate that, and ignore him being Jewish.

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Re: Bullet holes in aircraft
Reply #16 - Sep 13^th, 2021 at 1:13pm

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 1:01pm:

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 12:56pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 9:47am:

The mathematicians background is irrelevant to the discussion.

Yes it is.

But not the logic and reasoning ability, which the individual [Abraham Wald, a Jewish person] exhibited.

Then celebrate that, and ignore him being Jewish.

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 12:13pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 9:49am:

Rant then, who cares.

The point is what does the guys Jewishness have to do with the survivorship bias post.

It wasn't a 'rant'.

......in fact, i was 'making light', of the cleverness of many Jewish people.

WWW search....

making light, means

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John Dillermand Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191 Gender:	Re: Bullet holes in aircraft Reply #17 - Sep 13^th, 2021 at 1:56pm Are they more or less clever than other people? I would not have thought so.
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Re: Bullet holes in aircraft
Reply #18 - Sep 13^th, 2021 at 7:53pm

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 1:56pm:

1/ Are they more or less clever than other people?

2/ I would not have thought so.

1/ Indubitably, more. [the short answer. the long answer, is below]

2/ I thought that you, would have thought so.

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[the long answer]

Any Jewish person who loves and fears his God, is a lot, lot cleverer,
than any person [including another Jewish person] who is an atheist.

I believe it.

And it is true.
....empirically so, too.

empirical = = based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1614849780/6#6
Quote:

List of Jewish Nobel laureates

"Jews have won more than 20 per cent of the 850-plus prizes awarded,
despite making up just 0.2 per cent of world’s population."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

Jews 20% of all Nobel prizes

ringo,

Is that clever enough for you ?

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'But why is it so ?'

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Because covenant people*** are clever. [***those who love and fear the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob]

And covenant breakers are, ....dumb, dumb, dumb !!

Deuteronomy 4:5
Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?
8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

Numbers 6:22
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
23 Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,
24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.
27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Deuteronomy 30:16
In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 41827 Gender:	Re: Bullet holes in aircraft Reply #19 - Sep 13^th, 2021 at 8:06pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2021 at 8:34pm: Very clever - thanks. I thought so too. Needs a reversal of the 'natural' thinking
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John Dillermand

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Re: Bullet holes in aircraft
Reply #20 - Sep 14^th, 2021 at 9:07am

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 7:53pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 1:56pm:

1/ Are they more or less clever than other people?

2/ I would not have thought so.

1/ Indubitably, more. [the short answer. the long answer, is below]

2/ I thought that you, would have thought so.

.

[the long answer]

Any Jewish person who loves and fears his God, is a lot, lot cleverer,
than any person [including another Jewish person] who is an atheist.

I believe it.

And it is true.
....empirically so, too.

empirical = = based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1614849780/6#6
Quote:

List of Jewish Nobel laureates

"Jews have won more than 20 per cent of the 850-plus prizes awarded,
despite making up just 0.2 per cent of world’s population."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

Jews 20% of all Nobel prizes

ringo,

Is that clever enough for you ?

.

[**]
'But why is it so ?'

------ >

Because covenant people*** are clever. [***those who love and fear the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob]

And covenant breakers are, ....dumb, dumb, dumb !!

Deuteronomy 4:5
Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?
8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

Numbers 6:22
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
23 Speak unto Aaron and unto his sons, saying, On this wise ye shall bless the children of Israel, saying unto them,
24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.
27 And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them.

Deuteronomy 30:16
In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

My point is are they naturally more intelligent or is there some structural bias that promotes "cleverness" or "intellectual success"

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Re: Bullet holes in aircraft
Reply #21 - Sep 14^th, 2021 at 10:54am

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 14^th, 2021 at 9:07am:

My point is are they naturally more intelligent or is there some structural bias that promotes "cleverness" or "intellectual success"

ringo,

I refer you back to the OP,
and to the information presented in that image.

i.e.
1/ What did the [NON-JEWISH] 'military brains' want to do to their surviving aircraft,
when they were presented with the information, which was presented to them, in that image ?

2/ What did the Jewish person suggest, to do to 'allied' aircraft,
when HE was presented with THE SAME information, which was presented in that image ?

Who had the 'normal' intelligent quota [was it the average military, materiel development advisor, of the day] ?

And who was the smart individual ?

Come on tell us ringo, why was Abraham Wald 'cleverer' than his 'contemporaries' ?

Or is your argument, that Abraham Wald was NOT at all, 'cleverer' ?

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'All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.'
- Arthur Schopenhauer

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Come on, tell us ringo, who ARE the cleverer' people ?

Why do you continue to resist, empirical proof on this subject ?

What is it, which makes you such a PREJUDICED person, on this subject ?
[n.b. a prejudiced person, ignores, or tries to ignore, what is true. ....usually, out of selfish/self interested reasons.]

What is your excuse ?

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1614849780/6#6
Quote:

List of Jewish Nobel laureates

"Jews have won more than 20 per cent of the 850-plus prizes awarded,
despite making up just 0.2 per cent of world’s population."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates

Jews 20% of all Nobel prizes

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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John Dillermand Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191 Gender:	Re: Bullet holes in aircraft Reply #22 - Sep 14^th, 2021 at 11:14am No my argument besides your poor anecdote which essentially shows survivor bias on its own, is that Jewish people are no more or less clever then anyone else. E.g. do I need to explain structural bias?
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