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Aug 8^th, 2021 at 1:52pm

i thought it was one of the principles of a good vaccine that it not only stopped you getting sick (which these vaccines do ) but it also stopped you getting infected (which these vaccines dont).

with literally 100's of millions of vaccinated people now going to catch covid , doesnt that pose a HUGE risk that , just like the delta became dominant, vaccines resistant covid will become dominant.

is that not the case ??

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Vaccine Escape Reply #1 - Aug 8^th, 2021 at 2:04pm aquascoot wrote on Aug 8^th, 2021 at 1:52pm: i thought it was one of the principles of a good vaccine that it not only stopped you getting sick (which these vaccines do ) but it also stopped you getting infected (which these vaccines dont). you thought wrong
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Reply #2 - Aug 8^th, 2021 at 2:09pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 8^th, 2021 at 1:52pm:

i thought it was one of the principles of a good vaccine that it not only stopped you getting sick (which these vaccines do ) but it also stopped you getting infected (which these vaccines dont).

with literally 100's of millions of vaccinated people now going to catch covid , doesnt that pose a HUGE risk that , just like the delta became dominant, vaccines resistant covid will become dominant.

is that not the case ??

The new Delta variant is already more resistant to all the vaccines.
That's why we'll need a special booster next year.
I wish we could get it now but the vaccine
manufacturers can't keep up with the mutant strains.

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Reply #3 - Aug 8^th, 2021 at 2:12pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 8^th, 2021 at 1:52pm:

i thought it was one of the principles of a good vaccine that it not only stopped you getting sick (which these vaccines do ) but it also stopped you getting infected (which these vaccines dont).

with literally 100's of millions of vaccinated people now going to catch covid , doesnt that pose a HUGE risk that , just like the delta became dominant, vaccines resistant covid will become dominant.

is that not the case ??

The vaccines target the spike protein, not the virus itself. They create an immune response where the spikes are rejected from entering your cells.

As I understand it, the successive covid19 strains have been successful at multiplying quicker, but they still use the same mechanism for entering our cells - the spikes of the crown.

There's a limit as to how fast a virus can replicate, based on factors like heat, light, UV, etc. Influenza, for example, doesn't like hot weather so much.

So no, once we've trained our immune systems to resist (the good old "evolutionary blowtorch"), we're on the way.

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Reply #4 - Aug 8^th, 2021 at 2:21pm

The WHO are urging a stop to booster shots until other countries that have been lagged behind are administered with initial vaccines so they can catch up to countries already administered with c-vaccines.

This imbalance won’t help matters that some countries are with, and some are without. It’s such a favouritism game!

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-calls-moratorium...

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Reply #5 - Aug 8^th, 2021 at 2:29pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 8^th, 2021 at 2:09pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 8^th, 2021 at 1:52pm:

i thought it was one of the principles of a good vaccine that it not only stopped you getting sick (which these vaccines do ) but it also stopped you getting infected (which these vaccines dont).

with literally 100's of millions of vaccinated people now going to catch covid , doesnt that pose a HUGE risk that , just like the delta became dominant, vaccines resistant covid will become dominant.

is that not the case ??

The new Delta variant is already more resistant to all the vaccines.
That's why we'll need a special booster next year.
I wish we could get it now but the vaccine
manufacturers can't keep up with the mutant strains.

It's not more resistant to vaccines, the virus is just procreating quicker to get past your cells' resistance.

The booster shots are a safe way to remind your body to keep producing resistance - the "evolutionary blowtorch".

The alternative is to catch covid - that works too. Problem is, you might get sicker than getting a vaccine.

This is a war between covid19 and our cells. Think of it as Hannibal crossing the Pyrenees in the Second Punic war. Hannibal's troops made it over the Alps and the river Rhone, but was counter-attacked by the forces of Scipio, and eventually defeated at the Battle of Zama.

The Noble Man is no match for a superior plan of defence.

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Reply #6 - Aug 8^th, 2021 at 2:45pm

Sophia wrote on Aug 8^th, 2021 at 2:21pm:

The WHO are urging a stop to booster shots until other countries that have been lagged behind are administered with initial vaccines so they can catch up to countries already administered with c-vaccines.

This imbalance won’t help matters that some countries are with, and some are without. It’s such a favouritism game!

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-calls-moratorium...

True. Scipio counter-attacked Hannibal's forces in North Africa, forcing Hannibal's return.

Covid is a global war. It involves the human race. The quicker our species develops an immune response, the more likely we are to stop counter-attacks through the virus' creation of new variants.

Yes, we need great generals and leaders, but we're all foot soldiers in the war. Pointless to put all your defences into the Pyrenees when an army can just sail around the Iberian peninsular and attack you elsewhere.

Wherever there's weakness, the virus can attack and spread. One infected limo driver in Sydney introduced covid to nearly an entire continent.

We need to vaccinate the world.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 149075 Gender:	Re: Vaccine Escape Reply #7 - Aug 8^th, 2021 at 3:10pm Sophia wrote on Aug 8^th, 2021 at 2:21pm: The WHO are urging a stop to booster shots until other countries that have been lagged behind are administered with initial vaccines so they can catch up to countries already administered with c-vaccines. Looks like The WHO won't get fooled again.
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Reply #8 - Aug 8^th, 2021 at 4:00pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 8^th, 2021 at 1:52pm:

i thought it was one of the principles of a good vaccine that it not only stopped you getting sick (which these vaccines do ) but it also stopped you getting infected (which these vaccines dont).

with literally 100's of millions of vaccinated people now going to catch covid , doesnt that pose a HUGE risk that , just like the delta became dominant, vaccines resistant covid will become dominant.

is that not the case ??

This is not correct the Vaccines do prevent people from getting infected the break through percentage is low.

What this statement does highlight is the real issue with people not being vaccinated. If ideally everyone was vaccinated the virus would have no air there would be too few people getting it for it to survive which means that the variants stop.

It is all the idiots which mean that the virus continues to be a threat to everyone. There will always be enough people for the virus to propagate and modify into new forms.

Remember when we originally believed that children were not impacted much. Now there is a US state where children make up 20% of hospital patients. That is how the new variants work they are successful by finding a new vulnerable market.

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Reply #9 - Aug 8^th, 2021 at 4:09pm

FD wrote on Aug 8^th, 2021 at 2:45pm:

Sophia wrote on Aug 8^th, 2021 at 2:21pm:

The WHO are urging a stop to booster shots until other countries that have been lagged behind are administered with initial vaccines so they can catch up to countries already administered with c-vaccines.

This imbalance won’t help matters that some countries are with, and some are without. It’s such a favouritism game!

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/who-calls-moratorium...

True. Scipio counter-attacked Hannibal's forces in North Africa, forcing Hannibal's return.

Covid is a global war. It involves the human race. The quicker our species develops an immune response, the more likely we are to stop counter-attacks through the virus' creation of new variants.

Yes, we need great generals and leaders, but we're all foot soldiers in the war. Pointless to put all your defences into the Pyrenees when an army can just sail around the Iberian peninsular and attack you elsewhere.

Wherever there's weakness, the virus can attack and spread. One infected limo driver in Sydney introduced covid to nearly an entire continent.

We need to vaccinate the world.

Yeah…. We are only as strong as our weakest link.

I decided to look at some approximate stats when the Spanish flu went rampant in 1918.

World Population was 1.8 billion
Flu infections were 500 million.
Deaths were 50 million.
It lasted 2 years (started 1918: ended 1920).
It had 4 successive waves.

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