And here we have the reason that batteries  are not a good idea on such a large scale....where are the environazis now?

Belgarion wrote on Jul 31^st, 2021 at 12:52pm:



Using that logic, here is a reason why coal generators are not a good idea large scale  ...

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/may/26/coal-fired-power-plant-th...

caused a blackout across almost half the state ... how much of SA lost it's power supply due to the battery fire?

Ayn Marx wrote on Jul 31^st, 2021 at 1:21pm:


Your faith in so-called 'renewables' is disturbing.....Nuclear is the only viable option.

lee wrote on Jul 31^st, 2021 at 2:49pm:

Isn’t that obvious? My central point however was simply that technology advances and evolves.

Ayn Marx wrote on Jul 31^st, 2021 at 3:00pm:


Actually it is. Australian Greens, Germany Greens,

Germany's Energiewende is in disarray. It has reopened coal  plant.

"Despite Climate Concerns, Germany Bulldozes Land To Expand Coal Mines"

"Ten years ago, Germany promised to phase out nuclear power. And Chancellor Angela Merkel got the nickname the climate chancellor. But Germany is the largest miner of lignite coal, one of the dirtiest and cheapest fossil fuels. It's responsible for a fifth of Germany's carbon emissions. And as NPR's Rob Schmitz found out, old villages are still being bulldozed to make way for expanding coal mines."

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/29/1011201118/despite-climate-concerns-germany-bulld...

"Coal plants and nuclear reactors shut down while energy demand expected to rise after Covid restrictions"

"Great Britain faces its greatest risk of blackouts for six years this winter as old coal plants and nuclear reactors shut down and energy demand rises as the economy emerges from Covid-19 restrictions."

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/22/great-britain-faces-risk-of-win...

People aren't willing to spend when there is very heavy liability of environmental and greens opposition.

lee wrote on Jul 31^st, 2021 at 3:41pm:


We must remember that 'renewables' is a marketing term, not a scientific or engineering one.

Same thing happened in China when the regime stole the technology, to make Tesla ripoffs... Many of the ripoff cars literally burst into flames while being driven on the road.

lee wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2021 at 12:08pm:

Speaking of wheels do you know anything about the reliability of the first automobiles?

Belgarion wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2021 at 10:24am:


It took 150 firefighters and more than 30 firetrucks to bring it under control.

https://news.cfa.vic.gov.au/firefighters-bring-large-battery-fire-near-geelong-u...

If i was going to buy a Tesla battery i would locate it away from anything i don't want burnt down somehwere easy for fire crews to access.

Speaking of BIG batteries ... bloody French again!!!

Regulator sues Tesla Big Battery in Federal Court over power grid promises

Australia’s Tesla Big Battery, one of the world’s biggest lithium-ion batteries, is facing legal action amid allegations it failed to deliver on its promise of providing services essential to maintaining the stability of the power grid.

The Australian Energy Regulator has filed Federal Court proceedings against the Tesla Big Battery, known as the Hornsdale Power Reserve, which is

owned and operated by French renewable energy giant Neoen.

Tesla’s ‘big battery’ in Hornsdale, South Australia.CREDIT: NEOEN

It is alleged the Hornsdale Power Reserve failed to provide “frequency control ancillary services” – services used to maintain the safe operations of the grid following power disruptions – despite making offers and receiving payment from the market operator to be on stand-by to provide them.

Tech billionaire Elon Musk’s Tesla built the huge battery in a remote area of South Australia in 2017. Paired with the adjacent Hornsdale wind farm, the 150-megawatt battery with 193 megawatt-hours of storage has helped reduce intermittency and manage increased demand during periods when the grid is under the most strain.

The Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO) informed the regulator of Hornsdale’s alleged conduct after a power system disruption at Queensland’s Kogan Creek power station in October 2019.

Hornsdale’s failure to provide the services as promised “undermined AEMO’s ability to maintain frequency” and put the power system’s security and stability at risk, the regulator said.

“It is vital that generators do what they say they can do if we’re going to keep the lights on through the market’s transition to variable renewable generation,” Australian Energy Regulator chair Clare Savage said.

“AEMO relies on accurate information and compliance with offers and dispatch instructions to ensure it can effectively stabilise frequency deviations.“

The regulator said it was seeking penalties, declarations and costs.

Neoen Australia managing director Louis de Sambucy said Hornsdale had repeatedly delivered on the high expectations of its performance and market impact since beginning operations in 2017, “proving itself to be a critical component of the South Australian electricity network”.

“Whilst we are disappointed by the AER decision, we will continue to maintain our collaborative relationship with them,” he said.

In its first two years of operation, the construction of the Tesla Big Battery has saved consumers more than $150 million, according to Neoen.

A report by Aurecon in 2019 found the big battery had reduced the cost of frequency control ancillary services in the National Electricity Market by about $116 million in 2019.

Tesla’s Hornsdale project kickstarted a wave of Australian big batteries – technology considered key to supporting the greater uptake of renewables by overcoming the problem of intermittency when it is not sunny or windy.

Big batteries capture and store excess power generated during times when conditions for renewable energy are most favourable, and then release it when it’s needed during peak-usage periods such as during heatwaves.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/regulator-sues-tesla-big-battery-in...