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Reply #61 - Jun 28^th, 2021 at 1:38am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 7:45pm:

AiA wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:36pm:

There isn't a single Kia product I would purchase. Nissan has gone to ʇᴉɥs. Honda isn't what it used to be. I like Subaru but they are a bit overpriced.

Something one has to take into consideration these days but many don't until it is too late is the tire size - sizes have gotten so damn big in the USA on pickups and SUVs so the replacement tires are very, very pricey.

YES, especially those silly low diameter ones, that handle really harshly.

Low-profile tires are awful, especially the wider ones. Not only are they pricey, they simply don't last and as you said, they give a harsh ride.

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Reply #62 - Jun 28^th, 2021 at 6:19am

rhino wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 9:34pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 5:55am:

Skoda Octavia 110TSI manual sedan
Three-year resale value: 43 percent.
Original RRP: $25,890.
Three-year estimate: $11,132.

Toyota Corolla: There is a high demand in Australia for new and used Corollas. The steady demand and the vehicle's reliability contribute to its minimal depreciation of 27% – 36% after three years.

so the skoda drops 57 % and the corolla drops 30 %.

rhino, i simply cannot accept anymore white flags.

your previous claim that used BMW's are a good investment Grin

BMW 520i

Three-year resale value: 36 percent
Original RRP: $90,990
Three-year estimate: $32,756
Few other cars are as wince-inducing to watch come down in price than luxury cars, and the BMW 520i is a perfect example of that. Starting at a lofty near-$100k price, after a mere three years of ownership you can expect a BMW 520i to only be worth 36 percent of what it was new.

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https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-advice/which-cars-depreciate-the-most

I never claimed a BMW was a good investment, get yourself checked, I keep telling you. Catch it now and theres treatment.

Like when you claimed many BMWs will do 500000 km Grin

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Reply #63 - Jun 28^th, 2021 at 8:10am

AiA wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:36pm:

There isn't a single Kia product I would purchase. Nissan has gone to ʇᴉɥs. Honda isn't what it used to be. I like Subaru but they are a bit overpriced.

Something one has to take into consideration these days but many don't until it is too late is the tire size - sizes have gotten so damn big in the USA on pickups and SUVs so the replacement tires are very, very pricey.

I have 2017 Outback and am very happy with it. A smooth ride compared to many SUVs and the CVT works fine. The only issues are the service interval of 6 months seems too frequent and the Bridgestone Dueller tyres it comes with are crap.

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Reply #64 - Jun 28^th, 2021 at 9:20am

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 9:17pm:

Gordon wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:47pm:

AiA wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:36pm:

There isn't a single Kia product I would purchase. Nissan has gone to ʇᴉɥs. Honda isn't what it used to be. I like Subaru but they are a bit overpriced.

Something one has to take into consideration these days but many don't until it is too late is the tire size - sizes have gotten so damn big in the USA on pickups and SUVs so the replacement tires are very, very pricey.

I've had a few brand new Kia rentals, not horrible, kind of nothing really. The worst rental I've had recently was a Mitsu ASX, driving that thing gave me hives.

Nicest cheap rental, Corolla hybrid.

I just came across the ASX going through all the specs. They look good on paper. Have you driven an outlander?

I liked it on paper, not really keen on the look but that wasn't a deal breaker. I just didn't like the CVT. This was for wife's car which she hardly drives because she strolls to the ferry to get to work.

Each to their own, a mate of mine has a Pajero Evo and bought his wife an Outlander and he doesn't mind it

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Reply #65 - Jun 28^th, 2021 at 9:25am

Belgarion wrote on Jun 28^th, 2021 at 8:10am:

AiA wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:36pm:

There isn't a single Kia product I would purchase. Nissan has gone to ʇᴉɥs. Honda isn't what it used to be. I like Subaru but they are a bit overpriced.

Something one has to take into consideration these days but many don't until it is too late is the tire size - sizes have gotten so damn big in the USA on pickups and SUVs so the replacement tires are very, very pricey.

I have 2017 Outback and am very happy with it. A smooth ride compared to many SUVs and the CVT works fine. The only issues are the service interval of 6 months seems too frequent and the Bridgestone Dueller tyres it comes with are crap.

Subaru probably had the best all wheel drive system
Just be aware with all-wheel drives it is fairly important to keep the tyres at identical pressures or you will put a lot of strain on the system and lead to it's premature breakdown

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Reply #66 - Jun 28^th, 2021 at 9:27am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 8:52pm:

Valkie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 8:15pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 7:45pm:

AiA wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:36pm:

There isn't a single Kia product I would purchase. Nissan has gone to ʇᴉɥs. Honda isn't what it used to be. I like Subaru but they are a bit overpriced.

Something one has to take into consideration these days but many don't until it is too late is the tire size - sizes have gotten so damn big in the USA on pickups and SUVs so the replacement tires are very, very pricey.

YES, especially those silly low diameter ones, that handle really harshly.

Tyres, they are a trap for the unwary,

I purchased a beautiful Valkyrie motorcycle quite a few years ago.
Magnificent machine
1500cc 6 cylinders 0 to 60 in a smidgen over 3 seconds.

But the tyres.....ouch.
I had a choice of two when I bought the beast.
And just before I sold it I had a choice of 4.

All at over $500.00 a tyre

But the bike was the greatest.

I bet that ran beautifully.

It truly was a beautiful machine.
I had it for 11 years and it looked as new the whole time.
Was not cheap on petrol though, it ate up fuel at 32 MPG 40 if you took it easy (but that's not what a bike is for)
With 6 carburetors, one for each cylinder, I guess that's to be expected
Id probably still have it had I not developed Vertigo (which comes and goes)
Id hate to throw that beast down the road because I lost my balance one day.

The motor was a 6 cylinder horizontally opposed boxster engine, so smooth you could barely know it running.
And no vibration at all while riding.

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Reply #67 - Jun 28^th, 2021 at 9:34am

aquascoot wrote on Jun 28^th, 2021 at 6:19am:

rhino wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 9:34pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 5:55am:

Skoda Octavia 110TSI manual sedan
Three-year resale value: 43 percent.
Original RRP: $25,890.
Three-year estimate: $11,132.

Toyota Corolla: There is a high demand in Australia for new and used Corollas. The steady demand and the vehicle's reliability contribute to its minimal depreciation of 27% – 36% after three years.

so the skoda drops 57 % and the corolla drops 30 %.

rhino, i simply cannot accept anymore white flags.

your previous claim that used BMW's are a good investment Grin

BMW 520i

Three-year resale value: 36 percent
Original RRP: $90,990
Three-year estimate: $32,756
Few other cars are as wince-inducing to watch come down in price than luxury cars, and the BMW 520i is a perfect example of that. Starting at a lofty near-$100k price, after a mere three years of ownership you can expect a BMW 520i to only be worth 36 percent of what it was new.

Cheesy

https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-advice/which-cars-depreciate-the-most

I never claimed a BMW was a good investment, get yourself checked, I keep telling you. Catch it now and theres treatment.

Like when you claimed many BMWs will do 500000 km Grin

Any car will do the miles if looked after.

I have had many cars in my life, Holden, Ford, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Suzuki, Isuzu and a little Morris Minor.

Some I have finally gotten rid of with over 400,000 k on the clock.
My current play car is a 1999 Toyota Echo, with nearly 300,000 on the clock, but everything still works perfectly, even the air-conditioner. A bit rattly, but perfect for just bashing the traffic around the coast.

My daughter has a Toyota Yarris, 320,000 on the clock.
Apart for the paint peeling everywhere, its still runs great (starting to use a bit of oil between changes though)

The key is regular maintenance, thats all.

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Reply #69 - Jun 28^th, 2021 at 9:54am

I don't think the current crop of European cars will do those sort of miles

Europe simply has very stringent environmental and fuel consumption laws
And this has necessitated a lot of reengineering

Many of the components inside BMWs and Mercedes for example
Are either completely made of plastic or have plastic joints
This reduces weight and increases fuel economy

But you cannot heat and cool plastic repeatedly
Without it eventually cracking

Now if it's easy to work on the engine transmission etc
And parts are cheap
You can get around that problem

But for example all the fuel injectors and fuel injector couplings on BMWs
Are now made of plastic
They are very expensive to replace
And they are brittle after several years to the point where you can't really work on them without high probability of damage

It's just built-in redundancy

The other thing about the Europeans is that they are more interested in getting government subsidies for changing to electric vehicles
Then they are in producing good vehicles with petrol motors
Volvo are moving completely to electric vehicles within the next few years

And again there is a lot of built-in redundancy
The batteries on most new electric vehicles
Form part of the structural integrity of the car
Have an accident
Even a simple nose to tail
And it might be by by battery
It might be a $10,000 repair job just on that

Built-in redundancy Andover engineering is going to be the way of the future unfortunately

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Reply #70 - Jun 28^th, 2021 at 9:59am

Gordon wrote on Jun 28^th, 2021 at 9:39am:

Of course anything can be kept going for ever but eventually the curve of cost and practicality starts to bite.

Some cars will go longer with less major intervention and others may be described as the Ship of Theseus

Yes I guess, but is it really worth forking out $40,000.00 for a new car when a $2,000.00 car will do the same job?
Even if you have to spend maybe $5,000.00 in repairs over its lifetime?

I have a near new Isuzu MUX (new when I bought it two years ago)
My wife has a near new Ignis (bought new 3 years ago)

Together these two cars cost us nearly $63,000.00.

My Echo cost me $2,000.00 and in the 12 months Ive had it has cost me the grand sum of $230.00 for oil changes, new sway bar bushes and new brakes I fitted.

Yet we use the Echo quite a bit, we dont worry about people banging doors into the paintwork or scratching it.
Its just a bomb and thats how we use it.

The MUX is for towing and long trips, the Ignis for cheap reliable short trips.

But the echo does all we need for a fraction of the cost.

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Reply #71 - Jun 28^th, 2021 at 10:07am

Valkie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2021 at 9:59am:

Gordon wrote on Jun 28^th, 2021 at 9:39am:

Of course anything can be kept going for ever but eventually the curve of cost and practicality starts to bite.

Some cars will go longer with less major intervention and others may be described as the Ship of Theseus

Yes I guess, but is it really worth forking out $40,000.00 for a new car when a $2,000.00 car will do the same job?
Even if you have to spend maybe $5,000.00 in repairs over its lifetime?

I have a near new Isuzu MUX (new when I bought it two years ago)
My wife has a near new Ignis (bought new 3 years ago)

Together these two cars cost us nearly $63,000.00.

My Echo cost me $2,000.00 and in the 12 months Ive had it has cost me the grand sum of $230.00 for oil changes, new sway bar bushes and new brakes I fitted.

Yet we use the Echo quite a bit, we dont worry about people banging doors into the paintwork or scratching it.
Its just a bomb and thats how we use it.

The MUX is for towing and long trips, the Ignis for cheap reliable short trips.

But the echo does all we need for a fraction of the cost.

Sure, but some people have money to spend on cars with cost being secondary, and we all do it to some extent. You did it with the motorcycle you posted above.

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Reply #72 - Jun 28^th, 2021 at 3:56pm

Gordon wrote on Jun 28^th, 2021 at 10:07am:

Valkie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2021 at 9:59am:

Gordon wrote on Jun 28^th, 2021 at 9:39am:

Of course anything can be kept going for ever but eventually the curve of cost and practicality starts to bite.

Some cars will go longer with less major intervention and others may be described as the Ship of Theseus

Yes I guess, but is it really worth forking out $40,000.00 for a new car when a $2,000.00 car will do the same job?
Even if you have to spend maybe $5,000.00 in repairs over its lifetime?

I have a near new Isuzu MUX (new when I bought it two years ago)
My wife has a near new Ignis (bought new 3 years ago)

Together these two cars cost us nearly $63,000.00.

My Echo cost me $2,000.00 and in the 12 months Ive had it has cost me the grand sum of $230.00 for oil changes, new sway bar bushes and new brakes I fitted.

Yet we use the Echo quite a bit, we dont worry about people banging doors into the paintwork or scratching it.
Its just a bomb and thats how we use it.

The MUX is for towing and long trips, the Ignis for cheap reliable short trips.

But the echo does all we need for a fraction of the cost.

Sure, but some people have money to spend on cars with cost being secondary, and we all do it to some extent. You did it with the motorcycle you posted above.

Yes, but the bike was an absolute MUST HAVE.

I saw it, I loved it, I bought it.

My wife called it my midlife crisis bike.
But I loved that bike.

It went to a good home though.

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Reply #73 - Jun 28^th, 2021 at 4:02pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 28^th, 2021 at 6:19am:

rhino wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 9:34pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 5:55am:

Skoda Octavia 110TSI manual sedan
Three-year resale value: 43 percent.
Original RRP: $25,890.
Three-year estimate: $11,132.

Toyota Corolla: There is a high demand in Australia for new and used Corollas. The steady demand and the vehicle's reliability contribute to its minimal depreciation of 27% – 36% after three years.

so the skoda drops 57 % and the corolla drops 30 %.

rhino, i simply cannot accept anymore white flags.

your previous claim that used BMW's are a good investment Grin

BMW 520i

Three-year resale value: 36 percent
Original RRP: $90,990
Three-year estimate: $32,756
Few other cars are as wince-inducing to watch come down in price than luxury cars, and the BMW 520i is a perfect example of that. Starting at a lofty near-$100k price, after a mere three years of ownership you can expect a BMW 520i to only be worth 36 percent of what it was new.

Cheesy

https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-advice/which-cars-depreciate-the-most

I never claimed a BMW was a good investment, get yourself checked, I keep telling you. Catch it now and theres treatment.

Like when you claimed many BMWs will do 500000 km Grin

And? I was right, as usual. You got your fingers burned now you want to create a false argument to deflect from your lack of knowledge, your standard MO. Wink

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