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Reply #46 - Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:06pm

www.carsguide.com.au - pricing and specs
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https://www.autotrader.com.au/mazda/cx-3/towing-capacity/2019

$k lowest engine size L fuel L/100km dim HLW Braked towing capacity kg – in complete guide, also under dimensions Unbraked – google it
2007 Holden Viva stationwagon 2 1.8 ULP regular 7.4 Manual 5 speed 1.4X4.6X1.7 1200 610
2021 skoda fabia 70 TSI stationwagon 19 1 PULP 4.5 Manual 5 speed 1.5X4.3X1.7 1000 550
2021 skoda Octavia 110 TSI ambition stationwagon 32 1.4 PULP 5.9 Auto 8 speed 1.5X4.7X1.8 1500 670
2021 volkswagon golf 110 TSI trendline stationwagon 29 1.4 PULP 5.6 Auto 7 speed 1.5X4.6X1.8 1500 640
2021 volkwagon passat 140TSI business stationwagon 49 2 PULP 6.6 Auto 7 speed 1.5X4.8X1.8 1800 750
2021 Peugot 308 Alluire Touring stationwagon 32 1.2 ULP regular 5 Manual 6 speed 1.5X4.6X1.9 1200 690
2021 Mazda 6 GT stationwagon 47 2.5 ULP regular 7.6 Auto 6 speed 1.5X4.8X1.8 1500 550
2021 Mazda CX-3 Akari stationwagon fwd 34 2 ULP regular 6.6 Manual 6 speed 1.5X4.3X1.8 1200 640
2020 Subaru levorg GT awd stationwagon 37 1.6 PULP 7.4 CVT Auto 1.5X4.7X1.8 800 750
2020 Subaru levorg GT awd stationwagon 50 2 1500 750
2021 Ford Mondeo stationwagon 39 2 Diesel 5.3 Auto 6 speed 1.5X4.9X1.8 1600 750
2021 Renault Captur Life stationwagon 29 1.3 PULP 6.6 Auto 7 speed 1.6X4.2X1.8 1200 625 for 2020
2021 Kia Stonic S stationwagon 21 1.4 ULP regular 6 Manual 6 speed 1.5X4.1X1.8 1000 450?
2021 Ford Focus ST-Line stationwagon 31 1.5 ULP regular 6.4 Auto 8 speed 1.5X4.7X1.8 1200 750
2020 Holden Commodore LT stationwagon 23 2 PULP 7.7 Auto 9 speed 1.5X5.0X1.9 1800 750
2019 Hyundai i40 Active Tourer stationwagon 19 2 ULP regular 7.5 Auto 6 speed 1.5X4.8X1.8 1500 750
2021 Toyota Prius V Hybrid stationwagon 35 2 ULP regular 4.4 Auto CVT 1.6X4.6X1.8 725 725

2021 Mitsubishi Outlander ES SUV 2WD 30 2 ULP regular 7 Manual 5 speed 1.7X4.7X1.8 1600 735
2021 Mitsubishi Outlander SUV AWD 35 2.4 ULP regular 7.2 Auto CVT 1.7X4.7X1.8 1600 750
2021 Mitsubishi ASX ES SUV 2wd 24 2 ULP regular 7.7 Manual 5 speed 1.6X4.4X1.8 1300 750
2021 Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross ES SUV 2wd 30 1.5 ULP regular 7.3 Auto CVT 1.7X4.5X1.8 1600 750
2021 Hyundai Kona Active SUV fwd 26 2 ULP regular 7.2 Auto 6 speed 1.6X4.2X1.8 1300 600
2021 Hyundai Tucson Active SUV 2WD 30 2 ULP regular 7.8 Manual 6 speed 1.7X4.5X1.9 1600 750
2021 Honda HR-V Vti SUV ? 27 1.8 ULP regular 6.6 Auto CVT 1.6X4.3X1.8 800 500
2021 Honda CR-V VI SUV 2WD 31 2 ULP regular 7.6 Auto CVT 1.7X4.6X1.9 1500 600
2021 Mazda CX-3 Akari SUV FWD 34 2 ULP regular 6.6 Manual 6 speed 1.5X4.3X1.8 1200 640
2021 Mazda CX30 G20 Pure SUV fwd 30 2 ULP regular 6.5 Auto 6 speed 1.5X4.4X1.8 1200 600
2021 Nissan Juke JT SUV ? 28 1 PULP 5.8 Auto 7 speed 1.6X4.2X1.8 1250 639-732
2016 Nissan Murano ST SUV ? 17 3.5 ULP regular 10.9 Auto CVT 1.7X4.9X1.9 1500 750
2021 Nissan Qashqai ST SUV ? 29 2 ULP regular 7.7 Manual 6 speed 1.6X4.4X1.8 1200 720
2021 Nissan Xtrail ST SUV 31 2 ULP regular 8.2 Manual 6 speed 1.7X4.7X1.8 1500 750
2021 Peugot 2008 Allure SUV ? 35 1.2 PULP 6.1 Auto 6 speed 1.6X4.3X1.8 1200 690?
2021 Haval H2 Premium SUV 2WD 20 1.5 PULP 8.2 Manual 6 speed 1.7X4.3X1.8 1200 750
2021 Haval H6 Premium SUV 28 2 PULP 9.8 Auto 6 speed 1.7X4.5X1.8 2000 750
2018 Haval H8 Premium SUV 4X2 22 2 PULP 12.7 Auto 6 speed 1.8X4.8X2.0 0?
2021 Haval Jolion Lux LE SUV 28 1500 710
2020 Holden Trax SUV ? 23 1.4 ULP regular 6.7 Auto 6 speed 1.7X4.2X1.8 1200 500
2019 Holden Captiva 5 LS SUV fwd 2.2 Diesel 8.2 Auto 6 speed 1.7X4.7X1.8 1500 750
2020 Holden Equinox LT SUV fwd 20 1.5 ULP regular 6.9 Auto 6 speed 1.7X4.7X1.8 1500 750
2021 Fiat 500X Pop SUV 25 1.4 PULP 6 Manual 6 speed 1.6X4.2X1.8 1200 600
2020 Ford Ecosport SUV ? ? 900 750
2021 Ford Escape SUV fwd 36 2 PULP 8.6 Auto 8 speed 1.7X4.6X1.9 1800 750
2021 MG ZS Excite SUV? 21 1.5 ULP regular 7.1 Auto 4 speed 1.6X4.3X? 500 500
2020 MG GS Core SUV 21 1.5 PULP 7.4 Auto 7 speed 1.7X4.5X1.9 ?
2021 MG HS Core SUV ? 29 1.5 ULP regular 7.3 Auto 7 speed 1.7X4.6X? 1750 750
2021 Suzuki Vitara SUV? 25 1.6 ULP regular 5.8 Manual 5 speed 1.6X4.2X1.8 1200 400
2019 Suzuki Grand Vitara SUV? 16 2.4 ULP regular 8.8 Manual 5 speed 1.7X4.1X1.8 1600 550
1850 750
2021 Suzuki Ignis SUV? 19 1.2 PULP 4.7 Manual 5 speed 1.6X3.7X1.7 800 350
2021 Suzuki Jimmy GLX QLD SUV ? 28 1.5 ULP regular 6.9 Manual 5 speed 1.7X3.5X1.6 1300 350
2021 Suzuki S-Cross Turbo GL+ QLD SUV ? 30 1.4 PULP 5.9 Auto 6 speed 1.6X4.3X1.8 1200 400
2021 Skoda Kamiq 85 TSI SUV ? 27 1 PULP 5.1 Manual 6 speed 1.5X4.2X1.8 1200 620
2021 Skoda Karoq 110TSI SUV ? 35 1.4 ULP regular 6.6 Auto 8 speed 1.6X4.4X1.8 1500 690?
2021 VW T-Cross SUV ? 28 1 PULP 5.4 Auto 7 speed 1.6X4.1X1.8 1100 620
2021 VW Golf Alltrack SUV 37 1.8 PULP 6.8 Manual 6 speed 1.5X4.6X1.8 1500 750
2021 VW Tiguan 110 TSI trendline SUV ? 35 1.4 PULP 7.1 Auto 6 speed 1.7X4.5X1.8 1800 750
2021 Kia Seltos S SUV fwd 27 2 ULP regular 6.8 Auto CVT 1.6X4.4X1.8 1100 600
2021 Kia Sportage S SUV fwd 31 2 ULP regular 7.9 Auto 6 speed 1.6X4.5X1.9 1600 750
2021 Subaru Forester SUV awd 35 2.5 ULP regular 7.4 Auto CVT 1.7X4.6X1.8 1800 750
2021 Subaru Outback 2.5I Vision SUV ? 39 2.5 ULP regular 7.3 Auto CVT 1.7X4.8X1.8 1500 750
2021 Subaru XV SUV awd 30 2 PULP 7 Auto CVT 1.6X4.5X1.8 1400 650
2021 Honda CR-V SUV ? 31 2 ULP regular 7.6 Auto CVT 1.7X4.6X1.9 1500 600
2021 Jeep Cherokee Sport SUV 4X2 38 2.4 ULP regular 8.5 Auto 9 speed 1.7X4.7X1.9 1500 750
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Reply #48 - Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:36pm

There isn't a single Kia product I would purchase. Nissan has gone to ʇᴉɥs. Honda isn't what it used to be. I like Subaru but they are a bit overpriced.

Something one has to take into consideration these days but many don't until it is too late is the tire size - sizes have gotten so damn big in the USA on pickups and SUVs so the replacement tires are very, very pricey.

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Reply #49 - Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:47pm

AiA wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:36pm:

There isn't a single Kia product I would purchase. Nissan has gone to ʇᴉɥs. Honda isn't what it used to be. I like Subaru but they are a bit overpriced.

Something one has to take into consideration these days but many don't until it is too late is the tire size - sizes have gotten so damn big in the USA on pickups and SUVs so the replacement tires are very, very pricey.

I've had a few brand new Kia rentals, not horrible, kind of nothing really. The worst rental I've had recently was a Mitsu ASX, driving that thing gave me hives.

Nicest cheap rental, Corolla hybrid.

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Reply #51 - Jun 27^th, 2021 at 1:41pm

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 10:17am:

Is the Mitsubishi 10 year diamond advantage thing worth it? I have a fairly cheap local mechanic who tells me how to save money - eg replaced a gearbox for a total cost of only a few hundred dollars by sending me to the wreckers. The new OEM deal would have cost $2000. The Mitsubishi dealership where they would service it is only about 10 minutes drive away.

Also, is it worth trying to salary sacrifice a vehicle? This example given by the ATO here suggests you would end up worse off:

https://www.ato.gov.au/general/fringe-benefits-tax-(fbt)/in-detail/employees/salary-sacrifice-arrangements-for-employees/

The advice I can find online is mostly novated lease companies spruiking it but not giving a clear answer on the financials. Moneymag has an article saying it is not really with it, with a lot of people trashing the article in the comments.

if you own a business, buy a ute.

no FBT on utes

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Reply #52 - Jun 27^th, 2021 at 7:44pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 1:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 10:17am:

Is the Mitsubishi 10 year diamond advantage thing worth it? I have a fairly cheap local mechanic who tells me how to save money - eg replaced a gearbox for a total cost of only a few hundred dollars by sending me to the wreckers. The new OEM deal would have cost $2000. The Mitsubishi dealership where they would service it is only about 10 minutes drive away.

Also, is it worth trying to salary sacrifice a vehicle? This example given by the ATO here suggests you would end up worse off:

https://www.ato.gov.au/general/fringe-benefits-tax-(fbt)/in-detail/employees/salary-sacrifice-arrangements-for-employees/

The advice I can find online is mostly novated lease companies spruiking it but not giving a clear answer on the financials. Moneymag has an article saying it is not really with it, with a lot of people trashing the article in the comments.

if you own a business, buy a ute.

no FBT on utes

I looked into a novated lease a few years ago.
It did not appeal to me.

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Reply #53 - Jun 27^th, 2021 at 7:45pm

AiA wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:36pm:

There isn't a single Kia product I would purchase. Nissan has gone to ʇᴉɥs. Honda isn't what it used to be. I like Subaru but they are a bit overpriced.

Something one has to take into consideration these days but many don't until it is too late is the tire size - sizes have gotten so damn big in the USA on pickups and SUVs so the replacement tires are very, very pricey.

YES, especially those silly low diameter ones, that handle really harshly.

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Reply #54 - Jun 27^th, 2021 at 8:15pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 7:45pm:

AiA wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:36pm:

There isn't a single Kia product I would purchase. Nissan has gone to ʇᴉɥs. Honda isn't what it used to be. I like Subaru but they are a bit overpriced.

Something one has to take into consideration these days but many don't until it is too late is the tire size - sizes have gotten so damn big in the USA on pickups and SUVs so the replacement tires are very, very pricey.

YES, especially those silly low diameter ones, that handle really harshly.

Tyres, they are a trap for the unwary,

I purchased a beautiful Valkyrie motorcycle quite a few years ago.
Magnificent machine
1500cc 6 cylinders 0 to 60 in a smidgen over 3 seconds.

But the tyres.....ouch.
I had a choice of two when I bought the beast.
And just before I sold it I had a choice of 4.

All at over $500.00 a tyre

But the bike was the greatest.

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Reply #55 - Jun 27^th, 2021 at 8:52pm

Valkie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 8:15pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 7:45pm:

AiA wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:36pm:

There isn't a single Kia product I would purchase. Nissan has gone to ʇᴉɥs. Honda isn't what it used to be. I like Subaru but they are a bit overpriced.

Something one has to take into consideration these days but many don't until it is too late is the tire size - sizes have gotten so damn big in the USA on pickups and SUVs so the replacement tires are very, very pricey.

YES, especially those silly low diameter ones, that handle really harshly.

Tyres, they are a trap for the unwary,

I purchased a beautiful Valkyrie motorcycle quite a few years ago.
Magnificent machine
1500cc 6 cylinders 0 to 60 in a smidgen over 3 seconds.

But the tyres.....ouch.
I had a choice of two when I bought the beast.
And just before I sold it I had a choice of 4.

All at over $500.00 a tyre

But the bike was the greatest.

I bet that ran beautifully.

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Reply #56 - Jun 27^th, 2021 at 8:53pm

freediver wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 10:17am:

Is the Mitsubishi 10 year diamond advantage thing worth it? I have a fairly cheap local mechanic who tells me how to save money - eg replaced a gearbox for a total cost of only a few hundred dollars by sending me to the wreckers. The new OEM deal would have cost $2000. The Mitsubishi dealership where they would service it is only about 10 minutes drive away.

Also, is it worth trying to salary sacrifice a vehicle? This example given by the ATO here suggests you would end up worse off:

https://www.ato.gov.au/general/fringe-benefits-tax-(fbt)/in-detail/employees/salary-sacrifice-arrangements-for-employees/

The advice I can find online is mostly novated lease companies spruiking it but not giving a clear answer on the financials. Moneymag has an article saying it is not really with it, with a lot of people trashing the article in the comments.

The salary sacrifice on a vehicle is a trap, stay away from it. I know quite a number of people who have done it and all regret it, the only time leasing a car makes sense in my opinion is if you are using it as a 100 percent business deduction.

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Reply #57 - Jun 27^th, 2021 at 9:17pm

Gordon wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:47pm:

AiA wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 12:36pm:

There isn't a single Kia product I would purchase. Nissan has gone to ʇᴉɥs. Honda isn't what it used to be. I like Subaru but they are a bit overpriced.

Something one has to take into consideration these days but many don't until it is too late is the tire size - sizes have gotten so damn big in the USA on pickups and SUVs so the replacement tires are very, very pricey.

I've had a few brand new Kia rentals, not horrible, kind of nothing really. The worst rental I've had recently was a Mitsu ASX, driving that thing gave me hives.

Nicest cheap rental, Corolla hybrid.

I just came across the ASX going through all the specs. They look good on paper. Have you driven an outlander?

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Reply #58 - Jun 27^th, 2021 at 9:34pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27^th, 2021 at 5:55am:

Skoda Octavia 110TSI manual sedan
Three-year resale value: 43 percent.
Original RRP: $25,890.
Three-year estimate: $11,132.

Toyota Corolla: There is a high demand in Australia for new and used Corollas. The steady demand and the vehicle's reliability contribute to its minimal depreciation of 27% – 36% after three years.

so the skoda drops 57 % and the corolla drops 30 %.

rhino, i simply cannot accept anymore white flags.

your previous claim that used BMW's are a good investment Grin

BMW 520i

Three-year resale value: 36 percent
Original RRP: $90,990
Three-year estimate: $32,756
Few other cars are as wince-inducing to watch come down in price than luxury cars, and the BMW 520i is a perfect example of that. Starting at a lofty near-$100k price, after a mere three years of ownership you can expect a BMW 520i to only be worth 36 percent of what it was new.

Cheesy

https://www.whichcar.com.au/car-advice/which-cars-depreciate-the-most

I never claimed a BMW was a good investment, get yourself checked, I keep telling you. Catch it now and theres treatment.

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Reply #59 - Jun 27^th, 2021 at 11:22pm

I buy cars to last, not to sell after 4 years.
I like to have a car, like a barber, butcher, baker, for years and years and years.

I don't want a new car every 3-4 years just as I dont want a new barber, butcher, taylor, etc. There are so many absolutely amazing things to discover in life but consumer goods are not among them. They are boring, just fccn' tedious!

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