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Reply #15 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 1:52pm
 
Compared to what you seem to like, yes it is.

Variable geometry turbo, variable valve timiing (first in a diesel)
To meet the requirements of global emissions standards, Mitsubishi developed a new catalyst system that combines a Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC), NOx Trap Catalyst (NTC) and Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).[1][11]


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Reply #16 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:03pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 1:52pm:
Compared to what you seem to like, yes it is.

Variable geometry turbo, variable valve timiing (first in a diesel)
To meet the requirements of global emissions standards, Mitsubishi developed a new catalyst system that combines a Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC), NOx Trap Catalyst (NTC) and Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).[1][11]




you appear confused.

i'm not recommending the mitsubishi engine over the 2.8 litre 2L hi lux engine of the 90's

BUT

if an engine has been unchanged for over a decade then it fits my description of "not the latest, greatest, most over engineered technology" Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #17 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:05pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:03pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 1:52pm:
Compared to what you seem to like, yes it is.

Variable geometry turbo, variable valve timiing (first in a diesel)
To meet the requirements of global emissions standards, Mitsubishi developed a new catalyst system that combines a Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC), NOx Trap Catalyst (NTC) and Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).[1][11]




you appear confused.

i'm not recommending the mitsubishi engine over the 2.8 litre 2L hi lux engine of the 90's

BUT

if an engine has been unchanged for over a decade then it fits my description of "not the latest, greatest, most over engineered technology" Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Inconsistent again, got you.
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Reply #18 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:34pm
 
I drive a small car. Going up Mount Archer, I will stick to using the automatic transmission. But, coming down the hill, I have to put the transmission into 2nd gear. I learned a long time ago that your brakes overheat from overuse.
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Reply #19 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:55pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:05pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:03pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 1:52pm:
Compared to what you seem to like, yes it is.

Variable geometry turbo, variable valve timiing (first in a diesel)
To meet the requirements of global emissions standards, Mitsubishi developed a new catalyst system that combines a Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC), NOx Trap Catalyst (NTC) and Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).[1][11]




you appear confused.

i'm not recommending the mitsubishi engine over the 2.8 litre 2L hi lux engine of the 90's

BUT

if an engine has been unchanged for over a decade then it fits my description of "not the latest, greatest, most over engineered technology" Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Inconsistent again, got you.


pedantic, arrogant and unhelpful again, got you
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Reply #20 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 3:00pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:55pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:05pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:03pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 1:52pm:
Compared to what you seem to like, yes it is.

Variable geometry turbo, variable valve timiing (first in a diesel)
To meet the requirements of global emissions standards, Mitsubishi developed a new catalyst system that combines a Diesel Oxidation Catalyst (DOC), NOx Trap Catalyst (NTC) and Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF).[1][11]




you appear confused.

i'm not recommending the mitsubishi engine over the 2.8 litre 2L hi lux engine of the 90's

BUT

if an engine has been unchanged for over a decade then it fits my description of "not the latest, greatest, most over engineered technology" Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



a
Inconsistent again, got you.


pedantic, arrogant and unhelpful again, got you


Why bother helping someone who has his head so far up his horses arse he won't listen. And pedantism is  relevant. Too little factchecking in the world.
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Reply #21 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 3:16pm
 
i am trying to advice people to buy older proven machinery in the hope of saving them from suffering a loss.

how noble.

you are criticising such a noble act.

how ugly


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Reply #22 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:34pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 2:34pm:
I drive a small car. Going up Mount Archer, I will stick to using the automatic transmission. But, coming down the hill, I have to put the transmission into 2nd gear. I learned a long time ago that your brakes overheat from overuse.


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Reply #23 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:39pm
 
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................ Hi Guys,
An update from me. Have bought a new van weighs 2.3 tonne loaded. Towing at 90-95 on highway is averaging 19-21 l/100. have definately discovered to tow in 4th not 5th. The transmission fluid temperature rises too high and even though the revs are lower it is cooking the gears. The slightly higher revs (2300rpm) in 4th @ 95 kph is not using any more fuel but the trans temp is perfectly normal. It is virtually a 1;1 ratio. You will use more fuel towing in 5th and I reckon you will definately damage the gearbox overtime and start to lose gears etc. Just my 2 bobs worth...........

........  Hi guys, I have a v6 2008 GXL with Unichip and Pacemaker extractors... otherwise mostly standard except for sovereign bar, cargo barrier, engel etc. This is a blacktop tourer I mainly use to pull a 2,000kg van. I recently did a 6,000 km trip Perth to the Barossa and return, and average fuel burn was 17.2 lt/100km (total average, van on and van off). I towed in 4th gear at 95km (GPS), and drove to fuel economy, eng temp and trans oil temp data as displayed by the Scangauge. In 4th gear the motor and trans ran cooler, fuel burn was more favourable and the motor was coasting rather than stressing (as it would be if I was in 5th gear and in/out of overdrive). Overall a hassle free trip that came in under budget.
Cheers
Greg............

............. Dan, i have a similar mindset as you in that I bought a v6 Prado (rather than a diesel) to tow my 2400kg enclosed car trailer once a month cos fuel economy to me is secondary and of much more interest to me is to be able to drive at a reasonable pace up and downhills, so a sluggish diesel was never going to cut it.
anyway, I usually tow in 4th as recommended.
ive now fitted a scan gauge and so can monitor trans temps and so have started using 5th dropping it back to 4th when the convertor starts slipping, and temps start to rise.

last trip to Winton towing the trailer was ~20l/100 average in 4th all the way, mostly on cruise at 110k.   ..................

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https://www.pradopoint.com.au/forum/-120-series-discussion-only/engine-petrol-12...
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Reply #24 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:43pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 3:16pm:
i am trying to advice people to buy older proven machinery in the hope of saving them from suffering a loss.

how noble.

you are criticising such a noble act.

how ugly


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Not the act you. I think its misgudied.
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Reply #25 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:55pm
 
High tech doesn't always mean better

The electric power steering on my 2016 Kia Cerato is the worst steering I've ever experienced. I've owned a lot of different brand cars over the years, but this Kia has only done 35,000ks and still under warranty, previous elderly lady owner

The steering is stiff and notchy at speeds above 40kh, the Kia dealer said it's normal. I fitted brand new tires and over-inflated them from 32 to 38, got the wheel alignment checked and adjusted, but still there's a "stiff" feel to the steering. This is not high-tech, it's just bullshit

My old Corolla was heaps better and it had no power steering at all. That Corolla also had an Aisian auto, said to be 3sp, but it had a 4th gear overdrive that you never knew it had unless you carefully listened to the revs or felt the very slight hesitation of the car when going up a grade. Never felt it go into that gear though, there was no switch for it. I miss that gearbox, it was pretty good

The Kia has high-tech stuff for the engine, brakes, millage read-out and other sensors, but the rest of the car is very ordinary. The door catches and handles act like, and are no better than old Kelvinator fridge doors, before magnetic door seals. The hatch door opens and closes a bit like a tilting garage door and if it's not closed fully, the battery goes flat, you may not know. The bonnet must be slammed down to shut it, gently pushing it down will dent the sheet metal because the bonnet is that hard to close. You can feel every change from the auto box most of the time, and the curved side rear-view mirrors give a false impression of how far traffic is away from you ... and then there is the terrible power steering, not worth a pinch

One saving grace is the low fuel consumption, but only if driven at moderate speeds, fast speeds on or over speed limits just ruins fuel economy, it's then equal to my 3.0L diesel van

However, on one long stretch on the way home from town, I get 4.3 Lts/100ks from the Kia, but that's in 5th gear, not 6th, and doing 70-80 kh. 5th gear takes load off the motor and the accelerator pedal is not pressed down as far, so not as much fuel is needed. The 4.3 was displaying on the dash millage computer read-out. The engine is a 1.8lt, so, not bad in that regard


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Reply #26 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:58pm
 
but it doesn't always mean worse either.
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Reply #27 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 5:13pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:58pm:
but it doesn't always mean worse either.


I'm afraid it does in many respects. It needs to be done properly, or not at all
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Reply #28 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 5:18pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 5:13pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:58pm:
but it doesn't always mean worse either.


I'm afraid it does in many respects. It needs to be done properly, or not at all




But it doesn't in many other respects. FMD.
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Reply #29 - Jun 21st, 2021 at 6:52pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 5:18pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 5:13pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 21st, 2021 at 4:58pm:
but it doesn't always mean worse either.


I'm afraid it does in many respects. It needs to be done properly, or not at all




But it doesn't in many other respects. FMD.



I didn't say it was

For lowering fuel consumption it's been very beneficial to reduce pollution and for cost saving ... but for electric power steering, they might as well go back to hydraulic power steering, it was easy smooth steering at all speeds, and if it failed, the vehicle can still be steered without a lot of extra effort, much safer than electric steering
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