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Reply #45 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 6:53pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 6:42pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 11:31am:

Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing

How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme

Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks
But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all

There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement
And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty

Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years

And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years

The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant

Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years
And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years

Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift

Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years

Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton

Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam

It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft

But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want
If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall

Some of the new coolants are good for 100,000 kms I believe, or 7 years.

Someone told me with the new coolants replacing hoses are a thing of the past. They never have to be replaced now

sprint, coolant is cheap.
when coolant gets dirty (which it certainly does by 7 years) the suspended grit eats away at your head gasket.

blow the head and its bye bye car.

why not spend 100 bucks every 3 years and change it

I'd agree the likes of Mitsubishi do the minimum to get the car to survive the 10 year warranty period, while Lexus, Toyota and even Subaru trade on reliability so have more frequent service intervals. Toyota sell cheap boring cars at a premium, it's called Toyota tax.

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Reply #46 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:02pm

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i am saying you should service your car waaaaaay moooore then the manufacturers say because they want the dammed thing to die ASAP

No they don't. It would destroy their reputation if all their cars died at 8 years old. They don't want it to happen, but it does because they cut every corner they can find in an effort to bring the price down.

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Reply #47 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:05pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:19pm:

I know a guy owns a Toyota dealership ... According to him, they make the money on servicing rather than sales. And he averages about 50 new car sales a month so it's not like he's not selling any.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:08pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 3:48pm:

You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other.

thats usually what john smith says when i beat him with a logical argument Grin

It's not like I'm some sort of magician who uses magic powers to spot your stupidity ... it's blatantly obvious to everyone that you often comment on things you have no idea about.

thanks for agreeing with me.

now convince rhino that service departments are money making ventures Grin

see, this is your stupidity shining through again ... I don't agree with you. You're claiming Toyota builds the cars to fail, Absolutely not. Toyota doesn't give a poo if the dealer makes money or not.

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Reply #48 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:06pm

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:34pm:

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rhino wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:54pm:

yes , I dont find their prices unreasonable, they are competitive.

they're a rip off .. Last year I was quoted $1700 to change the brakes on a van I used to own. My regular mechanic ended up doing them for $450

Thats not a warranty service on a new car which is what the subject is.

true ...what do you pay for your warranty service with the dealer? I had my family car serviced a couple of weeks ago and it cost me $280.

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Reply #49 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:13pm

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Mitsubishi is poised to introduce Australia’s first 10-year warranty – the longest coverage offered by a car-maker locally, and double the length of time offered by most rivals.

The warranty is set to increase from five or seven years currently offered on selected models, to 10 years coverage across the entire range from October 2020.

However, the extended coverage only applies to vehicles serviced within the Mitsubishi dealer network using the company’s fixed-price service program.

so there goes the "you can go to your own mechanic " lie

10-year/100,000-mile Powertrain Limited Warranty—This warranty covers repairs or replacements of powertrain parts and related components, including the engine, transaxle/transmission, and transfer case.

so....

its only covering the engine and tranny
and its only good for 160,000 km.

i rack up 160,000 km in about 4 years.

so a 10 year warranty Roll Eyes

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i'd rather spend a hundred bucks on good oil and filters and do it much more frequently and see if i can get 500,000 km out of a vehicle (which you can if you service it properly).

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Reply #51 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:23pm

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:02pm:

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i am saying you should service your car waaaaaay moooore then the manufacturers say because they want the dammed thing to die ASAP

No they don't. It would destroy their reputation if all their cars died at 8 years old. They don't want it to happen, but it does because they cut every corner they can find in an effort to bring the price down.

i would say its more that they over engineer to

1 impress numpties
2 comply with emissions standards and fuel consumption standards

there is no way a turbo 1.3 l engine with a DPF filter and a CAT and a CVT transmission, and direct injection and an electric assisted power steering rack is going to last long .

it cant be done.

you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car.

thats fine in germany or france or japan where they do less then 10 k a year.
in oz we all do double that

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Reply #53 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:28pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:23pm:

you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car.

they're not trying to get 300 000ks with that car.

I doubt you'll find many cars on the road with that much mileage that aren't ready for the scrap heap, except for maybe some diesel 4WD's

well, i would consider my car a rolling pile of steaming dog turd if i didnt get 300,000 km out of it.

i'd consider it just broken in at that figure

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Reply #54 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:31pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:06pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:21pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:54pm:

yes , I dont find their prices unreasonable, they are competitive.

they're a rip off .. Last year I was quoted $1700 to change the brakes on a van I used to own. My regular mechanic ended up doing them for $450

Thats not a warranty service on a new car which is what the subject is.

true ...what do you pay for your warranty service with the dealer? I had my family car serviced a couple of weeks ago and it cost me $280.

Depends, 1st service is $300, my wife doesnt do a lot of ks, we spend about $2000 over 4 years on the book services. With a new car you just have to get the book services done or you destroy the resale value, first thing thats asked when you go to sell, are the book services done?

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Reply #55 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:35pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:23pm:

you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car.

they're not trying to get 300 000ks with that car.

I doubt you'll find many cars on the road with that much mileage that aren't ready for the scrap heap, except for maybe some diesel 4WD's

well, i would consider my car a rolling pile of steaming dog turd if i didnt get 300,000 km out of it.

i'd consider it just broken in at that figure

you can consider whatever you want with your car. That doesn't change the fact that there are not many cars out there with 300 000ks

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Reply #56 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:35pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:18pm:

also that warranty is NOT transferrable, sell the car and the warranty is void

No, the warranty transfers to the new owner. is there anything you do know?
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In nearly every case, automotive warranties are based on the vehicle identification number (VIN), and the new car warranty will be valid for the full term regardless of ownership. In other words, if you buy a new car and later sell it to someone else, the warranty will still remain valid for the new owner until the end of the original warranty period.

https://www.autotrader.com/car-tips/buying-car-factory-warranty-transferable-228454

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Reply #57 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:40pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:23pm:

you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car.

they're not trying to get 300 000ks with that car.

I doubt you'll find many cars on the road with that much mileage that aren't ready for the scrap heap, except for maybe some diesel 4WD's

well, i would consider my car a rolling pile of steaming dog turd if i didnt get 300,000 km out of it.

i'd consider it just broken in at that figure

you can consider whatever you want with your car. That doesn't change the fact that there are not many cars out there with 300 000ks

My wife does less than 15 k a year, she buys a new one after 60k at most.

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Reply #58 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:42pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:13pm:

gordon

Mitsubishi is poised to introduce Australia’s first 10-year warranty – the longest coverage offered by a car-maker locally, and double the length of time offered by most rivals.

The warranty is set to increase from five or seven years currently offered on selected models, to 10 years coverage across the entire range from October 2020.

However, the extended coverage only applies to vehicles serviced within the Mitsubishi dealer network using the company’s fixed-price service program.

so there goes the "you can go to your own mechanic " lie

10-year/100,000-mile Powertrain Limited Warranty—This warranty covers repairs or replacements of powertrain parts and related components, including the engine, transaxle/transmission, and transfer case.

so....

its only covering the engine and tranny
and its only good for 160,000 km.

i rack up 160,000 km in about 4 years.

so a 10 year warranty Roll Eyes

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i'd rather spend a hundred bucks on good oil and filters and do it much more frequently and see if i can get 500,000 km out of a vehicle (which you can if you service it properly).

Yes, is quite achievable.
Put an auto fluid radiator on it, change the fluids oftenish, drive it smoothly, lots of highway kms.
Quite achievable

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Re: Price of used carrs
Reply #59 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:42pm

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:35pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:26pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 7:23pm:

you arent going to get 300,000 km out of that car.

they're not trying to get 300 000ks with that car.

I doubt you'll find many cars on the road with that much mileage that aren't ready for the scrap heap, except for maybe some diesel 4WD's

well, i would consider my car a rolling pile of steaming dog turd if i didnt get 300,000 km out of it.

i'd consider it just broken in at that figure

you can consider whatever you want with your car. That doesn't change the fact that there are not many cars out there with 300 000ks

My wife does less than 15 k a year, she buys a new one after 60k at most.

anything over 200 000k's and you'll have to practically give it away to sell it... 300 000 ks and your only buyer will be a scrap metal yard who might give you $100 for it

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