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Reply #30 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 2:25pm

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 2:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 11:31am:

Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing

How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme

Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks
But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all

There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement
And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty

Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years

And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years

The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant

Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years
And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years

Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift

Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years

Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton

Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam

It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft

But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want
If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall

what a load of tripe, never heard of all cars getting "catastrophic failures" as soon as the warranty is finished, if they did then there would be no used cars on the market you tool. If i listened to idiots like you id go broke, you have zero business sense.

But he can milk a cow with both hands tied behind his back.

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Reply #31 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 2:37pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 2:25pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 2:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 11:31am:

Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing

How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme

Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks
But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all

There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement
And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty

Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years

And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years

The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant

Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years
And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years

Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift

Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years

Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton

Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam

It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft

But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want
If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall

what a load of tripe, never heard of all cars getting "catastrophic failures" as soon as the warranty is finished, if they did then there would be no used cars on the market you tool. If i listened to idiots like you id go broke, you have zero business sense.

But he can milk a cow with both hands tied behind his back.

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Reply #32 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 3:34pm

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 2:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 11:31am:

Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing

How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme

Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks
But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all

There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement
And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty

Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years

And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years

The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant

Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years
And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years

Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift

Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years

Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton

Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam

It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft

But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want
If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall

what a load of tripe, never heard of all cars getting "catastrophic failures" as soon as the warranty is finished, if they did then there would be no used cars on the market you tool. If i listened to idiots like you id go broke, you have zero business sense.

really

and do you believe it is in the financial interest of automakers to have a vibrant used car market (where they make zero dollars) or a market where everyone has to go back to the manufacturer and buy a new vehicle .

i think it may be rhino who has zero business sense Grin

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Price of used carrs Reply #33 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 3:48pm You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other.
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aquascoot Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 37908 Gender:	Re: Price of used carrs Reply #34 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:08pm rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 3:48pm: You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other. thats usually what john smith says when i beat him with a logical argument
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Reply #35 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:19pm

I know a guy owns a Toyota dealership ... According to him, they make the money on servicing rather than sales. And he averages about 50 new car sales a month so it's not like he's not selling any.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:08pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 3:48pm:

You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other.

thats usually what john smith says when i beat him with a logical argument Grin

It's not like I'm some sort of magician who uses magic powers to spot your stupidity ... it's blatantly obvious to everyone that you often comment on things you have no idea about.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Price of used carrs Reply #36 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:21pm rhino wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:54pm: yes , I dont find their prices unreasonable, they are competitive. they're a rip off .. Last year I was quoted $1700 to change the brakes on a van I used to own. My regular mechanic ended up doing them for $450
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Reply #37 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:03pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:19pm:

I know a guy owns a Toyota dealership ... According to him, they make the money on servicing rather than sales. And he averages about 50 new car sales a month so it's not like he's not selling any.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:08pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 3:48pm:

You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other.

thats usually what john smith says when i beat him with a logical argument Grin

It's not like I'm some sort of magician who uses magic powers to spot your stupidity ... it's blatantly obvious to everyone that you often comment on things you have no idea about.

thanks for agreeing with me.

now convince rhino that service departments are money making ventures Grin

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Reply #38 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:13pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 11:31am:

Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing

How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme

Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks
But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all

There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement
And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty

Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years

And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years

The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant

Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years
And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years

Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift

Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years

Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton

Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam

It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft

But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want
If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall

Some of the new coolants are good for 100,000 kms I believe, or 7 years.

Someone told me with the new coolants replacing hoses are a thing of the past. They never have to be replaced now

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Reply #39 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:33pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:19pm:

I know a guy owns a Toyota dealership ... According to him, they make the money on servicing rather than sales. And he averages about 50 new car sales a month so it's not like he's not selling any.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:08pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 3:48pm:

You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other.

thats usually what john smith says when i beat him with a logical argument Grin

It's not like I'm some sort of magician who uses magic powers to spot your stupidity ... it's blatantly obvious to everyone that you often comment on things you have no idea about.

thanks for agreeing with me.

now convince rhino that service departments are money making ventures Grin

Everything is a money making venture you tool, we live in a capitalist society. As I pointed out to you it is not necassary to take your car to the dealer for book services. What sort of idiot buys a new car and then totally destroys the value by not doing the book services. Oh, wait. we know what sort of idiot.

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Reply #40 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:34pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:21pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:54pm:

yes , I dont find their prices unreasonable, they are competitive.

they're a rip off .. Last year I was quoted $1700 to change the brakes on a van I used to own. My regular mechanic ended up doing them for $450

Thats not a warranty service on a new car which is what the subject is.

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Reply #41 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:37pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:08pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 3:48pm:

You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other.

thats usually what john smith says when i beat him with a logical argument Grin

how is it logical to not spend $2000 to gain over $10,000? get checked mate, really.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Price of used carrs Reply #42 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:40pm rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 2:37pm: Quote: But he can milk a cow with both hands tied behind his back. It's true... He sent us a clip of it... (viewer discretion is advised).
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Reply #43 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 6:39pm

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:33pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:19pm:

I know a guy owns a Toyota dealership ... According to him, they make the money on servicing rather than sales. And he averages about 50 new car sales a month so it's not like he's not selling any.

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 4:08pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 3:48pm:

You are dismissed as a know nothing idiot. Stick to watching horses root each other.

thats usually what john smith says when i beat him with a logical argument Grin

It's not like I'm some sort of magician who uses magic powers to spot your stupidity ... it's blatantly obvious to everyone that you often comment on things you have no idea about.

thanks for agreeing with me.

now convince rhino that service departments are money making ventures Grin

Everything is a money making venture you tool, we live in a capitalist society. As I pointed out to you it is not necassary to take your car to the dealer for book services. What sort of idiot buys a new car and then totally destroys the value by not doing the book services. Oh, wait. we know what sort of idiot.

christ, your stupidity is worse then i thought.

i am saying you should service your car waaaaaay moooore then the manufacturers say because they want the dammed thing to die ASAP.

and i'm saying the way they make money off their fixed price servicing is by doing bugger all at the services

seriously, i cant accept anymore white flags from you, my garage is full of them and i cant get to the car to change the oil every 7,500km (thats probably stretched out to 20,000 by those "built in redundancy " manufacturers ) Grin

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Reply #44 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 6:42pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 5:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 11:31am:

Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing

How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme

Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks
But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all

There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement
And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty

Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years

And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years

The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant

Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years
And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years

Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift

Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years

Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton

Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam

It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft

But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want
If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall

Some of the new coolants are good for 100,000 kms I believe, or 7 years.

Someone told me with the new coolants replacing hoses are a thing of the past. They never have to be replaced now

sprint, coolant is cheap.
when coolant gets dirty (which it certainly does by 7 years) the suspended grit eats away at your head gasket.

blow the head and its bye bye car.

why not spend 100 bucks every 3 years and change it

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