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Reply #15 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:37pm

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:14pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:00pm:

But if it's only 5 years old and the compression is down
then it's a good bet that it's been thrashed.

Are we going to take into account mileage? The type of use the engine is put to? Running time/travelled miles?

It's a 5 year old car.
If it's been towing a caravan and has high miles then
sure it will have low compression and
I wouldn't pay $26,490 for it.
In fact I wouldn't buy it at a much lower price.

I could sell you my VR SS Commodore for half of that. Never towed a caravan. Original 217KKs. It would tow your caravan no probs.

My old car has less kms than that. Grin

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Reply #16 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:39pm

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 7:21pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 6:53pm:

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

The price of used cars has risen due to the unavailability of new cars. Some waiting list are months long, some 12 months.

Do you think these prices will decline soon?

When the car makers can buy enough silicon fabrication. Chip makers can't keep up because car makers thought there would be a downturn in new sales due to covid and reduced their chip requirements but they were wrong, the silicon plants had thus since moved on to other chips they were contracted to make like NVidia chips which are also in extreme demand due to crypto mining. This might all take a couple of years to fully work out but there are, I believe, new silicon factories being built. Perhaps Biden might buy into it in his push to keep the US at the top of the IT ladder. This is what can happen when an industry relies on JIT manufacturing and one of the providers, can't supply.

good post chu.

but its also the fact that aussies normally spend 65 billion a year on overseas travel and now that is being spent on cars, caravans , boats and tractors Wink

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higher demand = higher prices.

toyota and mazda (who collaborate quite a lot) and honda are solvent companies and dont have to cut corners.

nissan and gm have had to get injections of capital from fiat and renault and then you have land rover and peugot and all the struggling brands trying to team up and it just becomes a bit of a catastrophe.

you would not be advised to buy a car made by any of the above listed companies.

stick to toyota, honda and mazda in my books.
you wont go far wrong.

learn how to change oil, the 3 filters, transmission fluid , coolant and do those things REGULARLY.
even more regularly then the service recommends

and dont go to a dealer.

they employ pimply faced , dope smoking 17 yo numpties.

learn to do it yourself.

all the info is on youtube.

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Reply #17 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 9:05pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:39pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 7:21pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 6:53pm:

lee wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 6:48pm:

The price of used cars has risen due to the unavailability of new cars. Some waiting list are months long, some 12 months.

Do you think these prices will decline soon?

When the car makers can buy enough silicon fabrication. Chip makers can't keep up because car makers thought there would be a downturn in new sales due to covid and reduced their chip requirements but they were wrong, the silicon plants had thus since moved on to other chips they were contracted to make like NVidia chips which are also in extreme demand due to crypto mining. This might all take a couple of years to fully work out but there are, I believe, new silicon factories being built. Perhaps Biden might buy into it in his push to keep the US at the top of the IT ladder. This is what can happen when an industry relies on JIT manufacturing and one of the providers, can't supply.

good post chu.

but its also the fact that aussies normally spend 65 billion a year on overseas travel and now that is being spent on cars, caravans , boats and tractors Wink

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higher demand = higher prices.

toyota and mazda (who collaborate quite a lot) and honda are solvent companies and dont have to cut corners.

nissan and gm have had to get injections of capital from fiat and renault and then you have land rover and peugot and all the struggling brands trying to team up and it just becomes a bit of a catastrophe.

you would not be advised to buy a car made by any of the above listed companies.

stick to toyota, honda and mazda in my books.
you wont go far wrong.

learn how to change oil, the 3 filters, transmission fluid , coolant and do those things REGULARLY.
even more regularly then the service recommends

and dont go to a dealer.

they employ pimply faced , dope smoking 17 yo numpties.

learn to do it yourself.

all the info is on youtube.

yeah , and void the warranty.

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Reply #18 - Jun 14^th, 2021 at 5:59pm

warranties are designed to extract maximal cash out of numpties.

they KNOW how long a compnent will last and adjust warranties accordingly.

if you get a 5 year warranty, the transmission (which is sealed in many cases as a "lifetime unit") will die at 7 years.

then its 9 grand for a new tranny on a car worth 10, so you junk it and buy another.

good business model for businesses dealing with numpties.

the dealers make 1/2 if not more of their profits doing the regular services.

i have never taken a car back to a dealer for a service and the only routine thing you cant do is a timing belt , so take that to your own mechanic or , better still, buy a car with a timing chain and never ever ever pay for some pimply faced , pothead apprenctice to lay a finger on your car

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Re: Price of used cars
Reply #19 - Jun 14^th, 2021 at 6:03pm

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:14pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:00pm:

But if it's only 5 years old and the compression is down
then it's a good bet that it's been thrashed.

Are we going to take into account mileage? The type of use the engine is put to? Running time/travelled miles?

It's a 5 year old car.
If it's been towing a caravan and has high miles then
sure it will have low compression and
I wouldn't pay $26,490 for it.
In fact I wouldn't buy it at a much lower price.

I could sell you my VR SS Commodore for half of that. Never towed a caravan. Original 217KKs. It would tow your caravan no probs.

You might want to hang onto that. Prices on some Commodores are going nuts.

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Re: Price of used cars
Reply #22 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 8:46pm

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:01pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:00pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 7:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 7:40pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 3:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 10:08am:

The link is here:
https://www.caradvice.com.au/448181/2016-toyota-camry-pricing-and-specifications...

The Altise is very popular -
they have an excellent reliability so the price is high.

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Pricing for the 2016 Toyota Camry starts at $26,490 plus on-road costs for the base petrol-powered Altise

Still sounds like an awful lot for a 5 year old used car.
How do you know that the previous owner didn't
thrash the guts out of it?

I don't.

That's right so be careful.
Does the RACV do compression tests when they test a car for you?
That will tell if the engine has been thrashed - low compression.

It won't tell you that at all. It will tell you how close to spec the compression ratio is. If compression is low on all cyls it would indicate worn rings/possibly bore. Low compression on one cyl can indicate valve or head problems. Reasonably variance but low compression across cyls would just be old age, worn pistons/rings/bore all around.

But if it's only 5 years old and the compression is down
then it's a good bet that it's been thrashed.

Are we going to take into account mileage? The type of use the engine is put to? Running time/travelled miles?

By type of use, do you mean whether it has been thrashed?

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Reply #23 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:13pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 5:59pm:

warranties are designed to extract maximal cash out of numpties.

they KNOW how long a compnent will last and adjust warranties accordingly.

if you get a 5 year warranty, the transmission (which is sealed in many cases as a "lifetime unit") will die at 7 years.

then its 9 grand for a new tranny on a car worth 10, so you junk it and buy another.

good business model for businesses dealing with numpties.

the dealers make 1/2 if not more of their profits doing the regular services.

i have never taken a car back to a dealer for a service and the only routine thing you cant do is a timing belt , so take that to your own mechanic or , better still, buy a car with a timing chain and never ever ever pay for some pimply faced , pothead apprenctice to lay a finger on your car

Warranty services on my wifes car cost me about 500 bucks a year. You dont need to take the car back to the dealer services , any qualified mechanic can do them. I upgrade her car every 4 years or so, try selling at a reasonable price if you dont have the service details filled out and stamped. Cost me about $2000 max over 4 years, they could cost me $10,000 on resale, no brainer as to cost effectiveness. Different if you want to keep the car forever, Id still do the book services though for the warranty period, cheap insurance. My utes different, I do everything myself, 15 years old and runs like brand new. But new cars, nah, get the book services done, no brainer that one. 60,000 on a car is a significant enough investment I pay an extra couple of grand for services that have to be done anyway.

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Reply #24 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:17pm

rhino wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 5:59pm:

warranties are designed to extract maximal cash out of numpties.

they KNOW how long a compnent will last and adjust warranties accordingly.

if you get a 5 year warranty, the transmission (which is sealed in many cases as a "lifetime unit") will die at 7 years.

then its 9 grand for a new tranny on a car worth 10, so you junk it and buy another.

good business model for businesses dealing with numpties.

the dealers make 1/2 if not more of their profits doing the regular services.

i have never taken a car back to a dealer for a service and the only routine thing you cant do is a timing belt , so take that to your own mechanic or , better still, buy a car with a timing chain and never ever ever pay for some pimply faced , pothead apprenctice to lay a finger on your car

Warranty services on my wifes car cost me about 500 bucks a year. You dont need to take the car back to the dealer services , any qualified mechanic can do them. I upgrade her car every 4 years or so, try selling at a reasonable price if you dont have the service details filled out and stamped. Cost me about $2000 max over 4 years, they could cost me $10,000 on resale, no brainer as to cost effectiveness. Different if you want to keep the car forever, Id still do the book services though for the warranty period, cheap insurance. My utes different, I do everything myself, 15 years old and runs like brand new. But new cars, nah, get the book services done, no brainer that one. 60,000 on a car is a significant enough investment I pay an extra couple of grand for services that have to be done anyway.

Not much choice anyway, most cars are sold with capped price servicing for the warranty period, which is cheaper than Indys.

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Reply #25 - Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:54pm

Gordon wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:17pm:

rhino wrote on Jun 15^th, 2021 at 9:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2021 at 5:59pm:

warranties are designed to extract maximal cash out of numpties.

they KNOW how long a compnent will last and adjust warranties accordingly.

if you get a 5 year warranty, the transmission (which is sealed in many cases as a "lifetime unit") will die at 7 years.

then its 9 grand for a new tranny on a car worth 10, so you junk it and buy another.

good business model for businesses dealing with numpties.

the dealers make 1/2 if not more of their profits doing the regular services.

i have never taken a car back to a dealer for a service and the only routine thing you cant do is a timing belt , so take that to your own mechanic or , better still, buy a car with a timing chain and never ever ever pay for some pimply faced , pothead apprenctice to lay a finger on your car

Warranty services on my wifes car cost me about 500 bucks a year. You dont need to take the car back to the dealer services , any qualified mechanic can do them. I upgrade her car every 4 years or so, try selling at a reasonable price if you dont have the service details filled out and stamped. Cost me about $2000 max over 4 years, they could cost me $10,000 on resale, no brainer as to cost effectiveness. Different if you want to keep the car forever, Id still do the book services though for the warranty period, cheap insurance. My utes different, I do everything myself, 15 years old and runs like brand new. But new cars, nah, get the book services done, no brainer that one. 60,000 on a car is a significant enough investment I pay an extra couple of grand for services that have to be done anyway.

Not much choice anyway, most cars are sold with capped price servicing for the warranty period, which is cheaper than Indys.

yes , I dont find their prices unreasonable, they are competitive.

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Reply #26 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 11:31am

Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing

How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme

Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks
But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all

There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement
And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty

Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years

And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years

The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant

Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years
And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years

Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift

Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years

Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton

Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam

It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft

But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want
If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall

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Reply #29 - Jun 16^th, 2021 at 2:18pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2021 at 11:31am:

Let's think about the economic model of dealership run capped price servicing

How can the manufacturers and dealers maximise profits of this scheme

Firstly let's say you know a transmission will last 15 years if you change the transmission oil every 60000 ks
But will only last 6 years if you don't change it at all

There is no financial incentive to ever change it and it probably won't be changed under a capped price servicing arrangement
And you can deal with the catastrophic failure when the vehicle is outside of its warranty

Let's say you know that a replacement of the radiator coolant will make the radiator head gasket water pump less liable to wear and will enable these components to last 15 years

And let's say you have a 5 year fixed price servicing and know that with no replacement of coolant these components for last for 6 years

The dealer and manufacturer will maximize profits by not replacing the coolant

Let's say that you know that replacing the power steering fluid will enable the vehicle power steering rack to last 15 years
And not replacing it will see a catastrophic failure at 6 years

Well I could go on but I hope you get my drift

Fixed price servicing is an absolute catastrophe and you would be a brain dead numpty to ever sign up for 1 assuming you want your vehicle to last more than 5 years

Mitsubishi recently bought out a 10 year fixed price servicing regime for their Triton

Why do you think companies trying to make a profit would be interested in that sort of scam

It probably covers nothing other than the pistons cylinders and drive shaft

But hay you go ahead and sign up if you want
If you're the sort of person who likes pissing your money up against the wall

what a load of tripe, never heard of all cars getting "catastrophic failures" as soon as the warranty is finished, if they did then there would be no used cars on the market you tool. If i listened to idiots like you id go broke, you have zero business sense.

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