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Jun 9th, 2021 at 7:56am
 
NSW Productivity Commission slammed for recommending nuclear power while ignoring offshore wind   Sad
Published: 3 Jun 2021
Maritime Union Of Australia.

The NSW Productivity Commission is under fire for recommending the NSW Government lift the state’s ban on nuclear power while ignoring proven, lower-cost renewable energy sources such as offshore wind.

Among 60 recommendations aimed at driving productivity and economic growth, the NSW Productivity Commission White Paper released this week proposed the ban on nuclear generation be lifted for small modular reactors.

The same report made no mention of offshore wind generation, despite the proven technology producing a growing share of electricity around the world and several major proposals awaiting approval off the NSW coast.

This is despite the CSIRO’s most recent report on electricity generation costs showing that SMR nuclear reactors cost approximately $16,000 per kilowatt, nearly three times offshore wind. Recent UK analysis has found the cost of developing offshore wind is even lower.

The Maritime Union of Australia said it was staggering that the NSW Productivity Commission would recommend resources be thrown into small modular nuclear reactors — a technology that doesn’t yet exist — instead of cheaper, cleaner, proven technologies like offshore wind.

“It is unbelievable that the NSW Productivity Commission would propose a major regulatory overhaul for a theoretical technology that doesn’t operate anywhere on earth, yet not even mention one of the fastest growing forms of energy generation,” MUA Deputy National Secretary Warren Smith said.

“Rather than waste years debating a theoretical technology, which will come with huge costs and substantial safety concerns, the NSW Government should be getting on with supporting the development of reliable, cheap, and plentiful offshore wind resources.

“The NSW Productivity Commission’s focus on an industry that doesn’t even exist, while ignoring a proven technology that can deliver power and jobs for NSW right now, shows an ideological pro-nuclear agenda has been put ahead of the state’s economic interests.   Sad

“Small nuclear reactors have been promised for half a century, but as yet not one exists. Most countries with nuclear power are moving away from the technology, with new reactors running hugely over budget, requiring massive taxpayer subsidies, and locking in higher power prices for consumers.



“In contrast, offshore wind technology continues to mature, delivering massive growth at ever-lower prices.

“Australia has the advantage of long coastlines close to population centres, along with highly skilled seafarers and offshore oil and gas workers who could be utilised to construct local wind projects.

“The development of an offshore wind industry would also provide an opportunity to transition highly-skilled workers from fossil fuel industries into a clean, green alternative.

“With the urgent need to reduce carbon emissions to address global heating, it’s absurd that the NSW Productivity Commission would suggest sitting on our hands for a decade in the hope a theoretical technology will magically fix the problem when we already have solutions available.

“NSW has an opportunity to become a major exporter of clean, renewable energy, securing our economy for the future, but only if the Berejiklian Government takes immediate steps to support proven technologies.”
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Reply #1 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 10:43am
 
Wind and solar are limited sources of energy.

I'm not in favour of nuclear for safety reasons.
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Reply #2 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 10:55am
 
Wind and solar are not only inefficient on anything other than a small scale, but are an environmental disaster. Nuclear power on the other hand is efficient, safe and much better for the environment.
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Reply #3 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 12:26pm
 
Gordon Hughes, a professor of economics at the University of Edinburgh, has weighed into the net zero debate with an analysis of offshore wind farm performance using the figures the farms are required to report rather than their public statements, to find that further investment in the sector will result in major increases in costs, not decreases as the government expects. But like much else in the net zero debate, this analysis, and Professor Hughes’ forecast that the UK government will be forced into a series of bailouts of these farms, has been brushed aside.

http://www.windaction.org/posts/49259-the-performance-of-wind-farms-in-the-unite...


Another report produced by the IEA in May, The Role of Critical Minerals in Clean Energy Transitions, is even less reassuring as it points out that wind farms, photovoltaic panels and batteries require a great deal more of materials that previously filled production niches, such as nickel, rare earths, manganese and chromium. Depending on the material, the report notes, the required mines may take up to two decades to develop.

The Australian government has at least had the sense to ignore activist reassurances that more conventional fossil plants are not needed by deciding to build a $600 million, 660 megawatt gas plant in the Upper Hunter valley.

The initial spark for the gas plant decision was an announcement in March by Energy Australia, owner of the Yallourn 1,480 MW brown coal plant in Victoria, that the plant will now close in 2028, or in just seven years time, rather than the previously expected 2032. The disappearance of what amounts to 20 per cent of the state’s power supply follows the closure of Hazelwood, with a rated capacity of 1,600 MW in 2017.

With so much capacity vanishing from the grid everyone can agree that wind farms, solar plants, PV panels on house roofs plus a battery here and there are just not going to cut it, and never mind all the talk about net zero emissions.https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/06/bizarre-fantasies-of-reaching-net-zero/


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Reply #4 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 12:29pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 10:55am:
Wind and solar are not only inefficient on anything other than a small scale, but are an environmental disaster. Nuclear power on the other hand is efficient, safe and much better for the environment.

(Not to mention submarines.... but Australia will buy French nuclear submarines and retrofit them with....er .... diesel engines. .)


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Reply #5 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 12:30pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 10:55am:
Nuclear power on the other hand is efficient, safe and much better for the environment.

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you must be on drugs
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Reply #6 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 12:41pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 12:30pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 10:55am:
Nuclear power on the other hand is efficient, safe and much better for the environment.

Shocked Shocked

you must be on drugs



Lancet study:


The provision of electricity has been a great benefit to society, particularly in health terms, but it also carries health costs. Comparison of different forms of commercial power generation by use of the fuel cycle methods developed in European studies shows the health burdens to be greatest for power stations that most pollute outdoor air (those based on lignite, coal, and oil). The health burdens are appreciably smaller for generation from natural gas, and lower still for nuclear power. This same ranking also applies in terms of greenhouse-gas emissions and thus, potentially, to long-term health, social, and economic effects arising from climate change.

https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(07)61253-7/fulltext

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelshellenberger/2018/06/11/if-nuclear-power-is-so-safe-why-are-we-so-afraid-of-it/?sh=47033f5f6385


Follow the science, Gino, not your nose.
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Reply #7 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 3:54pm
 
I see the Luddites are very disturbed by the thought of nuclear power. They have no idea of how a reactor works or the way waste is handled. Instead they believe that "renewables" (that is a marketing term, not a scientific or engineering one BTW) are some sort of magic where you can get something for nothing, ignoring the inefficiency and real environmental cost of these sources.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #8 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 3:59pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 12:41pm:
Follow the science, Gino, not your nose.



what  does the science say about Chernobyl or Fukushima?
What does the science say about the cost of storing and securing the waste for the next 10 000 years?
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Reply #9 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 4:34pm
 
YJohn Smith wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 3:59pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 12:41pm:
Follow the science, Gino, not your nose.



what  does the science say about Chernobyl or Fukushima?
What does the science say about the cost of storing and securing the waste for the next 10 000 years?



How did we go from the glamour of nuclear power in the 1950s to the fears that surround the technology today?  The most common answer to this question is that the nuclear accidents at Three Mile Island, Chernobyl and Fukushima frightened people.

And yet the accidents proved the relative safety, not relative danger, of nuclear energy. Nobody died from radiation at Three Mile Island or Fukushima, and fewer than 50 died died from Chernobyl in the 30 years since the accident.

How, then, did everyone come to see those nuclear accidents as so catastrophic?  The answer is because of how governments responded to them. Instead of encouraging the public to stay calm and carry on, governments freaked out, and evacuated hundreds of thousands of people.

“Between five and ten times too many people were moved away from the Chernobyl area between 1986 and 1990,” a team of top scientists wrote last week in the peer-reviewed journal, Process Safety and Environmental Protection.

As for the 2011 nuclear accident in Japan, the scientists said they found “it difficult to justify moving anyone away from Fukushima Daiichi on grounds of radiological protection.”

In other words, it was the over-reaction to the accidents — not the accidents themselves — that resulted in popular fears of the technology.


(From my Forbes link earlier)


See also https://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2017/11/21/why-i-changed-my-mind-abou...



Chernobyl was also a mainly  soviet socialist catastrophy, with the usual cover-up, obfuscation and commie lies.  Like we see with the Chinese commies now about the Chinese flu.

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Reply #10 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 8:10pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 4:34pm:
And yet the accidents proved the relative safety, not relative danger, of nuclear energy. Nobody died from radiation at Three Mile Island or Fukushima, and fewer than 50 died died from Chernobyl in the 30 years since the accident.



how typical to try and hide the truth by just looking at immediate deaths attributable to Chernobyl. People still die today from health issues they've suffered for the last 40 yrs due to Chernobyl ... but that'll never be attributed to Chernobyl. Neither have any of those thousands that have died since Chernobyl because of long term effects.

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Reply #11 - Jun 12th, 2021 at 10:53pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 8:10pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 4:34pm:
And yet the accidents proved the relative safety, not relative danger, of nuclear energy. Nobody died from radiation at Three Mile Island or Fukushima, and fewer than 50 died died from Chernobyl in the 30 years since the accident.



how typical to try and hide the truth by just looking at immediate deaths attributable to Chernobyl. People still die today from health issues they've suffered for the last 40 yrs due to Chernobyl ... but that'll never be attributed to Chernobyl. Neither have any of those thousands that have died since Chernobyl because of long term effects.


I referenced my source. You don't  accept it. Reference the basis of your refutation.

Otherwise it's  your nose versus science.

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Reply #12 - Jun 13th, 2021 at 10:54am
 
Frank wrote on Jun 12th, 2021 at 10:53pm:
I referenced my source. You don't  accept it. Reference the basis of your refutation.

Otherwise it's  your nose versus science.



Don't go confusing him with facts
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