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Reply #15 - Jun 12^th, 2021 at 3:51pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2021 at 3:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 12^th, 2021 at 3:16pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2021 at 3:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 12^th, 2021 at 3:06pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2021 at 3:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 12^th, 2021 at 3:01pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 12^th, 2021 at 2:25pm:

And a lousy economist

it doesn't take a good economist to thrive when you're faced with trade sanctions against you.......... it takes a miracle.

No, it takes a skilled diplomat.

rubbish. No diplomat would change a thing. The only thing that would change the sanctions would be if they started giving in to the yanks.

What does diplomacy mean to you?

It certainly doesn't mean giving in to the yanks.

OK... That's what you think it isn't... What do you think it is?

It is many things. .. one of the many roles of a diplomat involves arse kissing

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: Cuba and the end of the Castro Dynasty Reply #16 - Jun 12^th, 2021 at 3:53pm ..., palm-greasing, rolling-over, prostituting, ..
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Reply #18 - Jun 12^th, 2021 at 4:36pm

Diplomacy of two-fingers and gun-boats may sell barley to China for Scomo, who is standing up for WTO principles. The US gave WTO two-fingers about Cuban trade and says Australia is doing it the right way to China. Trump shafted Cuba until Biden got diplomatic to the same Raul Castro and ended the embargo. French was the language of diplomacy but now double-Dutch is used.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 44684	Re: Cuba and the end of the Castro Dynasty Reply #19 - Jun 12^th, 2021 at 5:44pm Double-Dutch has always been used by diplomats.
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Reply #20 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:20am

chimera wrote on Jun 12^th, 2021 at 3:53pm:

..., palm-greasing, rolling-over, prostituting, ..

Yes... Unfortunately that was the pit into which Fidel Castro fell when he surrendered himself and his country to the ambitions of the Soviet Union under Khrushchev.

Castro's ego and his 'How-Hard-Can-It-Be-ism' regarding diplomacy on an international scale, led Castro to be seduced by Khrushchev's and his politburo's flattery which effectively sealed Cuba's fate; the nadir being his allowing the Soviet Union to send nuclear missiles to the island.

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Reply #22 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 9:19am

The United States first deployed nuclear weapons on Turkish soil in 1959. President John F. Kennedy used them as bargaining chips to end the Cuban missile crisis in 1962, agreeing to withdraw nuclear-armed Jupiter missiles from Turkey in exchange for the removal of Soviet nuclear weapons in Cuba. As part of NATO's nuclear umbrella, Turkey continues to host approximately 50 U.S. tactical nuclear weapons on its territory at Incirlik Air Base. Since U.S. President Joe Biden's election, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been making diplomatic overtures to the West.

US economy 21.43 trillion USD, Russia 1.7 trillion USD , Cuba .1 trillion USD.( *USD United States diplomacy).

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Reply #23 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 9:22am

chimera wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 9:19am:

The United States first deployed nuclear weapons on Turkish soil in 1959. President John F. Kennedy used them as bargaining chips to end the Cuban missile crisis in 1962, agreeing to withdraw nuclear-armed Jupiter missiles from Turkey in exchange for the removal of Soviet nuclear weapons in Cuba. As part of NATO's nuclear umbrella, Turkey continues to host approximately 50 U.S. tactical nuclear weapons on its territory at Incirlik Air Base. Since U.S. President Joe Biden's election, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been making diplomatic overtures to the West.

US economy 21.43 trillion USD, Russia 1.7 trillion USD , Cuba .1 trillion USD.( *USD United States diplomacy).

Yes... And the cost to Cuba for Castro's diplomatic naivete?

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: Cuba and the end of the Castro Dynasty Reply #24 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 9:54am 62 years in Bahía de Guantánamo.
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Re: Cuba and the end of the Castro Dynasty
Reply #25 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 10:55am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 8:20am:

chimera wrote on Jun 12^th, 2021 at 3:53pm:

..., palm-greasing, rolling-over, prostituting, ..

Yes... Unfortunately that was the pit into which Fidel Castro fell when he surrendered himself and his country to the ambitions of the Soviet Union under Khrushchev.

Castro's ego and his 'How-Hard-Can-It-Be-ism' regarding diplomacy on an international scale, led Castro to be seduced by Khrushchev's and his politburo's flattery which effectively sealed Cuba's fate; the nadir being his allowing the Soviet Union to send nuclear missiles to the island.

Not to mention the blockade.

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Reply #26 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 11:38am

I welcome a more Liberal Cuba, but while the Castro government did things that we may not approve of, their socialist policies did improve the lot of Cuban workers who had been little more than serfs under Batista and previous dictatorships. After the revolution, the tiny middle class ran away to Miami and became far more vocal than their numbers justified when the Florida demographic was enlarged with immigrants from all over Latin America, including large numbers from the criminal underworld. These thugs hated the Castros because the Castros knew how to deal with them. But to bemoan the Cuban economy today, is to ignore how corrupt and inefficient it was before the revolution.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: Cuba and the end of the Castro Dynasty Reply #27 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 1:11pm America's United Fruit Company and Chiquita went bananas, untaxed and terrorist for Liberty, Justice and the American Way. God Bless the Bay of Pigs.
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Reply #28 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 1:46pm

issuevoter wrote on Jun 13^th, 2021 at 11:38am:

But to bemoan the Cuban economy today, is to ignore how corrupt and inefficient it was before the revolution.

If we were to squeeze human history of even the last 2400 years into 24 hours, in terms of world history we are less than an hour away from having all been serfs ourselves.

To bemoan Cuba today is to commemorate what happens to a country when its leader's need for narcissistic supply, through the cult of personality, eclipses the greater good of the nation he claims to be saving.

When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, Cuba's economy collapsed with it and its people, almost overnight, returned to the serf-class they thought they had escaped.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: Cuba and the end of the Castro Dynasty Reply #29 - Jun 13^th, 2021 at 2:14pm 100 years? Serfing was brought to Australia in 1915 by Hawaiian Duke Kahanamoku. What happens to a country when Trump's need for narcissistic supply, through the cult of personality, eclipses the greater good of the nation he claims to be saving. So Cubans were not serfs 1959-1991? There's a thought.
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